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Topic: any questions from non-muslims ?
Posted: 23 March 2005 at 9:37am

Asalam Aalaikum

I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly.

Regards,

who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.

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Posted: 24 March 2005 at 9:44pm

As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin. I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell! As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God. My question is thus: It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity. I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots.

So God wills it. So be it. It is done.

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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 5:29am

The purpose of praying is not because God is insecure, He does not need our prayer for anything. Prayer is to glorify Him, to thank Him and to show respect and ask for whatever, and much more. The punishment is for those that don't pray...not praying is saying you're not thankfull and you don't believe etc.

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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 7:15am

God is your personal trainer. Just keep doing the exercises! What is more
important than a little quality time?

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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:06am

Originally posted by Laurie

As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin. I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell! As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God. My question is thus: It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity. I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots.

Asalam Aalaikum

First let me clear your misconception, God doesnot force us to pray and worship Him, He has just ordered his creation(human beings) to worship him and has given them freewill so that they can practice what they want to practice without any difficulty and may not have any chance of blaming and questioning Him.

God orders us to pray not because He is insecure and I donot find any rationality behind this assumption of yours. God orders us to pray because in prayer their is a key to success not only in the wordly life but also in the life hereafter. God orders us to pray because He
wants us to gain benefits that He has placed in prayer.

The Islamic method of prayer is very beneficial for both the spiritual and physical aspects of the body and this method of prayer can also be explained scientifically.

Their are more than 100000 angels that worship Him non-stop ,He is neither hungry for our prayer neither gains any benefits from our prayer, when he orders us to pray, He does that because He wants us to acheive success .

I hope it is clear.

If you have any further question on this topic, then please ask without any hesitation.
Regards,

who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.

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Posted: 26 March 2005 at 4:26am

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillahi ir rehman ir rahim,

The islamic concept is that Allah/God is free of all needs, whereas all that is besides Him is but, in need of Him.

Worshiping Allah is to express one's slavehood and servitude towards Him.

We ought to worship Him because He (and He alone) is worthy of worship.

As said in Surah Luqman (31:21) we bestowed (in the past) Wisdom on Luqman: "Show (thy) gratitude to Allah." Any who is (so) grateful does so to the profit of his own soul: but if any is ungrateful, verily Allah is free of all wants, Worthy of all praise.

We worship Him in a manner prescribed by Him, because He is worthy of worship in the best possible manner .... which only He could teach man - He who has taught man everything, that he knew not ...

Peace,

Nausheen

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.

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Posted: 29 March 2005 at 2:29pm

Originally posted by unity1

Asalam Aalaikum

I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly.

Regards,

aalaikum salem

blessings in Christ my lord

where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution?

where are the real enjeels?

sukran.

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Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:06am

hello?

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Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:42am

Originally posted by tawhid

[QUOTE=unity1]
aalaikum salem

blessings in Christ my lord

where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution?

where are the real enjeels?

sukran.

tawhid

W.A.S.

I have read that Darwinism was funded by Zionists.

You may want to research the Chaldean Councils of Nicea, where rabbinical scholars literally made up (frabicated) the myth of the Trinity. According to historical documents, it was there that they decided which books to include in the first Greek Septuigent "version" of the Bible, which books to leave out, and which parts of the remaining books to alter.

I would go into where you can find the Original "Lost Books", but it may be too hard to accept and I don't want to spark any debates on that subject.

Thank you.

Edited by blond

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Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:44am

I think, the answer to your question is related to the purpose of human beings on this earth. You must have heard the story of prophet adam and eve and their disobeidence to Allah's command on the seduction of satan. It is almost the same in Christianity as well in Islam uptill this point but not any more in the details after wards. So let me continue the Islamic version of it (Kindly let me know if you need its reference from Quran as I don't exactly remember the verse # etc at this moment; but surely can look up to it if needed). We believe that adam and eve were not sent on earth as a punishment for their sin but they were predestined for this place right from the very begining of human creation. Humans are all made of clay that belongs to this place (earth). However, when satan made his point to show Allah as how the humans are potentially liable in disobeying Him, Allah told both humans and the satan to go down to earth for a particular and limited time (before the day of judgement). He also told them that those who would follow His commands shall be blessed and rewarded after the day of judgement. But those who would continue to follow satan and would become one of his accomplices, shall be punished for their disobeidence. This is why the day is call the "day of judgement", when every human is accountable for his own deeds. Good or bad, he has to face the day and get reward/punishment for all his actions that he did on this earth while alive. I want to make this further clear, that both, adam and eve, repented for their sin and Allah forgives anyone who repent. So, in a true sense, this life of ours is a test, like we are in an examination center. The satan is continuing in his evil deeds especially to divert humans from obeying Allah, however, Allah has sent the prophets as guides and reminders to humans to serve Him and Him alone. Thus, all our prayers and rituals to please Allah are for our own benefit only. Of course, Allah doesn't need them but he does promise good rewards for those who remain obeident to Him and punishment for those who disobey Him in this life and Allah never breaks His promise. Hopefully this makes sense to do good deeds and remember Allah continueously till our life time is over (time's up guys, hand over the paper). Rest Allah knows the best. cheers!

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unity1 Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 116	Topic: any questions from non-muslims ? Posted: 23 March 2005 at 9:37am
	Asalam Aalaikum I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly. Regards,
	who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.
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Laurie Newbie Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 24 March 2005 at 9:44pm
	As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin. I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell! As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God. My question is thus: It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity. I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots.
	So God wills it. So be it. It is done.
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femme Newbie Joined: 21 March 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 9	Posted: 25 March 2005 at 5:29am
	The purpose of praying is not because God is insecure, He does not need our prayer for anything. Prayer is to glorify Him, to thank Him and to show respect and ask for whatever, and much more. The punishment is for those that don't pray...not praying is saying you're not thankfull and you don't believe etc.
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DavidC Senior Member Joined: 20 September 2001 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2211	Posted: 25 March 2005 at 7:15am
	God is your personal trainer. Just keep doing the exercises! What is more important than a little quality time? DavidC
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unity1 Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 116	Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:06am
	*Originally posted by Laurie* As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin. I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell! As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God. My question is thus: It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity. I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots. Asalam Aalaikum First let me clear your misconception, God doesnot force us to pray and worship Him, He has just ordered his creation(human beings) to worship him and has given them freewill so that they can practice what they want to practice without any difficulty and may not have any chance of blaming and questioning Him. God orders us to pray not because He is insecure and I donot find any rationality behind this assumption of yours. God orders us to pray because in prayer their is a key to success not only in the wordly life but also in the life hereafter. God orders us to pray because He wants us to gain benefits that He has placed in prayer. The Islamic method of prayer is very beneficial for both the spiritual and physical aspects of the body and this method of prayer can also be explained scientifically. Their are more than 100000 angels that worship Him non-stop ,He is neither hungry for our prayer neither gains any benefits from our prayer, when he orders us to pray, He does that because He wants us to acheive success . I hope it is clear. If you have any further question on this topic, then please ask without any hesitation. Regards,
	who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.
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Nausheen Female Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 10 January 2001 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 3806	Posted: 26 March 2005 at 4:26am
	*Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,* *Bismillahi ir rehman ir rahim,* The islamic concept is that Allah/God is free of all needs, whereas all that is besides Him is but, in need of Him. Worshiping Allah is to express one's slavehood and servitude towards Him. We ought to worship Him because He (and He alone) is worthy of worship. As said in Surah Luqman (31:21) we bestowed (in the past) Wisdom on Luqman: "Show (thy) gratitude to Allah." Any who is (so) grateful does so to the profit of his own soul: but if any is ungrateful, verily Allah is free of all wants, Worthy of all praise. We worship Him in a manner prescribed by Him, because He is worthy of worship in the best possible manner .... which only He could teach man - He who has taught man everything, that he knew not ... Peace, Nausheen
	Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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tawhid Groupie Joined: 28 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 62	Posted: 29 March 2005 at 2:29pm
	*Originally posted by unity1* Asalam Aalaikum I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly. Regards, aalaikum salem blessings in Christ my lord where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution? where are the real enjeels? sukran. tawhid
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tawhid Groupie Joined: 28 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 62	Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:06am
	hello?
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blond Senior Member Joined: 30 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 218	Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:42am
	*Originally posted by tawhid* [QUOTE=unity1] aalaikum salem blessings in Christ my lord where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution? where are the real enjeels? sukran. tawhid W.A.S. I have read that Darwinism was funded by Zionists. You may want to research the Chaldean Councils of Nicea, where rabbinical scholars literally made up (frabicated) the myth of the Trinity. According to historical documents, it was there that they decided which books to include in the first Greek Septuigent "version" of the Bible, which books to leave out, and which parts of the remaining books to alter. I would go into where you can find the Original "Lost Books", but it may be too hard to accept and I don't want to spark any debates on that subject. Thank you. Edited by blond
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AhmadJoyia Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 1157	Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:44am
	*Originally posted by Laurie* As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin. I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell! As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God. My question is thus: It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity. I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots. I think, the answer to your question is related to the purpose of human beings on this earth. You must have heard the story of prophet adam and eve and their disobeidence to Allah's command on the seduction of satan. It is almost the same in Christianity as well in Islam uptill this point but not any more in the details after wards. So let me continue the Islamic version of it (Kindly let me know if you need its reference from Quran as I don't exactly remember the verse # etc at this moment; but surely can look up to it if needed). We believe that adam and eve were not sent on earth as a punishment for their sin but they were predestined for this place right from the very begining of human creation. Humans are all made of clay that belongs to this place (earth). However, when satan made his point to show Allah as how the humans are potentially liable in disobeying Him, Allah told both humans and the satan to go down to earth for a particular and limited time (before the day of judgement). He also told them that those who would follow His commands shall be blessed and rewarded after the day of judgement. But those who would continue to follow satan and would become one of his accomplices, shall be punished for their disobeidence. This is why the day is call the "day of judgement", when every human is accountable for his own deeds. Good or bad, he has to face the day and get reward/punishment for all his actions that he did on this earth while alive. I want to make this further clear, that both, adam and eve, repented for their sin and Allah forgives anyone who repent. So, in a true sense, this life of ours is a test, like we are in an examination center. The satan is continuing in his evil deeds especially to divert humans from obeying Allah, however, Allah has sent the prophets as guides and reminders to humans to serve Him and Him alone. Thus, all our prayers and rituals to please Allah are for our own benefit only. Of course, Allah doesn't need them but he does promise good rewards for those who remain obeident to Him and punishment for those who disobey Him in this life and Allah never breaks His promise. Hopefully this makes sense to do good deeds and remember Allah continueously till our life time is over (time's up guys, hand over the paper). Rest Allah knows the best. cheers!
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