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Posted: 14 April 2005 at 12:59am

"Agree Kim, however many times the feminism activist they are not balance, the very obvious example when France muslim women were banned to wear hijab, they do nothing. Where are they? This is also women's right."

Are you _sure_ they said nothing? Accorind to the news we get over here, Muslim women and girls protested a LOT and very loudly!

I can understand both sides of the arguement - on one hand everyone should be free to wear what they want, but on the other hand it sounds like French schools have been having a lot of trouble to deal with in recent years with students protesting about people wearing more modern clothes.

But I think the french have taken it too far and should have dealt with the problem in a different way somehow.

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Posted: 14 April 2005 at 9:50am

Originally posted by kim!

Are you _sure_ they said nothing? Accorind to the news we get over here, Muslim women and girls protested a LOT and very loudly!

Yes you are right, many muslim girls and muslim women protesting this. They were just pious muslim women and muslim girls that love to wear hijab, they never go to streets but just this time. But there was not even one of regular feminist organization went to the street. There was not even one of non muslim feminist organization went to the street. What I mean by "regular feminist" is feminist that protesting for gender equality and women treatment in Sudan, Afghanistan , in Saudi Arabia, other muslim country. So we can see they are bias, probably they have "hidden agenda".

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Posted: 15 April 2005 at 7:59am

I was watching this interesting documentry called Muslims on this is going a fair way back I think its 2002. Their was a mention the hijab was not a representation of Islam nor are women forced to wear it. Another interesting fact mentioned was the sharia law cannot be forced on someone it's up to the invidual to take up these doctrines themselves and put it to use.

As I am not well grounded I will not speculate but your responces will be greatly appreciated.

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Posted: 15 April 2005 at 9:01am

Assalamu Alaikum sanjiv

Great topic

This is my two cents:

Although wearing the 'hijab' is expressed in the Quran and mandatory in Islam, it is not to be forced upon any woman.

The hijab, I speak from personal opinion, is not just the scarf that covers the head. It is an entire dress code and pattern of behaviour. Having said that, some women wear the hijab yet do not faithfully adhere to Islam, as there are also some women that do not wear the hijab yet practice their religion precisely in other aspects.

About 'being forced' to wear the hijab, it defeats the objective entirely! The objective being full submission to Islam, especially from the heart. In order to embrace the hijab, you must want to do so from the heart, out of a love of Islam and respect for the word of Allah (swt). The benefits of wearing the hijab are numerous, both in this life and the next.

Yet it is futile to impose it upon a woman who does not understand its significance and does not practice Islam as one should (i.e prayers, fasting etc). It is also pointless to wear the hijab and then dance around at a mixed party for example, it is a contradiction. As is wearing a head scarf yet coupling it with very tight, skimpy clothes that allow other parts of the body to show. The hijab requires a committment to Islam and its practice and should not be used aimlessly to satisfy non religious whims.

I can not stress enough that a woman must want to wear the hijab of her own free will. Being forced into anything will either breed resentment or hypocrisy, wearing the hijab is no exception to that rule. It must not be forced upon any woman. Rather, women should be taught about what is said in the Quran about it and told about the benefits.

It is a great feeling to step outside wearing the hijab and acting according to it since it in itself commands a certain way of behaving. Not only did Allah (swt) command us women to wear it, but it identifies us as muslim women and informs others of their restrictions when dealing with us, especially those that are aware, particularly muslim brothers (although not always the case, unfortunately). I also find that non-muslims treat women that adopt the hijab with more respect and courtesy...many of the staff working at my university refrain from swearing infront of me! for that I am thankful

Personally, I find the hijab and all that it entails is empowering, I know that all that I have achieved in my life is due to my intellect and personality and not the size of my bust or the curve of my hips (or the lack of either as the case may be ) It makes me aware constantly of my faith and Allah (swt) and prevents me from putting myself in compromising positions. I really love my hijab, and I mean that with all the honesty I posses, walahi it is the truth. In fact, I would feel completely naked without it!

I hope that all made some sort of sense!

It will be interesting to hear everyones opinion on the topic

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Posted: 15 April 2005 at 9:22am

Salam,

I agree with you both (sanjiv & simplymuslim), tha twe can not force women to wear hijab, but alss we can not force women to remove their hijab.

The point that I want to raise is most feminist who attact the policy regarding mandatory hijab on some muslim countries, they did nothing when the French Goverment banned hijab. If they genuinely fight for women's right, they should protest on both cases (forcing and banning hijab). That's it.

By the way the original topic actually is not about hijab but about feminism.

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Posted: 16 April 2005 at 4:19am

I agree totally with Sister 'Simply Muslim' being a man I do respect sisters who willingly wear hijab, etc a lot more than those that don't.

I congratulate all sisters who wear hijab and follow the faith.

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Posted: 16 April 2005 at 5:45am

Sorry guys I was slighty of topic as notified bt Semar.

I raised this topic in general discussions under the heading How should Islam be implented.

Click on the this link to be redirected see ya there. http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=592& PN=1&TPN=1

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Posted: 16 April 2005 at 6:00am

Originally posted by SimplyMuslim

Assalamu Alaikum sanjiv

Great topic

Salam

salaam alykum

It saddens me to say that due to the behavior of some sisters the respect of the hijab is no longar what it used to be.

yes there are sisters that do not wear the hijab yet practice their religion precisely and i have seen them being shunned by some hijab wearing sisters.

Why do some of us still judge others by their appearance.

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kim! Senior Member Joined: 17 September 2001 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 2390	Posted: 14 April 2005 at 12:59am
	"Agree Kim, however many times the feminism activist they are not balance, the very obvious example when France muslim women were banned to wear hijab, they do nothing. Where are they? This is also women's right." Are you _sure_ they said nothing? Accorind to the news we get over here, Muslim women and girls protested a LOT and very loudly! I can understand both sides of the arguement - on one hand everyone should be free to wear what they want, but on the other hand it sounds like French schools have been having a lot of trouble to deal with in recent years with students protesting about people wearing more modern clothes. But I think the french have taken it too far and should have dealt with the problem in a different way somehow. Kim...
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semar Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 11 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1234	Posted: 14 April 2005 at 9:50am
	*Originally posted by kim!* Are you _sure_ they said nothing? Accorind to the news we get over here, Muslim women and girls protested a LOT and very loudly! Yes you are right, many muslim girls and muslim women protesting this. They were just pious muslim women and muslim girls that love to wear hijab, they never go to streets but just this time. But there was not even one of regular feminist organization went to the street. There was not even one of non muslim feminist organization went to the street. What I mean by "regular feminist" is feminist that protesting for gender equality and women treatment in Sudan, Afghanistan , in Saudi Arabia, other muslim country. So we can see they are bias, probably they have "hidden agenda". Edited by semar
	Salam/Peace, Semar The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full" "1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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Sanjiv Groupie Joined: 09 April 2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 40	Posted: 15 April 2005 at 7:59am
	I was watching this interesting documentry called Muslims on this is going a fair way back I think its 2002. Their was a mention the hijab was not a representation of Islam nor are women forced to wear it. Another interesting fact mentioned was the sharia law cannot be forced on someone it's up to the invidual to take up these doctrines themselves and put it to use. As I am not well grounded I will not speculate but your responces will be greatly appreciated.
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SimplyMuslim Newbie Joined: 10 April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Posted: 15 April 2005 at 9:01am
	Assalamu Alaikum sanjiv Great topic This is my two cents: Although wearing the 'hijab' is expressed in the Quran and mandatory in Islam, it is not to be forced upon any woman. The hijab, I speak from personal opinion, is not just the scarf that covers the head. It is an entire dress code and pattern of behaviour. Having said that, some women wear the hijab yet do not faithfully adhere to Islam, as there are also some women that do not wear the hijab yet practice their religion precisely in other aspects. About 'being forced' to wear the hijab, it defeats the objective entirely! The objective being full submission to Islam, especially from the heart. In order to embrace the hijab, you must want to do so from the heart, out of a love of Islam and respect for the word of Allah (swt). The benefits of wearing the hijab are numerous, both in this life and the next. Yet it is futile to impose it upon a woman who does not understand its significance and does not practice Islam as one should (i.e prayers, fasting etc). It is also pointless to wear the hijab and then dance around at a mixed party for example, it is a contradiction. As is wearing a head scarf yet coupling it with very tight, skimpy clothes that allow other parts of the body to show. The hijab requires a committment to Islam and its practice and should not be used aimlessly to satisfy non religious whims. I can not stress enough that a woman must want to wear the hijab of her own free will. Being forced into anything will either breed resentment or hypocrisy, wearing the hijab is no exception to that rule. It must not be forced upon any woman. Rather, women should be taught about what is said in the Quran about it and told about the benefits. It is a great feeling to step outside wearing the hijab and acting according to it since it in itself commands a certain way of behaving. Not only did Allah (swt) command us women to wear it, but it identifies us as muslim women and informs others of their restrictions when dealing with us, especially those that are aware, particularly muslim brothers (although not always the case, unfortunately). I also find that non-muslims treat women that adopt the hijab with more respect and courtesy...many of the staff working at my university refrain from swearing infront of me! for that I am thankful Personally, I find the hijab and all that it entails is empowering, I know that all that I have achieved in my life is due to my intellect and personality and not the size of my bust or the curve of my hips (or the lack of either as the case may be ) It makes me aware constantly of my faith and Allah (swt) and prevents me from putting myself in compromising positions. I really love my hijab, and I mean that with all the honesty I posses, walahi it is the truth. In fact, I would feel completely naked without it! I hope that all made some sort of sense! It will be interesting to hear everyones opinion on the topic Salam
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semar Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 11 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1234	Posted: 15 April 2005 at 9:22am
	Salam, I agree with you both (sanjiv & simplymuslim), tha twe can not force women to wear hijab, but alss we can not force women to remove their hijab. The point that I want to raise is most feminist who attact the policy regarding mandatory hijab on some muslim countries, they did nothing when the French Goverment banned hijab. If they genuinely fight for women's right, they should protest on both cases (forcing and banning hijab). That's it. By the way the original topic actually is not about hijab but about feminism.
	Salam/Peace, Semar The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full" "1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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nadeem_aus Newbie Joined: 19 August 2004 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 39	Posted: 16 April 2005 at 4:19am
	I agree totally with Sister 'Simply Muslim' being a man I do respect sisters who willingly wear hijab, etc a lot more than those that don't. I congratulate all sisters who wear hijab and follow the faith.
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Sanjiv Groupie Joined: 09 April 2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 40	Posted: 16 April 2005 at 5:45am
	Sorry guys I was slighty of topic as notified bt Semar. I raised this topic in general discussions under the heading How should Islam be implented. Click on the this link to be redirected see ya there. http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=592& PN=1&TPN=1
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kalssum Starter Joined: 14 April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4	Posted: 16 April 2005 at 6:00am
	*Originally posted by SimplyMuslim* Assalamu Alaikum sanjiv Great topic The hijab, I speak from personal opinion, is not just the scarf that covers the head. It is an entire dress code and pattern of behaviour. Having said that, some women wear the hijab yet do not faithfully adhere to Islam, as there are also some women that do not wear the hijab yet practice their religion precisely in other aspects. Salam salaam alykum It saddens me to say that due to the behavior of some sisters the respect of the hijab is no longar what it used to be. yes there are sisters that do not wear the hijab yet practice their religion precisely and i have seen them being shunned by some hijab wearing sisters. Why do some of us still judge others by their appearance.
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