You: Supposedly the Quran is the "logical" extension of the Jewish "Taurat" and the Christian "Gospels". So why would they be "obsolete" and not relevant anymore?   "Because of the corruption made in them. Change the God to a great extends and also because they were designed for that time period and Quran is designed for until end of the world.

   Me: "Because of the corruption in them."

   You: That's a convenient excuse for why the Quran does not fit well with EITHER the Old or New Testaments, which complement each other and form a coherent, and logical progression, unlike the Quran. The Bible contains the Book of Revelation, documenting the end of the world, is this Book "designed" for the past or future?

Me: contradictions in Bible are the evident of human interferences in it. Two wrongs thing’s compliments to each other does not make them right. You got to investigate where the truth lies. Having news of end of the world does not make it book for future. A flaw less, logical, book contains the complete message could be the book of present and as long it have all these qualities, it will be the book of future as well. Quran is the only book in today’s context which passes this test.

   You: "So much of the Quran is based on the Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament that it is hard to understand why you consider them to be "obsolete" and not simply the earlier "revelations" of Allah to His "Prophets" that were followed by the final revelation of the Quran and to Muhammad's being the "Seal of the Prophets."

   Me: Quran is the message of God as were old and new Testaments and both are not there now as they were revealed. So we cannot say Quran is based on them. If we may have the both revelations in original form, no one can object on Quran.

   You: You say the Old and New Testaments are "not as they were revealed." Really?

Me: How many Christians today have the Bible in the original language it was revealed? This one thing itself enough to tell the all story.

You: - And who specifically was responsible for this supposed "corruption" of the "actual revelations?" You also say, "So we cannot say Quran is based on them." So what is the Quran based on if not the earlier "prophets" of the Old and New Testaments?

Me:What I mean was since the old and new Testaments are corrupted and Quran is not so you cannot find the clear link there as you said.

 You: As I have said, there are many contradictions in the Quran, especially in how the "People of the Book" (Jews, Christians and (oddly) the "Sabeans") are to be viewed and how they are to be treated by Muslims. In some places they are portrayed as among the true believers and in others are referred to as "perverted transgressors."

Me: The highlighted one is not the correct interpretation, get the verse telling that, I will try clear misunderstanding. What I can say now who ever followed their religion truly in the pre-Islamic era those people were among the true believers as well.

   Me: use the hadith as our resource; this is guided in Quran to do so. Just words are not enough to know the complete way of life; you need the teacher to show you how to do it."

   You: So, what you are saying is that the very message of God is not enough in itself; it needs the words or sayings of the "Prophet" to clarify God's own words? We Christians do not need a "hadith" to understand the words of God and Jesus Christ, they are enough in themselves.

Me :)? Hadith are words of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) is the same as you have words of Jesus (peace be upon Him) in Bible.Only thing they are separately kept and are not part of Quran.

   You: The Old and New Testaments fit together very well, the only "Book" that does not fit well with the Bible is the Quran. So, I would think that shows that the Quran is the book that is corrupt and not the actual message of God. For example, EVERY part of the Hajj ceremony is pre-Islamic, circumambulating the Kaaba, the "seamless" garments, running between the hills, stoning the Devil and sacrifice of an animal, etc. Why do Muslims continue the practices and ceremonies of the pagans of ancient Arabia, including the veneration of the "Black Stone" which was one of the 360 idols inside the Kaaba? Even the name "Allah" is pre-Islamic, both Muhammad's father and uncle had "Allah" as part of their names.

Me.Prophet Ibrahim (peace and blessing of God upon Him) is the one who built Kaba.Ismaeal (peace and blessing of God upon Him) son of Ibrahim (peace and blessing of God upon Him) and after there is a long gap then Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of God upon Him) revive it all again and may be with some different way.Pagan araba were following the entirely different way having 360 idols inside the Kaba.Allah is the Name of Allah now and pre Islamic as well. Where its shows the corruption took place there?.I wish to know from where the word “God “came from? is this word there in the original bible.

      You: "I have actually read the ENTIRE Quran here on Islamicity and I found it seemingly disjointed in it's structure with little or no linear quality. It does not follow a timeline from beginning to end, and it seemed to me to be a long series of individual statements, historical events and warnings to "unbelievers" that are repeated, over and over. The basic message seemed to be that "believers" needed to believe that Muhammad was the true "Messenger" or "Prophet" of Allah and believe that Allah is the true and only God, and anyone who does not believe this will burn in hellfire forever."

   Me: Whats wrong with that, Quran is the book for the guidance of human, as long the message is clear, is enough.

  You: But now you are saying that "Quran is the book for guidance of human, as long as the message is clear, is enough." So which is it, you said, "Just words are not enough..." and now you say, "as long as the message is clear, is enough?"

Me: If this clear message says that “obey Prophet” Does it comply that it become unclear by saying that? Logic I already given why just words are not enough.
      
  You: You didn't answer the question, why does the Sunni and Shiite sects of Islam have different sets of hadith? Which sect has the "true" hadith of Muhammad?

Me: This is because of the differences among early Muslims secondly I am not here to defend Sunni Muslims, seeker of truth will find out, I don’t have tell.

   Me: "Is the Bible is like that, contains the words of God only. Very few verses are only there which could be the direct words of God, some places we can see that Jesus speaking and most of the Bible contain third person is speaking there. Unlike in the Quran where 100% words are directly from God Himself, there is no single word belong to any other person even from Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of God upon him)

   You: So, you believe that since the Bible contains more than just the words of God that makes it not true? There are many writers and personages in the Bible, including Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, and many Prophets like Jesus, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and the Psalms of David and the Song of Solomon, etc., If Islam only accepted the ACTUAL words of God, it would not have included references to these very same persons.

Me: I am not saying that, If you can have other’s people words incorporated in Bible with the God words is acceptable for you and if we have them separately the words of God and words Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of God upon Him) then you have problem why?Schalars of bible keep changing the Bible by taking out some material from it(if I am not wrong in Kings James version) and this change took place not very long ago then how can someone trust in the authenticity of Bible is not there anymore what if the earlier scholars may have done the similar thing.

   Me: "As I had tell earlier that to understand the message correctly, practical demonstration is essential and the prophetic explanations of Quran are very important as well, otherwise every individual could have their own interpretations which would be different from each other and resulting deviation from the original message will occur and differences amongst peoples will be visible. As in the case of Sunni and Shia Muslims having now."

   You: So, in order to "understand" the message (of God Himself), "prophetic explanations" are "very important?" Also, if the Quran is truly "flaw less" and the absolute "true message of God" and perfect in every way, then why does the Quran say, in Quran 2:106;"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar; Knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?"

   So, God Himself can give a "better or similar" revelation to the "Prophet" after He has already made His original "revelation" to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel? Why would God's "true message" require this proviso in case of any problems or discrepancies with the "original" revelations?

   Me: "This is not because of the problems with the original message, this is the Divine Wisdom much better knows the need of it. Oneness of God was always there in the message of every Prophet but there could be differences in various others laws like the laws of daily life and, ways of prayers food which is allowed etc."

   You: You say, (concerning Surah 2:106), "This is not because of the problems with the original message, this is the Divine Wisdom much better knows the need for it. Oneness of God was always there in the message of every Prophet but there could be differences..."

   So, "Divine Wisdom" knows the "need" to correct itself from earlier revelations? That's odd, in the Bible God never "corrects" His earlier revelations nor does He even have a process or "revelation" to do it.

   You: Generally speaking, in Christianity, God is understood to act in accordance with reason, while in Islam, God's absolute transcendence means that "God is not bound even by His own word, and can act in ways contrary to reason, including SELF-CONTRADICTION."

   So, in your book, God Himself needs to "correct" Himself from time to time from His earlier "Divine revelations?"

Me: Why then there was a need of New Testaments? why not just follow the old Testaments Why Jew did not believe in Trinity, Because it is not there in Taurat.A doctor sometimes may give the one type of medicine looking at the current condition of the person and knowing that after few days, another Madison will be more effective and he change the old medicine with new medicine .Doctor know how therapy will work. God is not correcting anything here.

   Me: "Rest what you have said is just show the little knowledge you have about Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of God upon Him).I only want to say that our Prophet Married to Aisha (RA) when He was more than 50 years old and if I am not wrong this was his first marriage as Prophet. Secondly God love His prophets, if there are some revelations for his personnel life so there is nothing wrong with that. Thirdly the money He used to get from various means, most of its He used to spend on other poor people. He and his family very seldom used to have the food of two times a day.

   You: So, because Muhammad was 50 years old and this was his "first" marriage as "Prophet," it was fine with God that Muhammad married Aisha at age the age of 6 and "consummated" his marriage to Aisha when she was only 9 years old? But you find "nothing wrong" that God Himself busied Himself with revelations to Muhammad concerning his earthly and sexual affairs? Or even that God decreed the "protection" of the Quryash tribe?

Me: Sorry my earlier reply was not clear.Sex desire is more when the person is young. When He was young 25 years old, He married to a forty years old woman who has married before as well. I tell you what, now satan will put in your mind that because of the money he married to her then I will answer that then some more thing will come up. I will advise you to study the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of God upon Him) and other prophets as well. Most importantly if you are really interested to know Islam correctly, you pray to Allah with sincerity that you wish to know the truth, please help me to find it.

   You: If you are seriously trying to say that Muhammad was so poor that he only could eat once or, rarely twice, a day, that is laughable. Muhammad received a large share of the "Jizya" taken from conquered peoples and even God Himself says, in the Quran, that Muhammad and his closest relations were to be given a large percentage of any funds derived from Muhammad's "revelations." Muhammad even enriched Himself from raids on caravans to Mecca, for example, which were robbed of their wealth and goods.

Me: Please study the history and life of Prophet if you think I am giving wrong information to you. Not just food His cloths his house, the way He sleep on the floor at ordinary cotton sheets. He live a life of so simple so none of his follower can say that Prophet had a better life than me.

Narrated 'Aisha : The Prophet died when we had satisfied our hunger with the two black things, i.e. dates and water.  (Bukhari)

   Me: "You did not give yours response to what I have said you friends are insulting God by saying that God in form of human."

  You: In Christianity, it is not considered "insulting" to God to believe His own message through Himself, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. You may consider Jesus Christ "insulting" to God, but how does God "insult" Himself? You haven't got the slightest idea of the true nature of the Holy Trinity, and statements like this of yours shows that very clearly.

Me:You made Him God He never said in whole bible that I am God or worship me. Secondly if this Holy Trinity is so complex that common people can’t understand it. So surly this could never be from God. By the way so many Christians could also not able to understand this theory and turning to atheist and some into Islam as well.

You:   And my final question to you, "If Muhammad was actually a TRUE PROPHET and the "Seal of the Prophets," can you tell me of ANY of his "prophecies" which were made and later fulfilled exactly as prophesied? Can you name even three direct "prophecies" of Muhammad that later came true (which is the Biblical standard for a true Prophet)?

Me: When a slave gives birth to her master - And when you see the Bedoin Arabs competing with each other to build taller buildings in the desert"

The tallest building of the world in Dubai and there is a more taller one is coming up in Saudi Arabia

Regards,