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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 10:35am

Quote:-Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

And that He-- exalted be the majesty of our Lord-- has not taken a consort, nor a son:And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:(Quran 72-3,4)

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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 4:34pm

Originally posted by Usmani

And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:(Quran 72-3,4)

I understand the first part but can you explain what this part means to you?

To me it would seem to be speaking against forging idols to God. Idols made of gold and wood, as when the people of Israel forged the golden calf.

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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 4:50pm

Originally posted by Usmani

If I say that President of USA do not wash the streets of Newyark,because he got better things to do and he is not st**id.It never means that he can’t wash the streets of Newyark.Come to this conclusion,do I must know what is in the mind of the President? or require just common sence

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I think there is a big difference between the president(or any man), who is a human, and God the Creator of all. Common sense? God says; “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." (Isaiah)

"hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?"

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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 5:24pm

   You say, "Come to this conclusion, do I must know what is in the mind of the President? Or require just common sence (sense)?"
   The last time I checked, the President of the USA was not God. To compare God's thoughts and actions to the thoughts or actions of a human being shows that you believe that God's actions can be compared or predicted by comparing His actions or thoughts to those of a human being. And that you feel that by using your own "common sense" you can understand the mind, actions or intentions of God Himself?
   As Caringheart said, "For what man knows God's counsel, or who can conceive what our LORD intends?"

Edited by Larry - 17 June 2012 at 5:54pm

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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 10:32pm

Qoute:I understand the first part but can you explain what this part means to you?

Its means to me that having understanding that God has a wife or son is foolishness and nothing else.He is the one only.Contex tell us the same thing.

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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 10:53pm

Qoute;- The last time I checked, the President of the USA was not God. To compare God's thoughts and actions to the thoughts or actions of a human being shows that you believe that God's actions can be compared or predicted by comparing His actions or thoughts to those of a human being. And that you feel that by using your own "common sense" you can understand the mind, actions or intentions of God Himself?
As Caringheart said, "For what man knows God's counsel, or who can conceive what our LORD intends?"

My brother why you are insisting that God can do st**id things. God is the wisest. When a wise human tries to avoid doing st**id things, how can you say to God will do. It is shocking to me too mush. Brother life is given to us once only. Human could be on error. Think wisely and get the right things for you. We have very limited time here.

Regards,

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Posted: 18 June 2012 at 12:13pm

   Again, you state, "WHY YOU ARE INSISTING THAT GOD CAN DO ST**ID THINGS. GOD IS THE WISEST. WHEN A WISE HUMAN TRIES TO AVOID DOING ST**ID THINGS, HOW CAN YOU SAY TO GOD WILL DO. It is shocking to me too mush."

   You again try to equate that God's intentions or actions can be discerned by comparing them to the intentions or actions of a "wise human." Do you have so little respect or humility in your estimation of God's own mind that you continue to compare His thoughts or actions with those of a "wise" human being?

Job 42:1-3,

"Then Job answered the Lord and said:
I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours
can be witheld from You.
You asked, 'Who is this who
hides counsel without knowledge?'
Therefore I have uttered what
I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me,
which I did not know."

   Perhaps you should have more respect in regard to the mind of God Himself, which, regardless of "common sense," NO human can understand or comprehend.

   I have seen other Muslims on this site make comparisons and offer "explanations" of God's intentions or actions on the basis of "common sense" or reasoning. As a Christian I would never dare to even think that I could know the mind of God, much less explain them by means of my own flawed, human "common sense."

   Evidently you believe that God is nothing more than a glorified human being, who can be fully and completely understood through "common sense."

Edited by Larry - 18 June 2012 at 12:56pm

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Posted: 18 June 2012 at 5:57pm

Originally posted by Usmani

Qoute:I understand the first part but can you explain what this part means to you?

Its means to me that having understanding that God has a wife or son is foolishness and nothing else.He is the one only.Contex tell us the same thing.

Was that meant to be a serious reply to my question? Because I don't understand how your answer has anything to do with "forging exrtavagant things for Allah"

and no one has said anything about God having a wife...

Edited by Caringheart - 18 June 2012 at 6:06pm

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Usmani Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 07 September 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 132	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 10:35am
	Quote:-Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. And that He-- exalted be the majesty of our Lord-- has not taken a consort, nor a son:And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:(Quran 72-3,4)
	Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 4:34pm
	*Originally posted by Usmani* And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:(Quran 72-3,4) I understand the first part but can you explain what this part means to you? To me it would seem to be speaking against forging idols to God. Idols made of gold and wood, as when the people of Israel forged the golden calf.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 4:50pm
	*Originally posted by Usmani* If I say that President of USA do not wash the streets of Newyark,because he got better things to do and he is not st**id.It never means that he can’t wash the streets of Newyark.Come to this conclusion,do I must know what is in the mind of the President? or require just common sence Regards, I think there is a big difference between the president(or any man), who is a human, and God the Creator of all. Common sense? God says; “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." (Isaiah) "hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?"
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Larry Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 632	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 5:24pm
	You say, "Come to this conclusion, do I must know what is in the mind of the President? Or require just common sence (sense)?" The last time I checked, the President of the USA was not God. To compare God's thoughts and actions to the thoughts or actions of a human being shows that you believe that God's actions can be compared or predicted by comparing His actions or thoughts to those of a human being. And that you feel that by using your own "common sense" you can understand the mind, actions or intentions of God Himself? As Caringheart said, "For what man knows God's counsel, or who can conceive what our LORD intends?" Edited by Larry - 17 June 2012 at 5:54pm
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Usmani Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 07 September 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 132	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 10:32pm
	Qoute:I understand the first part but can you explain what this part means to you? Its means to me that having understanding that God has a wife or son is foolishness and nothing else.He is the one only.Contex tell us the same thing.
	Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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Usmani Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 07 September 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 132	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 10:53pm
	Qoute;- The last time I checked, the President of the USA was not God. To compare God's thoughts and actions to the thoughts or actions of a human being shows that you believe that God's actions can be compared or predicted by comparing His actions or thoughts to those of a human being. And that you feel that by using your own "common sense" you can understand the mind, actions or intentions of God Himself? As Caringheart said, "For what man knows God's counsel, or who can conceive what our LORD intends?" My brother why you are insisting that God can do stid things. God is the wisest. When a wise human tries to avoid doing stid things, how can you say to God will do. It is shocking to me too mush. Brother life is given to us once only. Human could be on error. Think wisely and get the right things for you. We have very limited time here. Regards,
	Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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Larry Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 632	Posted: 18 June 2012 at 12:13pm
	Again, you state, "WHY YOU ARE INSISTING THAT GOD CAN DO STID THINGS. GOD IS THE WISEST. WHEN A WISE HUMAN TRIES TO AVOID DOING STID THINGS, HOW CAN YOU SAY TO GOD WILL DO. It is shocking to me too mush." You again try to equate that God's intentions or actions can be discerned by comparing them to the intentions or actions of a "wise human." Do you have so little respect or humility in your estimation of God's own mind that you continue to compare His thoughts or actions with those of a "wise" human being? Job 42:1-3, "Then Job answered the Lord and said: I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be witheld from You. You asked, 'Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?' Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know." Perhaps you should have more respect in regard to the mind of God Himself, which, regardless of "common sense," NO human can understand or comprehend. I have seen other Muslims on this site make comparisons and offer "explanations" of God's intentions or actions on the basis of "common sense" or reasoning. As a Christian I would never dare to even think that I could know the mind of God, much less explain them by means of my own flawed, human "common sense." Evidently you believe that God is nothing more than a glorified human being, who can be fully and completely understood through "common sense." Edited by Larry - 18 June 2012 at 12:56pm
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 18 June 2012 at 5:57pm
	*Originally posted by Usmani* Qoute:I understand the first part but can you explain what this part means to you? Its means to me that having understanding that God has a wife or son is foolishness and nothing else.He is the one only.Contex tell us the same thing. Was that meant to be a serious reply to my question? Because I don't understand how your answer has anything to do with "forging exrtavagant things for Allah" and no one has said anything about God having a wife... Edited by Caringheart - 18 June 2012 at 6:06pm
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