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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 9:41am

Originally posted by Larry

iec786,

You may not be st**id but it is obvious that you cannot read or understand what is happening in the story of the "Two Harlot Sisters."
If you want to continue this obsession of yours with "whores" and "genitals" you will need to do it with someone else, I am tired of your endless, pointless babbling about them.

Larry

Lol Larry,ok here is a confession.I will not read this verse to my wife,children or my mother.The story is over.Would you ?

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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 4:22pm

Originally posted by Larry

Hasan,

   You made the comment, "I believe God is All Capable, but that does not mean He can turn Himself into a human like you believe..."

   So, that clearly says that you believe that God is not "All Capable" in all things. We Christians believe what Matthew reports in Matthew 19:25-26.

   25. "When His (Jesus) disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"

   26. "But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

   You also say that the "Holy Spirit, we learn is an Angel, who God sends down when he decides."

   The "Holy Spirit" is never referred to as an angel in the Bible. Angels all have names and roles, but the Holy Spirit comes from within God Himself, because He is the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 28:19 below.

   You also said that you don't believe God lives inside of every human being. Just because God lives in us all doesn't mean that people will always do good, evil people do not follow after God, but follow after Satan. God gave us free will to do good or to do evil, it is how we make those choices that we will all be held accountable for at the End of the World.

   But we Christians believe that God lives in us all and is always with us, in good times and bad.

   Jesus says this in Matthew 28:18-20

   18. "Then Jesus came and spoke with them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

   19. "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

   20. "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

   You seem to believe that God is restricted to being only one thing at a time, like a human being, but God is beyond all human understanding and His powers are limitless and complete. As long as you believe that God can only be one thing at a time, like a human being, one of His creations, you will never understand the true nature of the Holy Trinity.

   But let's face it, you will never believe in the Holy Trinity and us Christians will never believe in Allah or in his "Prophet." No one is going to change their mind here, the best we can do is to try and understand the beliefs of others and try to get along, but our belief in each of our religions is complete and dearly held by each of us.

Larry

Larry,

so you are saying that God can be an elephant or a monkey?

Can God be evil? according to you yes, right because that's what you believe "All Capable" means.

Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:36pm

Hasan,

   Did I stutter? Jesus said, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

   I believe that there are no limits to the power of God Almighty. As I said before, God is beyond all human understanding and His powers are limitless and complete.

   Apparently you believe differently.

   You can play word-games with the sanctity and power of God all you want, but a God that has ANY limits is no true God at all.

   That is the difference between your faith and mine.

Larry

Edited by Larry - 13 June 2012 at 10:45pm

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Posted: 15 June 2012 at 1:17am

Quote:You can play word-games with the sanctity and power of God all you want, but a God that has ANY limits is no true God at all.

It is not that God Can't turn Himself into a human,rather He don't do st**id things.Why He need to become human when he can select Prophets within humen and can performed His desire task through them.

Regards,

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Posted: 15 June 2012 at 10:34pm

You say that God "don't do st**id things." Are you speaking for God? You seem to be saying that you know what God thinks and does, or does not do. Or what He will or will not do. I do not dare to presume to speak for God, evidently you feel that you can. Where do you get this personal insight into the mind of God Himself? Is there anything else that you can tell me about what goes on in the mind of God since you seem to have such great personal knowledge about Him?

Edited by Larry - 15 June 2012 at 10:52pm

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Posted: 16 June 2012 at 5:42pm

Originally posted by Usmani

Quote:You can play word-games with the sanctity and power of God all you want, but a God that has ANY limits is no true God at all.

Regards,

Who has the mind of God to say what He can, or should, and should not do? Who has the mind of God to know why He does what He does?
Is it for us to question?

"For what man knows God's counsel, or who can conceive what our LORD intends?"

God speaking with Job 38-42:
"Who is this that obscures divine plans with words of ignorance?
Gird up your loins now like a man; for I will question you, and you tell me the answers.
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.

Will we have arguing with the Almighty by the critic?
    Let him who would correct God give answer!
Then Job answered the Lord:
“Behold, I am of little account; what can I answer you?
    I put my hand over my mouth."

Then Job answered the Lord and said:
“I know that you can do all things,
    and that no purpose of yours can be hindered.
I have dealt with great things that I do not understand;
    things too wonderful for me, which I can not know.
I had heard of you by word of mouth,
    but now my eye has seen you.
Therefore I disown what I have said,
    and repent in dust and ashes.”

"Now the natural person does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he can not understand it, because it is spiritually discerned."

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
    the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." (Isaiah)

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that, in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"

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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 1:08am

Outstanding response, Caringheart, impressive documentation of this important conversation and a lesson to those who would presume to speak for God.

Edited by Larry - 17 June 2012 at 1:08am

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Posted: 17 June 2012 at 8:54am

Quote:You say that God "don't do st**id things." Are you speaking for God? You seem to be saying that you know what God thinks and does, or does not do. Or what He will or will not do. I do not dare to presume to speak for God, evidently you feel that you can. Where do you get this personal insight into the mind of God Himself? Is there anything else that you can tell me about what goes on in the mind of God since you seem to have such great personal knowledge about Him?

If I say that President of USA do not wash the streets of Newyark,because he got better things to do and he is not st**id.It never means that he can’t wash the streets of Newyark.Come to this conclusion,do I must know what is in the mind of the President? or require just common sence

Regards,

Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds

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iec786 Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 282	Posted: 13 June 2012 at 9:41am
	*Originally posted by Larry* iec786, You may not be st**id but it is obvious that you cannot read or understand what is happening in the story of the "Two Harlot Sisters." If you want to continue this obsession of yours with "whores" and "genitals" you will need to do it with someone else, I am tired of your endless, pointless babbling about them. Larry Lol Larry,ok here is a confession.I will not read this verse to my wife,children or my mother.The story is over.Would you ?
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 13 June 2012 at 4:22pm
	*Originally posted by Larry* Hasan, You made the comment, "I believe God is All Capable, but that does not mean He can turn Himself into a human like you believe..." So, that clearly says that you believe that God is not "All Capable" in all things. We Christians believe what Matthew reports in Matthew 19:25-26. 25. "When His (Jesus) disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" 26. "But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." You also say that the "Holy Spirit, we learn is an Angel, who God sends down when he decides." The "Holy Spirit" is never referred to as an angel in the Bible. Angels all have names and roles, but the Holy Spirit comes from within God Himself, because He is the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 28:19 below. You also said that you don't believe God lives inside of every human being. Just because God lives in us all doesn't mean that people will always do good, evil people do not follow after God, but follow after Satan. God gave us free will to do good or to do evil, it is how we make those choices that we will all be held accountable for at the End of the World. But we Christians believe that God lives in us all and is always with us, in good times and bad. Jesus says this in Matthew 28:18-20 18. "Then Jesus came and spoke with them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." 19. "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." 20. "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. You seem to believe that God is restricted to being only one thing at a time, like a human being, but God is beyond all human understanding and His powers are limitless and complete. As long as you believe that God can only be one thing at a time, like a human being, one of His creations, you will never understand the true nature of the Holy Trinity. But let's face it, you will never believe in the Holy Trinity and us Christians will never believe in Allah or in his "Prophet." No one is going to change their mind here, the best we can do is to try and understand the beliefs of others and try to get along, but our belief in each of our religions is complete and dearly held by each of us. Larry Larry, so you are saying that God can be an elephant or a monkey? Can God be evil? according to you yes, right because that's what you believe "All Capable" means. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Larry Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 632	Posted: 13 June 2012 at 10:36pm
	Hasan, Did I stutter? Jesus said, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." I believe that there are no limits to the power of God Almighty. As I said before, God is beyond all human understanding and His powers are limitless and complete. Apparently you believe differently. You can play word-games with the sanctity and power of God all you want, but a God that has ANY limits is no true God at all. That is the difference between your faith and mine. Larry Edited by Larry - 13 June 2012 at 10:45pm
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Usmani Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 07 September 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 132	Posted: 15 June 2012 at 1:17am
	Quote:You can play word-games with the sanctity and power of God all you want, but a God that has ANY limits is no true God at all. It is not that God Can't turn Himself into a human,rather He don't do st**id things.Why He need to become human when he can select Prophets within humen and can performed His desire task through them. Regards,
	Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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Larry Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 632	Posted: 15 June 2012 at 10:34pm
	You say that God "don't do st**id things." Are you speaking for God? You seem to be saying that you know what God thinks and does, or does not do. Or what He will or will not do. I do not dare to presume to speak for God, evidently you feel that you can. Where do you get this personal insight into the mind of God Himself? Is there anything else that you can tell me about what goes on in the mind of God since you seem to have such great personal knowledge about Him? Edited by Larry - 15 June 2012 at 10:52pm
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 16 June 2012 at 5:42pm
	*Originally posted by Usmani* Quote:You can play word-games with the sanctity and power of God all you want, but a God that has ANY limits is no true God at all. It is not that God Can't turn Himself into a human,rather He don't do st**id things.Why He need to become human when he can select Prophets within humen and can performed His desire task through them. Regards, Who has the mind of God to say what He can, or should, and should not do? Who has the mind of God to know why He does what He does? Is it for us to question? "For what man knows God's counsel, or who can conceive what our LORD intends?" God speaking with Job 38-42: "Who is this that obscures divine plans with words of ignorance? Gird up your loins now like a man; for I will question you, and you tell me the answers. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Will we have arguing with the Almighty by the critic? Let him who would correct God give answer! Then Job answered the Lord: “Behold, I am of little account; what can I answer you? I put my hand over my mouth." Then Job answered the Lord and said: “I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be hindered. I have dealt with great things that I do not understand; things too wonderful for me, which I can not know. I had heard of you by word of mouth, but now my eye has seen you. Therefore I disown what I have said, and repent in dust and ashes.” "Now the natural person does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he can not understand it, because it is spiritually discerned." "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." (Isaiah) Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that, in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty"
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Larry Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 632	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 1:08am
	Outstanding response, Caringheart, impressive documentation of this important conversation and a lesson to those who would presume to speak for God. Edited by Larry - 17 June 2012 at 1:08am
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Usmani Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 07 September 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 132	Posted: 17 June 2012 at 8:54am
	Quote:You say that God "don't do stid things." Are you speaking for God? You seem to be saying that you know what God thinks and does, or does not do. Or what He will or will not do. I do not dare to presume to speak for God, evidently you feel that you can. Where do you get this personal insight into the mind of God Himself? Is there anything else that you can tell me about what goes on in the mind of God since you seem to have such great personal knowledge about Him? If I say that President of USA do not wash the streets of Newyark,because he got better things to do and he is not stid.It never means that he can’t wash the streets of Newyark.Come to this conclusion,do I must know what is in the mind of the President? or require just common sence Regards,
	Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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