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Originally posted by Cyrusgames

If that is true (which I thank God that it is) what about Islamic conquests in the centuries after the founding of Islam? 

Cyrus,

I thought your question was, if Muslims don't force others with violence to convert to Islam. 

And the answer to that is NO.

Now you are asking a different question, but are you confusing it with your first.

Now you are asking about Islamic conquests. Conquest and Conversion are different things, I hope you realize that.

Muslim conquests were to establish God's law on the earth, to provide justice, security and equality for all, and to spread knowledge and guidance, not to force people in to becoming Muslims.

Hasan

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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 07 December 2012 at 6:01pm
	*Originally posted by Cyrusgames* If that is true (which I thank God that it is) what about Islamic conquests in the centuries after the founding of Islam? Cyrus, I thought your question was, if Muslims don't force others with violence to convert to Islam. And the answer to that is NO. Now you are asking a different question, but are you confusing it with your first. Now you are asking about Islamic conquests. Conquest and Conversion are different things, I hope you realize that. Muslim conquests were to establish God's law on the earth, to provide justice, security and equality for all, and to spread knowledge and guidance, not to force people in to becoming Muslims. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Webber Senior Member Joined: 09 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 112	Posted: 17 February 2013 at 12:20pm
	*Originally posted by Chrysalis* Do you know what a Jizya is? It is a word that refers to Tax. Both Non-Muslims and Muslims need to pay taxes to their government. The Jizya Tax basically excuses the non-muslims from having to fight in the Muslim Military, and ensures that their rights are protected by the ruling Muslim government. The Muslim civilians pay Zakat, Sadaqah, Ushr, and other sorts of religiously determined ''taxes'' (although they are not exactly like taxes, more a religious obligation) which non-muslims are excused from. Non-Muslims need not even be part of the muslim military because may not want to fight nations that belong to their faith. Thanks for the explanation. That makes more sense. From what I understood previously it sounded more like a non-Muslim persecution tax.
	I'm a Gentile. Numb. 6:24-26
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Chrysalis Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031	Posted: 04 March 2013 at 11:23pm
	*Originally posted by Webber* *Originally posted by Chrysalis* Do you know what a Jizya is? It is a word that refers to Tax. Both Non-Muslims and Muslims need to pay taxes to their government. The Jizya Tax basically excuses the non-muslims from having to fight in the Muslim Military, and ensures that their rights are protected by the ruling Muslim government. The Muslim civilians pay Zakat, Sadaqah, Ushr, and other sorts of religiously determined ''taxes'' (although they are not exactly like taxes, more a religious obligation) which non-muslims are excused from. Non-Muslims need not even be part of the muslim military because may not want to fight nations that belong to their faith. Thanks for the explanation. That makes more sense. From what I understood previously it sounded more like a non-Muslim persecution tax. Yup. Also, from what I have read, according to Imam Abu Hanifah (who is one of the greatest muslim scholars of Islam) it was only applicable to able-bodied, on-muslim males who were fit for military service. Women, Children, Poor, Monks, Hermits, slaves and elderly were exempted from the Jizya. It was a military compensation (or defense tax) for non-muslims who did not want to fight in the muslim army.
	"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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