![]() |
Active Topics Memberlist Calendar Search |
Old Forum |
|
Advertisement: |
| Islam for non-Muslims | |
| |
|
| Page of 2 Next >> |
| Author | Message |
|
Cyrusgames
Male Christian Starter
Joined: 11 February 2011 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
![]() Topic: Force the non-believing world to submit to Allah?Posted: 11 February 2011 at 6:37pm |
|
Do muslims believe that it is right to use violence to make the non-believing world submit to Allah? |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
semar
Senior Member
Senior Member Joined: 11 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1231 |
![]() Posted: 12 February 2011 at 2:02am |
|
No. We don't.
|
|
|
Salam/Peace,
Semar The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full" "1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Chrysalis
Senior Member
Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031 |
![]() Posted: 12 February 2011 at 2:30am |
|
Originally posted by Cyrusgames Do muslims believe that it is right to use violence to make the non-believing world submit to Allah? No we don't. 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion"... (Qur'an) Edited by Chrysalis - 12 February 2011 at 2:31am |
|
|
"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Cyrusgames
Male Christian Starter
Joined: 11 February 2011 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
![]() Posted: 13 February 2011 at 10:56am |
|
If that is true (which I thank God that it is) what about Islamic conquests in the centuries after the founding of Islam?
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Matt Browne
Male Christian Senior Member
Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755 |
![]() Posted: 21 February 2011 at 7:25am |
|
The interpretation of holy books do change over time. This applies to both the Quran and the Bible. During the early years of Christianity Romans used violence to make the non-believing world north of Rome submit to Christianity and stop worshiping Wotan, a West Germanic god corresponding to Norse Odin.
We have to be very grateful that religions evolve over time. The biggest change to Christianity was caused by the Age of Enlightenment. |
|
|
A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Chrysalis
Senior Member
Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031 |
![]() Posted: 21 February 2011 at 9:12pm |
|
Originally posted by Cyrusgames If that is true (which I thank God that it is) what about Islamic conquests in the centuries after the founding of Islam? Hi, like Matt Browne pointed out correctly - every nation used to fight wars and capture lands in the older days. Including Christians, Hindus, Persians, Romans, etc. It had more to do with 'survival of the fittest' and 'capture or be captured' rather than forcing people to submit to religion. You will find that compared to their non-Muslim conquerors - the Muslim conquerors allowed freedom of religion in thier lands. That is why to this day you shall find Coptic Christians (who have been christian since centuries) in Egypt - which is surrounded by, and was mostly a Muslim controlled region. Or you will find Hindus dominating the Sub-Continent - which again, has been under Muslim rule for centuries. Also, did you know for example, that during the Crusades, the only safe-haven for persecuted Jews were Muslim lands? Jews flocked to the Ottoman states because they were treated as 1st class citizens and their educational/ scientific contributions were appreciated. I would suggest you google Jews under Ottoman rule - to read for yourself. The above examples were to illustrate my point that Muslim conquests were not to force the world to submit to Allah - they were the norm of the day. There is no compulsion in religion like I quoted from the Qur'an before. Because had that been the case, you would not find century-old non-muslim communities established in these areas. Unlike what happened to Muslims in Bosnia, Central-Asia, Spain. They were forced to convert to Christianity, and their identities were forcibly erased. If Muslims wanted to/ believed in forcing others into accepting their values & ideologies they would be attacking nations today. Yet in today's modern times when warfare is abhorred, it is non-Muslims enforcing their ideologies (Operation Freedom Iraq, Afghanistan) by attacking sovereign nations. Actions speak louder than words right? |
|
|
"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
tmac26
Male Christian Starter.
Joined: 30 November 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
![]() Posted: 30 November 2012 at 3:54pm |
|
Ok which aya came first theres no compultion in religion or fight those who beleive not in allah or the last day until they pay the jizya and feel subued. Does the latter not abrigate the first. As islam is for all people for all time why do muslims say... Well in the time of muhammad... Or in history. You cant have no compultion in religion and force non muslims to pay the jizya. The laws in the quran are not equal with the hadiths. So for al men for all time doesnt just mean history. Is there a aya that abrogates the fight againt non beleivers?
Edited by tmac26 - 30 November 2012 at 3:56pm |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Chrysalis
Senior Member
Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031 |
![]() Posted: 06 December 2012 at 3:51am |
|
Originally posted by tmac26
You cant have no compultion in religion and force non muslims to pay the jizya. The laws in the quran are not equal with the hadiths. So for al men for all time doesnt just mean history. Is there a aya that abrogates the fight againt non beleivers? Do you know what a Jizya is? It is a word that refers to Tax. Both Non-Muslims and Muslims need to pay taxes to their government. The Jizya Tax basically excuses the non-muslims from having to fight in the Muslim Military, and ensures that their rights are protected by the ruling Muslim government. The Muslim civilians pay Zakat, Sadaqah, Ushr, and other sorts of religiously determined ''taxes'' (although they are not exactly like taxes, more a religious obligation) which non-muslims are excused from. Non-Muslims need not even be part of the muslim military because may not want to fight nations that belong to their faith. |
|
|
"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
|
|
IP Logged |
|
| Page of 2 Next >> |
|
||
Forum Jump |
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
|
Note: The 99 names of Allah avatars are courtesy of www.arthafez.com
Advertisement: