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Posted: 12 January 2011 at 10:54am

Yeah Sign, indeed the interview was informative, and very enlightening especially with respect to stress on the computer operators of the systems. I had no idea they had such a visual capability. Whether we have congressional oversight or executive (CIA), what matters to me is effective and legitimate usage of the weapon system.

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Posted: 18 January 2011 at 12:14am

The Afghan military operation was authorize by congress S.J. Res. 23
September 14, 2001 just like Vietnam was! what gives?
To attack Pakiland they could do the same; but she is an ally, some ally Ermm

The clip summarized:

No legal framework for operating of drones /the legitimacy and ethics =?

May Constitute extra judicial killings & Multiple civilian deaths violating human rights standards; if no place to go for redress they are expendables /the effectiveness=?

And Cheney has weighed in "Obama Has Learned That Bush Policies Were Right"
Now all bets are off

Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 January 2011 at 5:04pm

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Posted: 20 January 2011 at 6:20pm

Killing civilian with state of the art weapons goes so far with some when the conscience wakes up the guilt drives them over the edge... there is no escape either way Wink

18 veterans commit suicide each day

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/04/military_veterans_suicide_042210w/

Suicide attempts by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans remains a key area of concern. In fiscal 2009, which ended Sept. 30, there were 1,621 suicide attempts by men and 247 by women who served in Iraq or Afghanistan, with 94 men and four women dying.

In general, VA officials said, women attempt suicide more often, but men are more likely to succeed in the attempt, mainly because women use less lethal and less violent means while men are more likely to use firearms.

Suicide attempts among veterans appear to follow those trends, officials said.

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Posted: 21 February 2011 at 1:50am

American who sparked diplomatic crisis over Lahore shooting was CIA spy

A very interesting development as a side benefit...An answer to the ethics of the drone strike policy....................................................
An excerpt from the news report........................
......Although the two spy services (ISI & CIA)co-operate in the CIA's drone campaign along the Afghan border, there has not been a drone strike since 23 January – the longest lull since June 2009. Experts are unsure whether both events are linked.

Sen Kerry was sent on the trouble shooting mission by Obama and he was found groveling to Paki TV reporters and asking forgiveness for Prophet's Hadith sake ... I could not believe how pathetic a politician could become! But now I do...

Edited by Sign*Reader - 21 February 2011 at 2:02am

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Posted: 21 February 2011 at 7:01am

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=133932044&m=133932098

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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 3:53pm

This will certainly have an impact on the continued use of drones by the US in Pakistan but really has no bearing on the morality of the use of drones as a weapon system.

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Posted: 27 February 2011 at 2:28pm

Originally posted by schmikbob

This will certainly have an impact on the continued use of drones by the US in Pakistan but really has no bearing on the morality of the use of drones as a weapon system.

Seems like you are on a drug called schmikbob like this(Charlie Sheen: 'I Am on a Drug. It's Called Charlie Sheen')

I am not sure if the Secretary of war Gates' warning has crossed your perusal activity...This was his assessment...“In my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should ‘have his head examined,’ LOL

So what is the net outcome of impact of this aerial terror?
Talk of morality is ludicrous!
I am sure you must have missed the impact already in the broader ME, the fall of your fundies funded satraps by the enslaved rising up with sheer power of faith against all the instruments of oppression... It is still time to resuscitate the dead soul to your own benefit...

Edited by Sign*Reader - 27 February 2011 at 5:49pm

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Posted: 27 February 2011 at 7:38pm

Originally posted by schmikbob

but really has no bearing on the morality of the use of drones as a weapon system.

The momentous importance of the last few weeks is that this profitable, though morally bankrupt, arrangement appears to be coming to an end.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100077625/how-will-america-handle-the-fall-of-its-middle-east-empire/

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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3993	Posted: 12 January 2011 at 10:54am
	Yeah Sign, indeed the interview was informative, and very enlightening especially with respect to stress on the computer operators of the systems. I had no idea they had such a visual capability. Whether we have congressional oversight or executive (CIA), what matters to me is effective and legitimate usage of the weapon system.
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 18 January 2011 at 12:14am
	The Afghan military operation was authorize by congress S.J. Res. 23 September 14, 2001 just like Vietnam was! what gives? To attack Pakiland they could do the same; but she is an ally, some ally The clip summarized: No legal framework for operating of drones /the legitimacy and ethics =? May Constitute extra judicial killings & Multiple civilian deaths violating human rights standards; if no place to go for redress they are expendables /the effectiveness=? And Cheney has weighed in "Obama Has Learned That Bush Policies Were Right" Now all bets are off Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 January 2011 at 5:04pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 20 January 2011 at 6:20pm
	Killing civilian with state of the art weapons goes so far with some when the conscience wakes up the guilt drives them over the edge... there is no escape either way 18 veterans commit suicide each day http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/04/military_veterans_suicide_042210w/ Suicide attempts by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans remains a key area of concern. In fiscal 2009, which ended Sept. 30, there were 1,621 suicide attempts by men and 247 by women who served in Iraq or Afghanistan, with 94 men and four women dying. In general, VA officials said, women attempt suicide more often, but men are more likely to succeed in the attempt, mainly because women use less lethal and less violent means while men are more likely to use firearms. Suicide attempts among veterans appear to follow those trends, officials said. Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 January 2011 at 6:22pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 21 February 2011 at 1:50am
	American who sparked diplomatic crisis over Lahore shooting was CIA spy A very interesting development as a side benefit...An answer to the ethics of the drone strike policy.................................................... An excerpt from the news report........................ ......Although the two spy services (ISI & CIA)co-operate in the CIA's drone campaign along the Afghan border, there has not been a drone strike since 23 January – the longest lull since June 2009. Experts are unsure whether both events are linked. Sen Kerry was sent on the trouble shooting mission by Obama and he was found groveling to Paki TV reporters and asking forgiveness for Prophet's Hadith sake ... I could not believe how pathetic a politician could become! But now I do... Edited by Sign*Reader - 21 February 2011 at 2:02am
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3993	Posted: 21 February 2011 at 7:01am
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 25 February 2011 at 3:53pm
	This will certainly have an impact on the continued use of drones by the US in Pakistan but really has no bearing on the morality of the use of drones as a weapon system.
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 27 February 2011 at 2:28pm
	*Originally posted by schmikbob* This will certainly have an impact on the continued use of drones by the US in Pakistan but really has no bearing on the morality of the use of drones as a weapon system. Seems like you are on a drug called schmikbob like this(Charlie Sheen: 'I Am on a Drug. It's Called Charlie Sheen') I am not sure if the Secretary of war Gates' warning has crossed your perusal activity...This was his assessment...“In my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should ‘have his head examined,’ So what is the net outcome of impact of this aerial terror? Talk of morality is ludicrous! I am sure you must have missed the impact already in the broader ME, the fall of your fundies funded satraps by the enslaved rising up with sheer power of faith against all the instruments of oppression... It is still time to resuscitate the dead soul to your own benefit... Edited by Sign*Reader - 27 February 2011 at 5:49pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 27 February 2011 at 7:38pm
	*Originally posted by schmikbob* but really has no bearing on the morality of the use of drones as a weapon system. The momentous importance of the last few weeks is that this profitable, though morally bankrupt, arrangement appears to be coming to an end. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100077625/how-will-america-handle-the-fall-of-its-middle-east-empire/
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