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Posted: 08 December 2010 at 7:00am

Is the primary argument against anti-personnel mines the one that argues against their potential use against civilians or non-combatents, or, if you will, the collateral damage issue?

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Posted: 09 December 2010 at 7:07am

I do not consider unmanned weapons to be any different than manned weapons or in person combat.
All of them rely on decisions made by a person.
The only difference is the location of that person.

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Posted: 09 December 2010 at 5:00pm

and the recallability of the weapon of course

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Posted: 25 December 2010 at 2:49pm

Originally posted by abuayisha

I feel that morality or immorality would apply to those individuals on the ground giving intelligence. The drone weapon technology, as I understand it, does not cause mass destruction, and if used properly could save young American lives, and reduce civilian casualties.

I see this discussion is about Pakistan, right?
Next, how does that information travel?
It couldn't be the individuals but rather the ruling junta on the take that pimps this information. In that country ( classified almost the most corrupt where they will sell their own mother for money) government army soldiers have been killing their own citizens since her inception; what few hundred civilians deaths out of 170 million would matter by video game consoles when they are getting billions of zombie taxpayers money and the top jobs to boot! According to the reports the Paki army has killed more people than the drones will ever kill!
So as a part of ethic scenario add up all the numbers first being a capitalist!

Finally if you are not aware of the fact that country creation had lot to with her territory being part of the ring around the USSR ( defunct) unbeknown to the ignorant masses of the Pakiland...Are you old enough to remember Baghdad pact (CENTO)? So it is not that simple to discuss the ethics about drones use over the hapless masses in isolation!

Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 3:54pm

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Posted: 25 December 2010 at 3:31pm

Originally posted by schmikbob

I would like a response from the community on this forum as to the perceived morality or immorality of the use of unmanned or drone weapon systems. I'm not looking for cut and paste jobs of articles from the Huffington Post here folks. I'm interested in what you think.

First of all can you send the drones over every country in the world or you are trying to be selective?
Aren't you assuming that Huffington Post is somehow ICs community's ethics arbiter?

Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 4:20pm

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Posted: 25 December 2010 at 3:56pm

Originally posted by Divya_Mohammed

Assalam Alaikum

I think drone attacks are acceptable as it is specific and targeted to kill the terrorists. They do not cause untargeted deaths (bearing few) and no mass casualities. What can you do to the cowards who kill innocent people at random. I support American drone attacks on Pakistan.

Divya Mohammed Iyer

I can propose a better solution invade Pakistan and end the charade...

Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 4:25pm

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Posted: 25 December 2010 at 4:28pm

Originally posted by schmikbob

and the recallability of the weapon of course

What the heck is the recallability? Wink

Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 4:28pm

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Posted: 25 December 2010 at 9:26pm

Wonderful, here we go trying to address all of Sign Reader's spam. Where are the moderators when you need them?

1. "I see this discussion is about Pakistan, right?
Next, how does that information travel?
It couldn't be the individuals but rather the ruling junta on the take that pimps this information. In that country ( classified almost the most corrupt where they will sell their own mother for money) government army soldiers have been killing their own citizens since her inception; what few hundred civilians deaths out of 170 million would matter by video game consoles when they are getting billions of zombie taxpayers money and the top jobs to boot! According to the reports the Paki army has killed more people than the drones will ever kill!
So as a part of ethic scenario add up all the numbers first being a capitalist! Finally if you are not aware of the fact that country creation had lot to with her territory being part of the ring around the USSR ( defunct) unbeknown to the ignorant masses of the Pakiland...Are you old enough to remember Baghdad pact (CENTO)? "

Nothing to do with this topic. Put it somewhere else Sign Reader.

2. "First of all can you send the drones over every country in the world or you are trying to be selective? Aren't you assuming that Huffington Post is somehow ICs community's ethics arbiter?"

This topic is about the ethics and/or morality of drone weapon system use in general. Try keeping your posts about the subject? Secondly, no I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply trying to prevent your standard cut and paste articles about everything and anything whether or not it applies to the subject.

3. "I can propose a better solution invade Pakistan and end the charade...

". Don't you think this is a little extreme? I'm willing to bet Divya_Mohammed meant drone attacks on insurgents in Pakistan and not Pakistan as a nation.

4. The ability of the weapon to be recalled once launched.

Got anything on point Sign Reader?

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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 08 December 2010 at 7:00am
	Is the primary argument against anti-personnel mines the one that argues against their potential use against civilians or non-combatents, or, if you will, the collateral damage issue?
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optimizer Male Christian Starter Joined: 09 December 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Posted: 09 December 2010 at 7:07am
	I do not consider unmanned weapons to be any different than manned weapons or in person combat. All of them rely on decisions made by a person. The only difference is the location of that person.
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 09 December 2010 at 5:00pm
	and the recallability of the weapon of course
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 25 December 2010 at 2:49pm
	*Originally posted by abuayisha* I feel that morality or immorality would apply to those individuals on the ground giving intelligence. The drone weapon technology, as I understand it, does not cause mass destruction, and if used properly could save young American lives, and reduce civilian casualties. I see this discussion is about Pakistan, right? Next, how does that information travel? It couldn't be the individuals but rather the ruling junta on the take that pimps this information. In that country ( classified almost the most corrupt where they will sell their own mother for money) government army soldiers have been killing their own citizens since her inception; what few hundred civilians deaths out of 170 million would matter by video game consoles when they are getting billions of zombie taxpayers money and the top jobs to boot! According to the reports the Paki army has killed more people than the drones will ever kill! So as a part of ethic scenario add up all the numbers first being a capitalist! Finally if you are not aware of the fact that country creation had lot to with her territory being part of the ring around the USSR ( defunct) unbeknown to the ignorant masses of the Pakiland...Are you old enough to remember Baghdad pact (CENTO)? So it is not that simple to discuss the ethics about drones use over the hapless masses in isolation! Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 3:54pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 25 December 2010 at 3:31pm
	*Originally posted by schmikbob* I would like a response from the community on this forum as to the perceived morality or immorality of the use of unmanned or drone weapon systems. I'm not looking for cut and paste jobs of articles from the Huffington Post here folks. I'm interested in what you think. First of all can you send the drones over every country in the world or you are trying to be selective? Aren't you assuming that Huffington Post is somehow ICs community's ethics arbiter? Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 4:20pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 25 December 2010 at 3:56pm
	*Originally posted by Divya_Mohammed* Assalam Alaikum I think drone attacks are acceptable as it is specific and targeted to kill the terrorists. They do not cause untargeted deaths (bearing few) and no mass casualities. What can you do to the cowards who kill innocent people at random. I support American drone attacks on Pakistan. Divya Mohammed Iyer I can propose a better solution invade Pakistan and end the charade... Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 4:25pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 25 December 2010 at 4:28pm
	*Originally posted by schmikbob* and the recallability of the weapon of course What the heck is the recallability? Edited by Sign*Reader - 25 December 2010 at 4:28pm
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 25 December 2010 at 9:26pm
	Wonderful, here we go trying to address all of Sign Reader's spam. Where are the moderators when you need them? 1. "I see this discussion is about Pakistan, right? Next, how does that information travel? It couldn't be the individuals but rather the ruling junta on the take that pimps this information. In that country ( classified almost the most corrupt where they will sell their own mother for money) government army soldiers have been killing their own citizens since her inception; what few hundred civilians deaths out of 170 million would matter by video game consoles when they are getting billions of zombie taxpayers money and the top jobs to boot! According to the reports the Paki army has killed more people than the drones will ever kill! So as a part of ethic scenario add up all the numbers first being a capitalist! Finally if you are not aware of the fact that country creation had lot to with her territory being part of the ring around the USSR ( defunct) unbeknown to the ignorant masses of the Pakiland...Are you old enough to remember Baghdad pact (CENTO)? " Nothing to do with this topic. Put it somewhere else Sign Reader. 2. "First of all can you send the drones over every country in the world or you are trying to be selective? Aren't you assuming that Huffington Post is somehow ICs community's ethics arbiter?" This topic is about the ethics and/or morality of drone weapon system use in general. Try keeping your posts about the subject? Secondly, no I'm not assuming anything. I'm simply trying to prevent your standard cut and paste articles about everything and anything whether or not it applies to the subject. 3. "I can propose a better solution invade Pakistan and end the charade... ". Don't you think this is a little extreme? I'm willing to bet *Divya_Mohammed* meant drone attacks on insurgents in Pakistan and not Pakistan as a nation. 4. The ability of the weapon to be recalled once launched. Got anything on point Sign Reader?
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