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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 21 February 2011 at 10:11pm


It will not, and it cannot. They must both make sincere tauba, in the first instance- well, ostensibly as a muslim He can, but can SHE as a non-muslim/Catholic?
I feel Sis, that you are being a bit unfair on the Sis here for being non-Muslim. SubhanAllah, the doors to repentance do not close until the day we die. You & I don’t know what awaits her in the future, and what potential she has. She may have more potential than you or I, and could become a better Muslim than us. Ofcourse she can make Tauba. Allah Knows Best.

I think only a muslim can make tauba, or someone at least who wants to do so and enter the fold of Islam. I don't think she ever says she wishes to revert- correct me if I am wrong.

Why would she revert? If I were she, and I was duped by a muslim once, – and then when I approached some for help… I were shrugged off because they assumed I had sinned, and judged me, and told me as a non-muslim my chances for Tauba were slim… why on earth would I think Islam had anything to offer? Sis, the most beautiful thing about Islam, and the Sunnah of our Prophet was the humanity & Rahmah involved in it…   we should be inclusive in Islam, not exclusive.

Also, how can we tell if she ‘wants to’? Only Allah & she alone know that. I don’t think non-Muslims start out by ‘wanting to’ to accept Islam. Nobody plans or intends on leaving the religion of their forefathers. It only happens if they come across the benefits or truth that the other ideology offers. Give her the space & time, and freedom…. And the benefit of doubt.


And, although the Qu'ran says that a man may marry women from among the "people of the book", that woman must be a believing, practicing person, not just nominally a christian or a jew. AND she must be "chaste". Don't forget THAT! How many  actually qualify, according to the criteria of the Qu'ran?

Jews & Christians are ‘people of the book’, are they not? How do we know if she is a believing/practicing Christian?

As for chastity… “she must  be chaste” …  Why just the Sister? The ‘Muslim’ man in question is not very ‘chaste’ from what we have gathered… you would have him not marry her for ‘chastity’? The Qur’an also says that if two people have committed zina (premarital sex) they should get married.  Same ayah you are referring to I think. Scholars also advise that if two people have made a mistake/zina – they should get married. If two people have compromised their chastity with one another – they should marry each other.

"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 21 February 2011 at 10:17pm
Wanted to add: I feel strange talking on 'behalf' of the poster, and talking of her in third-person as if she were not here (about her, her situation etc). Hope she doesn't find it rude. Maybe she should chip in?
"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Quote Hidden_Pearl Replybullet Posted: 24 February 2011 at 2:54pm
Asalaamu aleikum-

Well, when I speak about reversion to Islam, I'm speaking from experience as I am a revert myself, alhamdulillah.
And why I pointed out that the woman must be chaste- and didn't mention the man- was because I was referring to what it says in Qu'ran about this- ie. that if a muslim man wants to marry a woman from the ah'l al kitab then she must be "chaste".
I don't really have any more to say on this topic- it really fills me with sadness and distaste. Ironically, when I first reverted to Islam and was very naive and new to everything, THIS sort of thing was exactly what I wanted to get away from- ie. all the fitna and haram that people tend to think is "normal" in an un-Islamic society. I thought other muslims wanted that as well, but then I learned that not everyone was is idealistic and excited to practice their religion as I am. It's a grave pity that men like this are giving others such a bad image of Islam. But Allah SWT guides whom He wills...
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Quote haniyyya Replybullet Posted: 08 April 2011 at 3:24am
hi nella so how do you feel knowing he has a wife and kids and now he will leave his wife just for you and suddenly she just have to deal wit it coz only your heart and khalids needs to be happy it must be exciting to actually looking forward to someone getting deeply hurt! and if that had been done to you you would be terrified but to hell with khalids wife's feelings right? she is just a fish in the sea but you are the mermaid! the behaviour you showed to your husband was completely wrong .... on the day of qiyaamah you will stand infront of Allah with your deeds not with khalid or your career and when your six feet underground khalid isnt gona be there cudling you but you will be with your deeds, my unconditionaL RESPECT haniyyya
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Quote khabira Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2011 at 5:00am
Hidden Pearl, I agree with you on this.  I don't understand why the poster would come here to seek advise then show him the advise she has been given, and allow him to post such an irresponsible reponse.  This is non-sense. Lady gave her very logical advise to which she didn't respond, but instead allowed him to make his outlandish comment.
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 08 November 2011 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by Kouklanella

dear sister i am the guy she was talking about. first my wife she is a christian, and for you to say abou imam im sorry but most of these guys have sexually mollested kids you dont know about islam like i do keep it for yourself and thanks for your precious advice.


Salam everyone,
sometimes its just a few words that can paint a good picture of the one uttering them.
Still we can pray that may Allah guide him to the right.
Hasan
39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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