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Quote rememberallah Replybullet Posted: 04 December 2010 at 6:25am
brother i have corrected my post. sorry.
The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.
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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 05 December 2010 at 9:07am
The Bible contains myths, parables, advice, wisdom and some historical records. For the Quran it's similar, although the historical part is larger. The 7 heavens is from the night journey which was a spiritual journey. The Prophet did not physically board some vessel to fly to heaven.

Here's a great quote from Michael Shermer:

Myths are about the human struggle to deal with the great passages of time and life—birth, death, marriage, the transitions from childhood to adulthood to old age. They meet a need in the psychological or spiritual nature of humans that has absolutely nothing to do with science. To try to turn a myth into a science, or a science into a myth, is an insult to myths, an insult to religion, and an insult to science.

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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Quote rememberallah Replybullet Posted: 08 December 2010 at 12:27am
@ matt -
my brother i would not comment on bible, the 7 heavens of night journey cant be commented upon as kuran has concept of multiverse ie multiple universes, and kuran based on sentence building reveals the talk is of atmosphere or universe or multiple universes.
kurn is not a science text book nor is it a mythbook, i say if it is a book of God, eerything is possible for it but myth.
 
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 09 December 2010 at 7:29am
rememberallah, I find it odd that you write " kuran based on sentence building reveals the talk is of atmosphere or universe or multiple universes".  The "or, or, or" reveals to me that even you believe these verses could mean more than one thing even though you are insistent that they mean only what you say they mean.  Perhaps you could refer me to one of the hadiths that talks about these verses meaning what you say they mean.  (Pease don't refer me to another of the ridiculous web sites that try to find scientific or numerological miracles in the Quran.  I have been to them and they bore me.)
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Quote rememberallah Replybullet Posted: 09 December 2010 at 11:12am
schmikbob my brother i shared my personal research in which i analysed more than 200 verses which have earth {ard} and heaven/sky {samawat} in them, and it at this time cant be put here as it will needs be typed.
the "or" doesnt refer to many meanings, and you know it, i dont know why you dont think and just comment whatever comes to your mind, my brother what comes to your mind first analyse it, check it cross check it and then say, for the sentence "this plane is going to US or UK" doesnt mean that it is going to both the places but it means it is going to one. if you would analyse what you say you would had never said what you said.
please don't mind i don't say this in attitude of argument but in attitude of making discussions real and not away from our nature.
you say i believe that it has many meanings but only what i say is right, my brother i will give you a parable, "this plane takes off and crosses the atlantic to west" "this plane takes off and crosses the alps to east" "this plane takes off and crosses the pacific to west". my brother the one who doesnt have analyses and doesnt understand will say all planes are going to one place as all planes "take off" from runway, they all are on one runway, but for one who posseses knowledge and understanding will know the first plane takes off from europe and is going to america, the second plane takes off from europe and is going to asia, the third plane takes off from japan and is going to US.
brother you dont know geography of Quran, for you i wont say a thing which is not right when i know the geography of Quran, the teacher never says the world is flat if the student believes it, but fails the student if he writes so in the exam.
i dont mean i am teacher and you are student, you can be my teacher and i can be yours, everyone teaches everyone something. why dont you collect all the verses and try to understand the sentence building my brother from Adam and Eve.
peace be on you.
may God give you paradise.



Edited by rememberallah - 09 December 2010 at 11:25am
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 13 December 2010 at 9:06pm
rememberallah, since you are intent on this line of what I will very loosely call reasoning, can you tell me what you make of the reference to the seven earths in the Quran?
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Quote rememberallah Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2010 at 12:53pm

i will surely give you brother.

God said he created adam and said "go ye down to earth" when he sinned in paradise.    however God said earlier "I am about to place a khalifa on earth".

now does it mean that God already had planned to put us on this earth and that sin was only an excuse??
no, tell me what is earth - it has rivers, mountains, trees, animals, fruits, vegetation etc.
all this even paradise had, and thus when God said i am about to place a khalifa on earth, he didnt mean this earth, but the earth called paradise.
 
however if you trying to fit seven earths with seven skies, i will say it does fit and it doesnt fit....the criteria being for atmosphere is "earth and heavens" {ie earth put before heavens in sentence building, referring to earth's skies} & not "heavens and earth" which refer to Universe, or multiple universe based on sentence construction of kuran.
so 7 earths refer to 7 multiple universes.
if any more kuestions please ask.
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2010 at 8:31pm
OK, so you now have gotten from seven earths to seven multiple universes.  What do you then make of seven universes.  Is this a scientific statement, a statement that is compatible with science, simply a metaphoric statement, or some combination of the above?  
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