The Quran predicts the deceptive mentality of the disbelievers and why they reject truth.

Disbelievers’ Demand Ever More Rigorous Proofs Because They Just Don’t Want to Believe.

 Bunter’s insincerity is typical of the insincerity we see frequently in those who refuse to accept the obvious truth that Islam is the true religion of God. Bunter makes for a good case study to understand and see examples of what the Quran predicts in their mentality and behavior because of the extremely large number of deceptive arguments he makes that, while time consuming to expose, are obvious in their insincerity and deception.

Previously, I showed how he kept changing the criteria for belief. First he had demanded that the hadith show that others saw the angels also. Then when it was shown that Muslims and non-Muslims had also seen the angels, he then changed his criteria and stated that something had to be in the Bible for him to believe it. Then later when we showed him things in his own Bible, he pretended that those things weren’t there.

So, when the disbelievers like Bunter complain that there isn’t proof for something, it isn’t because there isn’t really proof for it (and doesn’t even really know what proof is since I’ve shown repeatedly that he doesn’t understand logic or the scientific method), rather they only make that complaint because they are just looking for excuses to not believe.

The rhetoric and verbiage from the disbelievers demanding proof is empty and insincere. They have already been shown sufficient evidence, and they denied it.

We have exposed their insincerity in these many pages by pointing out their contradictions and fallacies.

The Quran even says that the believers will, believe in none of God’s signs, even if they see the signs, one and all. (6,26).

The Quran goes on to explain that even if the disbelievers were given an outlandish miracle such as being lifted up to the heavens, the disbelievers who just look for excuses to not believe would say something like they must have just hallucinated:

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If We open for the unbelievers a gate in heaven and they ascended through it higher and higher, still they would say, “our eyes were only dazzled; surely we must have been bewitched.

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So, no matter what proofs you show them, they will eternally ask for more rigorous proofs because they are not sincerely looking for the truth. Rather, they are just looking for excuses to disbelieve. This is similar to how the Pharoah was shown the miracles of Moses, but just claimed that Moses’ staff was just some technology rather than believe that it was from God.

Now, in addition to changing criteria, let’s also look at the multiple levels of deception.

Multiple Layers of Deception from disbelievers:

 The Quran discusses the multiple levels of darkness in disbelief.

Honeto had quoted from their Bible:

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Acts 7:41 That was the time they made an idol in the form of a calf. They brought sacrifices to it and reveled in what their own hands had made. 42 But God turned away from them and gave them over to the worship of the sun, moon and stars.

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 Now, let’s look at the multiple levels of deception in Bunter’s response:

1. Changing the subject

2. Falsely claiming that Honeto can’t think for himself.

3. Denying that the verse proves Honeto’s point. By claiming that we reject the Bible when in fact, he has rejected it even more by denying verses such as the one above.

4. Illogically claiming that because the verse refers to those who have rejected God, and since Honeto has rejected the Bible, therefore the verse refers to Honeto.

5. Ignoring the fact that the verse refers to those like himself since just as the people in the verse had committed the sin of worshipping an idol (in the form of a calf), Bunter has also committed the sin of worshipping an idol (in the form of the prophet Jesus).

6. Implies that he can read Honeto’s mind.

7. Contradicts whether or not Honeto can think for himself.

Here was Bunter’s response: { Do you know what these verses refer too? Your problem is you think you and only you are right so automatically everyone else is wrong. You simply cannot think for yourself and neither can you see that the event that these verses recount is about those who rejected God and went their own way - since you reject the Bible, they refer to you not me. }

1. Changing the subject:

Honeto presented the verse to point out that the Bible also shows how God caused disbelievers to go even further astray (from the worship of just a calf to also stellar objects). Discussing to whom the verse changed the subject.

2. Falsely claiming that Honeto can’t think for himself.

That’s just an ad hominem fallacy and an insult. Also, it contradicts Bunter’s earlier assertion that Honeto thinks that only he is right. Obviously Honeto can think for himself. (although Bunter’s tortured logic in #4 casts serious doubts on Bunter’s thinking).

3. Denying that the verse proves Honeto’s point.

The verse proved Honeto’s point (and mine). But Bunter denied that the verse said what it said (even though everyone can clearly see it). As such, Bunter also ended up rejecting his own Bible, and then claimed that we had rejected it. Actually, since we Muslims have the Quran, we can see what parts of the Bible match it, and thus be able to make a good determination as to what parts of the Bible are probably close to what God originally revealed to Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them).

4. Illogical claim:

a. “ . . . about those who rejected God . . . .”

b. “ . . . - since you reject the Bible, they refer to you . . . .” 

Bunter’s first premise is that the verse refers to those who refer reject God. Then Bunter claims that therefore, it refers to those who reject the Bible.

But, we can forgive deception # 4 since it looks like it was an accident. Bunter has shown that he has trouble understanding logic, so logical fallacies like this were probably not done intentionally.

Ironically, based on Bunter’s own reasoning, since Bunter has rejected the Bible, the verse refers to him also.

5. Ignoring that the verse refers to those like him

Even without Bunter’s twisted and contorted reasoning that the verse refers to those who reject the Bible, the verse still refers to him since Bunter has resorted to idol worship (he has imagined Jesus as a god in his mind, and that concept in his imagination is his idol).

Since we Muslims have the Quran, we can see that God probably did reveal something similar to the verse above. Those who rebel and worship idols do get sent further astray. Not only does the verse refer to those like Bunter who worship idols instead of worshipping God, but Bunter’s further diversion from the truth and going even further astray shows the point to be true.

6. Implying he can read Honeto’s mind:

When Bunter states, “Your problem is you think . . . ,” Bunter is implying that he can read minds. He is asserting a claim about Honeto’s inner cognitions. Bunter makes the same implication in the next statement, lest someone object that Bunter had only made a one time mistake there which did not really reflect his actual views.

7. Contradicts whether or not Honeto can think for himself.

First Bunter states to Honeto, “Your problem is you think you and only you are right  . . . .”

Next Bunter states to Honeto, “You simply cannot think for yourself . . . .”

Bunter first says to Honeto, “Your problem is you think….”

Then he says to Honeto, “You simply cannot think….”

So, Bunter is first claiming that Honeto has thought for himself that only Honeto is correct. After all, who else is thinking for Honeto, if not himself?

Then, Bunter says, “You simply cannot think for yourself . . . .”

That’s a clear contradiction.

 Those are only some of the layers of darkness (deception) in Bunter’s response, and that’s only one of his responses.

The Quran predicts multiple levels of darkness in the behavior of the disbelievers:

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As for the unbelievers, their works are like . . . .

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Or like the darkness on a bottomless ocean spread with clashing billows and overcast with clouds: darkness upon darkness. If he stretches out his hand he can scarcely see it. Indeed the man from whom God withholds His light shall find no light at all.

} Quran, chapter 24 (chapter of Light), verses 39-40.

The Quran says that after the disbelievers arrogantly chose to disbelieve, and then God casts veils over their hearts and make them unreceptive to reason, you will see how they will deceive themselves over and over again. (6:24 to 6:26)

Amazingly, even though the Quran predicts their deceptiveness, and even though their deceptions get caught, they continue on by adding new deceptions on top of the old ones. Even though they know that they are proving the Quran to be true, they can’t help it. That is the power of the predictions of the Quran: Even though the disbelievers can see that their behavior is proving the Quran to be true, they can’t help but to do it.

The Quran predicts the deception to expect from the disbelievers:

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The Devils will teach their followers to argue with you.

} Quran (chapter of cattle), 6:121.

It is just as the Quran fortells.

Muslim point out that the Quran states that God created life from water, and that this is knowledge that was unknown at the time of Muhammad, 1400 years ago.

The disbelievers in Islam criticize this assertion of the Muslims by trying to say that it was indeed obvious that life was mostly made of water at the time of Muhammad.

As part of debunking the claim of the disbelievers, I will point out several arguments, as I have done in the past. Even in modern times when the knowledge of life arising from water is known, it is still not obvious to scientists and not always fresh on their minds even when it is known as a fact.

This particular argument came to my mind as I was watching a science documentary on cable television’s Science channel.

That television show was part of a series called “The Planets” that came out in the year 2004. The episode I was watching was about life on other planets and was titled, “Life.”

It can be found here:

http://www.cornel1801.com/bbc/PLANETS/7-Life.html#

About between 15 to 20 minutes into it, the documentary stated that the tests that NASA had used in the Viking explorers to find life on Mars had failed, and it later occurred to the NASA scientists that to look for life, one should look for water.

This is an amazing confirmation of the Quran’s significance in mentioning water as the source of life.

Even though it was known to scientists in the 1970’s that living things were composed mostly of water, that knowledge hadn’t sunk in deep enough (no pun intended) to look for water on Mars when trying to find signs of life. That realization only came after the Mars’ Viking missions.

The 1976 Mars explorers, according to the science documentary, looked for gasses like the ones that bacteria would give off on earth, and for signs of microbes in the soil.

The show said that after the failure of the Mars’ Viking explorations to find proof of life, scientists started to look for life on earth in more extreme environments to help them understand how to look for it in Mars or other planets.

The show stated that a NASA scientist named Chris McCay, started to look for life in California’s Death Valley, and found blue-green algae about a millimeter under the soil where it was deep enough under the surface to get moisture from the earth, but close enough to the surface to get sunlight for photosynthesis.

I tried my best to write down exactly what the science documentary said.

The NASA scientist, Chris McCay stated:

“What we found, looking at life on earth in very harsh environments, dry, cold, hot, environments, is that wherever there is water, wherever there is some mechanism for trapping water, life can flourish.

And that's the key.

If an alien civilization called and asked us what kind of life do you have on your planet, my answer would be, water based life, what kind to you have?”

The narrator of the science documentary then stated, “If water was the key to life, the search for life in the solar system suddenly became a search for water.”

Allow me to repeat this for emphasis. After the 1976 Viking probes to Mars, NASA scientists discovered, in their own words, “. . . wherever there is water . . .  life can flourish.”

Discovering that water was the “key to life” came after the Mars’ Viking mission.

Although some of the importance of water to life was known before the 1976 mission, it hadn’t sunk in enough for NASA scientists to look for water. It only struck them to do so after the Viking missions, according to this show.

I did some further research into this and found this:

“The primary mission of the Viking probes of the mid-1970s was to carry out experiments designed to detect microorganisms in Martian soil . . . .”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars

But it was after the 1976 probes that it occurred to them to look for water. So, if it wasn't obvious to those scientists in the early 1970's that life came from water even though they had the scientifically proven knowledge, then it was not at all obvious to people in the time of Muhammad when the knowledge was not known.

So much for the excuses of the disbelievers?