"Islam is a false religion, because . . .  no evidence of the angel Jibreel."

Thank you,

Thank you,

Thank you!

Finally, you say what you really think. What a relief!

After all that ridiculous gibberish about "insulting mythology" and blah, blah, blah, you finally talk like a real man.

Don't you feel good saying what you really think instead of hiding behind that malarkey?

Now, at least, I can have a little respect for you.

I explained long ago that stating another person’s belief to be false is the door to a discussion, but you're just now understanding what I said.

"How can we know for sure . . . "

I can lecture on at length to you about the epistemology of knowledge, the nature of truth, rationalism vs. empiricism, ontology of being, and on and on, but I doubt anyone would pay attention, it’s all been done, I don’t have the time, and this thread is about something else.

So instead, here is one quick way to explain how you may know:

Wait until the Day of Judgment when the truth is laid bare and is impossible to deny and when it is too late for knowledge to avail you, and see what God tells you. Then you may know for sure. As you have requested, that is how YOU may know.

Here is my advice to you. Continue your belief that Islam is false.  Don’t ever change your mind for your whole life.

Quran chapter 25, verse 4-5,

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The disbelievers say, This Quran is nothing but a lie that Muhammad has invented, and others have helped him . . . .

And they say, It is fables of the ancients which he has written down, and it is dictated to him morning and afternoon.

}

For you others who are sincerely seeking the truth, think about Muhammad’s reputation for honesty to show his character, think about the brilliance of his tactics in battle, politics, business, debate, dispute resolution, arbitration, and home life to figure his sanity. Think about the predictions of the Quran to understand its Author. And if you understand Arabic, consider its super-human eloquence, or try its challenge of creating another of equal quality with help from any natural and supernatural sources, and then consider Muhammad’s lack of poetic eloquence.

Then, if you are sincere, and only if God guides you, knowledge will be yours. You may have knowledge of the true religion only if God gives you the knowledge.

Knowledge of God is not gained merely through seeing the proofs, but it also requires God’s guidance. Knowledge of the material things that God has created may be known through experimental observation; but God transcends His material creation and can not be known by the same means as one knows mundane things like thermodynamics or electromagnetism.

The Quran says that even when the disbelievers are shown the proofs, they will still deny it, so even miracles are not enough to lead to knowledge of the truth. You need guidance based on your sincerity. Look at Pharaoh, for example, and how Moses’ miracles did not persuade him. And just as the Quran predicts, the disbelievers here see the miraculous predictions of the Quran with their own eyes, and yet they deny what they just saw.

The Quran says that God could have guided them, but they deceived themselves.

The Quran says (16,27) that the believers are “. . . those who have been given knowledge . . . .”

And it says (22:24) that the believers have been guided, “For they have been guided to the path of God.”

The unbelievers do not understand the truth because God has barred them from knowledge due to their self-corruption, 6:110-112

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We will turn away their hearts and eyes from the Truth since they refused to believe in it at first. We will let them blunder about in their wrongdoing.

Even if We sent the angels down to them, and caused the dead to speak with them, and ranged all things in front of them, they would still not believe, UNLESS GOD WILLED OTHERWISE. But most of them behave ignorantly.

And so We have appointed for every prophet enemies, devils among humans and jinn, inspiring each other with adorned speech as a deception. IF YOUR LORD HAD WANTED, they would not have done it. So leave them with their falsehoods.

}

So, knowledge of God is given, or held away by God to whom He wills. If you are sincere and ponder, then God may be Merciful and give you knowledge, if He wills so. You can only see if you are shown, and you can not see if you God does not let you see.

God controls the light switch in your mind for knowledge of His right religion. You do not have the power to turn it on yourself. You can only be sincere in your heart and pray for His Compassion. Only then might your intellectual efforts lead you further into faith and wisdom.

SchmikBob said to RememberAllah, "DNA test of the Quran?  This I have to hear.  Tell me more."

To which RememberAllah said, "You are not sincere . . . ."

Yes, it was obvious that "DNA test" was being used figuratively to represent verifiable proof. Other phrases that could have been used would include, "litmus test," or, "acid test," or something along those lines. Schmikbob probably understood that, but he was mocking and making ridicule.

{ They listen with ridicule . . . .} (21,1)

{ Who have made of your religion a jest . . . . } (5, 58)

Nothing new in his behavior. The prophets had to deal with it even more often. And God said,

{ We will ourselves sustain you against those who mock you . . . . } (15,97)

And the advice that God gives the believers concerning this ridicule is,

{ Bear up then with patience, as did the steadfast apostles before you, and do not seek to hurry on their doom. }

God will sustain the believers against the ridicule and mockery of the disbelievers.

{ . . . We will Ourself sustain you against those that mock you . . . . }

The disbelievers only have ridicule and mockery and deception, for they learn their arguments from devils.

{ The devils will teach their followers to argue with you. . . . } (6,121)

That is how they plot and scheme against God's revelations,

{ . . . they begin to scheme against our revelations. Say to them, 'More swift is God's plans. } (10,21)

But the Quran tells the true believers to not pay any attention to them, and to just warn them.

{ Pay no heed to them; you shall incur no blame. Exhort them; exhortation helps the true believers. } (51,57)

The disbelievers cannot deceive the true believers. Why?

It is because of God's compassion that the disbelievers are unable to mislead a true believer,

{ But for God's grace and mercy you would have been led astray by some among them. They lead astray none but themselves, nor can they do you any harm. }

RememberAllah said,

".it means seeing that could these verses be from anyother but God?"

Because the Quran says,

{ This Quran could not have been devised by any but God. } (10,38)

And as for the explanation of water that Candy Sunny gave, SchmikBob mocked again saying, Did this really come from the Quran.

But if the Quran had said that water exists as liquid, gas, and solid, then the disbelievers would have said, But this was already known.

And people of ancient days and people who do not know of modern science do not know what Oxygen and Hydrogen are; but the Quran must make sense to everyone.

One of the amazing things about the Quran is that it can describe natural phenomenon that science discovered in a way that makes sense to those who understand science, and also has a yet another true meaning to those who do not understand science.

I have stated this before, but the disbelievers have not comprehended it.

They can not comprehend or understand the signficance of it because God has blocked them from understanding,

{ It is God who has sealed their hearts on account of their unbelief. } (4,156)

Even if the disbelievers see the proofs, God prevents them from understanding it,

{ We have cast veils over their hearts and made them hard of hearing lest they understand your words. They will believe in none of Our proofs, even if they see them, one and all. } (6,25)

And God will not guide them, except to the unending fire and pain.

{ . . . nor will He guide them to any path other than the path of Hell . . . . } (4,169)

But God does not wrong them by not blocking their understanding because they chose to be barred. They corrupted their own souls, and they wronged themselves; and so the evil of their disbelief ricocheted back against themselves.

{ . . . God did not wrong them, but they wronged themselves: the evil which they did recoiled upon them . . . . }

I had said to Matt Browne,

"Wait until the Day of Judgment when the truth is laid bare . . . ."

because the Quran states,

{ . . . a scourge awaits the wrongdoers, though most of them do not know it. Therefore wait for the judgment of your Lord} (52,48)

I knew better than to try to convince him because those who have forsaken their own souls will never understand.

{ Those who have forfeited their souls will never have faith. } ( 6,13)

He had already shown that he had made up his mind when he started off by claiming that Islam was false. There is nothing I or any one but God can do to help him.

{ You cannot help a man if God intends to try him. Those whose hearts God does not intend to purify shall be held up to shame in this world, and in the world to come a grevious punishment awaits them. } (5,42)

It is like they are in the darkness while unable to hear or ask for help.

{ Deaf and dumb are those that deny Our revelations: they blunder about in darkness. . . . . } (6,39)

And God will let them blunder about in the darkness of their wrongdoing of disbelief.

{ . . . We will let them blunder about in their wrongdoing. } (6,110)

Matt Browne said,

"He created the story himself "

Which is just like,

{ The disbelievers say, This Quran is nothing but a lie that Muhammad has invented . . . . } (25,4)

To which God says,

{ If they say, "He has invented it himself," say to them, "Bring me one chapter like it. Call on whom you may besides God to help you, if what you say be true." } (10:38)

Knowledge is given. God will give knowledge to a sincere person, and that sincere person can choose to accept the knowledge and then become a believer.

Believers are,

{. . . those who have been given knowledge . . . . } (16,27)

The revelation and the knowledge are two different things.

To the believers, God says that he has revealed, AND he has taught,

{ God has revealed to you the Book and His wisdom AND taught you what you did not know before. } (4,113)

So, just having the revelation is not the same as having knowledge.

The believers receive both the revelation AND are taught the knowledge.

Believers are led to the knowledge and given the knowledge.

{ He will lead them by His will from darkness to the light . . . . } (5,16)

And God guides them to His path.

{ For they have been guided to the path of God. } (22:24)

And the more a person chooses to follow the guidance, the further God will guide them.

{ God will increase His guidance to those that follow the guidance . . . . } (19,76)

I had said in a previous post,

"Only then might your intellectual efforts lead you further into faith and wisdom."

because the Quran says,

{ . . .  We have made plain to you Our revelations. Strive to understand them. } (3,118)

Which means that those who have been guided to understand that these are indeed God's revelations must then use intellectual effort to understand them deeper and further.

The revelations are made plain to people who think with honesty and depth.

{  . . . We have made plain our revelations to thinking people. } (6,127)

And God wants us to think and reflect upon the Quran.

{ Will they not ponder on the Quran . . . . } (4,82)

Whereas the revelations are used to teach the believers, the same revelations are used to confuse the disbelievers.

{ That which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase the wickedness and disbelief of many of them. But do not grieve for the disbelievers. } (5,68)

God could have guided them if He had wanted.

{ Had God pleased, He would have given them guidance, one and all. } (6,36)

As I have said before, knowledge of God is granted by God to the sincere; and the confusion of God is inflicted on those who have corrupted their own hearts.

{ . . . God confounds whom He will, and guides to the right path whom He pleases. } (6,39)

Moses says the same thing in his prayer to God,

{ . . . to confound whom You willed, and to guide whom you pleased . . . . } (7,156)

God opens the hearts of the pure, and closes the hearts of the self-corrupted.

{ If God intends to guide a person, He opens his bosom to Islam. But if He pleases to confound him, He makes his bosom small and narrow as though he were climbing up to the sky. } (6,126)

By the way, this true on a literal level also because rapid ascension does cause the chest to tighten due to G-forces. There, you have another miraculous prediction of what science would later discover; but the disbelievers will not take heed.

And even if God lifted the disbelievers into heaven, they would still just make excuses like saying that they were hallucinating.

{Even if we opened for the disbelievers a gate in heaven and they ascended through it, higher and higher, still they would say, 'our eyes were dazzled, we must have been bewitched. } (15,17)

And even angels and all proofs arranged as they asked for here would not let them believe.

{ . . . Even if We sent the angels down to them, and caused the dead to speak with them, and ranged all things in front of them, they would still not believe unless God willed otherwise. } (6,111)