" The Quran does not give accurate examples of natural phenomena that scientists discovered later. "

LOL, that is amazing how disbelievers can deny what is right in front of their eyes.

Quran 6:111,

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Even if We sent the angels down to them, and caused the dead to speak with them, and ranged all things in front of them, they would still not believe, unless God willed otherwise.

}

No, the accurate examples of natural phenomenon are right there in front of your eyes as are the other proofs, but you can not see it.

Quran 6:110

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We will turn away their hearts and eyes from the truth because they refused to believe in it at first. And so we shall leave them in their overweening arrogance, blindly stumbling to and fro.

}

You accuse Muslims of arrogance, but there God is saying who is truly arrogant. According to God, the arrogant are those who deny the proofs of Islam because they have blinded themselves with denial.

You say Muslims like me are arrogant. God says that those who deny his proofs are arrogant. Who shall I believe? A mere mortal or God? I shall believe God.

Do not say that the proofs are not there. Rather say the truth, that you are unable to see the proofs.

Quran 6:24-25

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. . . they will deceive themselves . . . We have cast veils over their hearts and made them hard of hearing lest they understand your words. They will believe in none of Our signs, even if they see them, one and all.

}

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"The Isra and Mi'raj are the most important myths in Islam."

That's interesting that you have no problem stating that beliefs in Islam are myths, but then claim emotional injury when Christianity is called false.

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“A problem only arises if followers of one religion claim that the spiritual truths of their own religion is the only truth. Modern Christians don't make this claim anymore.”

Uh, actually I’m hearing modern Christians claim that Islam is a false religion very frequently.

Preacher Franklin Graham called Islam a religion of evil.

I heard preacher Chriswell refer to Islam as a “curse.”

I’ve heard them refer to Muhammad as a pervert and demon possessed.

Another modern Christian burned the Quran in public.

But that does not make me want to fight them.

Quran 6:33-35

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We know too well that what they say grieves you. It is not you they are disbelieving; the evil-doers deny God’s own revelations.

}

It just makes me want to debate them.

Quran 46:35

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Bear with them in patience . . . .

}

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"...there's nothing more hurtful than labeling Christianity and Hinduism as false religions."

First, I'll just have to live with that because labeling Christianity as false is part of Islam.

Quran 5:72-73,

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Unbelievers are those who say that God is the Messiah, the son of Mary

. . .

Unbelievers are those who say that God is one of three

 }

Quran 3:85,

{ And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him. }

Quran 46:5

{ Who is more in error than the ones who pray to idols . . . ? }

I'm just repeating what God has revealed.

If you don't like the revelation, then you can complain to God, astaghfurillah.

Second, as far as words, your Western secularism is full of insults against Islam and Muslims (e.g. Muslim men treat women badly, etc).

So what?

I laugh at such insults because I know what the truth is. We shall see on the Day of Judgment.

But for someone representing Western secularism to complain about insults coming from Islam in the context of the Wests' insults against Islam and Muslims is doubly laughable in its hypocrisy.

Third, you have no problem labeling the beliefs of Muslims as myths (implying falseness).

Fourth, you don't seem to really believe in Christianity yourself other than as just poetry and fable, so you yourself see it as false.

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"It's the kind of words that undermine world peace."

What undermines peace are things like the greed to covet oil such as the USA’s bombing of Iraq's water treatment facilities in 1991 and sanctions which led to wide spread cholera and other diseases which murdered 500,000 Iraqi children in just a few years.

That’s the sort of thing that undermines peace.

US secretary of state Madeline Albright later told Leslie Stahl that it was “worth it.”

Saying that Christianity and Hinduism are false just opens the door for polite debate.

To claim that it starts war in light of the things that really start wars is categorically false.

{ God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have not made war on your religion or driven you from your homes } Quran 60:9 

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"It reeks of Muslim narcissism and arrogance."

We shall see on the Day of Judgment who was arrogant.

Will it be those Muslims who humbly accepted God's message, or those who denied it while pridefully living in opulence built on plundering the world through centuries of imperialism and neo-colonialism while narcissistically imagining themselves as humane and enlightened?

God has revealed in the Quran those who will be truly judged as arrogant. It will not be up to you or me to decide. It is God who will decide who was arrogant. George W. Bush said he was the decider. No, it is God who is the Decider. Not you, not Bush, not me.

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"Religious narcissism impedes modernity. "

That deference and apotheosis of modernity (Western secularism) and the automatic assumption that "modernity" is the right way is itself arrogant.

I haven't seen anything more narcissistic than Western secularism’s image of itself as the right way and humane while it debases itself in debauchery that is a throwback to ancient paganism, child sacrifice through abortion, every type of deviance, high-tech piracy through global imperialism, flattering one's self of charity after causing massive suffering through neo-colonialist looting, etc.

I'm sure Western secularism seems right to you.

{  Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings.  } Quran 6:108

And, when you say to the unbelievers to stop doing evil in the world, they say, we only do good.

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{ Open-minded mature Muslims have evolved beyond that. }

So you get to decide what is mature, and you're complaining about Muslim arrogance. hmmmm.

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{ They don't think in categories like true and false religions. }

Islam itself contains the idea of true and false religions. There is no separation.

Moral relativity is just satanic deception.

God has revealed that only Islam is right:

Quran  6:153

{ This path of mine is straight. Follow it and do not follow other paths. }

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{ They appreciate diversity without hurting each others feelings.}

Well, it looks like God has hurt your feelings in His revelations.

You may complain to Him on the Day of Judgment and ask Him to apologize, astaghfurillah.

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"I can recommend . . .  Paul Davies."

Davies is already on my list.

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“A true follower of Jesus will do everything to promote world peace and choose his words wisely avoiding to hurt the feelings of other people.”

Yeah, right. That’s why he said in Luke 19:27 to slay whoever did not accept him as lord (and no, it was not part of the parable. The parable was over when he said that.)

And that’s why he referred to the Pharisee as serpents and sons of serpents.

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“Telling a Buddhist that he or she is wrong and a follower of a false religion accomplishes absolutely nothing. “

And yet you have no problem telling Muslims that our beliefs about scientific explanations in the Quran are false.

And you have no problem referring to our beliefs as mere myths and fables.

Quran 6:26-27

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When they come to argue with you the ubelievers say: ‘This is nothing but the fables of the ancients.’ . . . If you could see them when they are set before the Fire!

}

But telling the false religions that they are false does accomplish something.

It accomplishes fulfilling God’s command to warn them that God has revealed that they are wrong.

Quran 51:55

{ Pay no heed to them. Exhort them. Exhorting helps the true believers. }

For example, God has commanded us to tell the Jews also that they are wrong.

Quran 62:7

{ Say to the Jews . . . if you alone are God’s friends . . . God knows the wrong doers. }

God has commanded us to tell the Jews and Christians and idol worshippers that they are wrong. It does not matter that they will or will not believe us. We are to warn them all the same.

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 “Is there a proof for who is right?”

There is proof for those whom God will guide. There is no proof for those who have chosen to not see the proofs.

Quran 52:44-45

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Even if they saw a part of heaven falling, they would say, it is just a bunch of clouds.

So leave them alone until they meet their Day when they will faint with horror.

}

I love this site !

Not only do we Muslims get to point out the miracles of the Quran such as the descriptions of natural phenomenon long before modern science discovered them, but in addition to that we also get to point out another truth in the Quran: the perfect prediction of how the disbelievers will react when confronted with the signs of the truth.

The Quran predicts that they will be blind to it, and behold, even when you put it right in front of their eyes, they absolutely can not see it and say that it is not there.

Praise be to God.

The disbelievers have inadvertently helped us point out another miracle of the Quran: the perfect prediction of their blindness to the obvious.

That’s amazing if you think about it. I would have thought that when you put something in front of somebody’s eyes, they will have to acknowledge it; but just as the Quran predicted, they absolutely can not see it!

This site is also useful because it allows for pointing out the deceptions of the disbelievers.

So this site is useful for:

1. Pointing out the descriptions of nature in the Quran that scientists discovered later.

2. Pointing out the accuracy of the prediction of the Quran of the blindness of the disbelievers.

3. Pointing out the deceptive tactics of the disbelievers. 

If the disbelievers were not here, we Muslims could only have the first and would not have the opportunity for the second and third above.

At first, I thought about reporting Matt Browne to the site administrators for the insulting comments calling Muslims arrogant and narcissistic; but then I thought to myself, “wait a minute, this guy is very useful to help me point out to my Muslim brethren the kinds of deceptions that disbelievers use, just like Schmikbob and the other guy were useful by pointing out their contradictions and insincerity.”

He complains that referring to them as disbelievers is offensive after he gets through talking about Muslim arrogance and Muslim narcissism

Do you think he really cares about hurt feelings?

The Quran refers to them as disbelievers and he is just trying to shut us up from repeating the Quran.

The response to him should be, if you take offense to how God has described you in his revelations, then you may ask Him to apologize and recant. Only then will we stop saying it.

Here is another example. On one hand he says that he is against telling people that their beliefs are wrong; but then he adamantly tells us Muslims that our beliefs about the scientific accuracies in the Quran are wrong.

What can we glean from that? He doesn’t believe what he is himself saying. He is just trying to get us Muslims to be silent because he doesn’t like what we are saying; so he is using every deception he can find to accomplish that.

Here is another example. In one sentence he says that he does not say that beliefs in Islam are myths. In the very next sentence he says that the Quran (the main source of beliefs in Islam) contains myths. Seriously?

He claims that mixing science and scripture is an insult to both. Do you think he really cares about that, or that he is just trying to shut us up?

At least the Florida pastor who burnt the Quran expressed his true feelings. Give me a thousand like him before the one that says let’s be nice from one side of his mouth then mutters insults under his breath from the other side of his mouth like calling me delusional. 

Why do you think Saladin gave king Richard a spare horse after Richard's horse was struck down in battle? Because Richard was honest about his intent. King Richard didn't march into the holy lands with an army saying, I come in peace.

Bush said he wanted to liberate Iraq from Saddam while his corporate masters wanted to loot the oil. Similarily, Matt Brown says he wants to save us from delusion, but his devil masters wants to loot our faith. Lawrence went to Muslim lands saying he wanted to be friends, but was actually sent to further British imperialist policies. Matt Brown says he wants to be friends, but is actually sent to further Satan's imperialism of disbelief. The result of Lawrence was that Palestine was lost and the British RAF dropped mustard gas on Kurdish villages in the 1920's and machine gunned the survivors who fled. The result of a Matt Brown is eternal hell. I'd prefer a thousand Richards over a single Lawrence or Bush.

Now Matt is saying that if the Quran had explanations of scientific phenomenon, then Muslims would have made contributions to the sciences, as if that is a good point.

First of all, the scientific descriptions are already there in the Quran. There is no point in discovering what is already discovered.

Second, just because he doesn’t know about Muslim knowledge, he assumes it is not there. An ancient Muslim Persian poet wrote, “delle har zarre ke beshkafi, aftabesh dar miyan bini.” which means, “when the tiniest thing is broken, its sun becomes visible.” There was a massive bath in Iran which could be warmed by a single candle. The British tore it apart but couldn’t figure out how it worked.

Third, note how he deceptively tries to hide Muslim contributions to science from the Golden Age of Islam (750 to 1250 AD), before the devastating Mongol invasions that built towers of human heads. (The Mongols conquered Persia around 1256). He starts his question from 1350. Do you think that is an accident? No, he understands his tactics of deception. Cunning, smiling, and rubbing his hands.

Fourth, Muslims didn’t have a serious scientific community. The lack of science is a statement on the ineptitude and lack of motivation and lack of interest of us Muslims, not of the Quran. You can lead someone to water, but you can’t make him drink. Even now we can't get our act together worth squat.

Fifth, those in royal power were just interested in their own opulence and court conspiracies. The Ottoman sultans repressed and outlawed the printing press because they feared it would destabilize their power. The ex-Shah of Iran would imprison inventors whose inventions looked like they might decrease the king’s control. Not only was there no funding or incentive for discoveries, it was dangerous. What would a Muslim do with a discovery? Keep it to himself, or hide it in a poem, or something like that of course.

The reasons go on and on. But better than list them all, hand the question back to him. If your Bible really teaches turning the other cheek, then why did you give small pox infected blankets to the Ottawa? Why did you tell the Arapaho and Cheyenne that they could have peace at the banks of the Colorado river, but then slaughter them at Sand Creek? Is it because your Bible doesn't really teach turning the other cheek, or because you chose to ignore it?

But his question is not useless. It does point out, once again, the sophistry and lack of sincerity in the specious and disingenous arguments of the disbelievers. A devil doesn't have a horn and a tail. He has a twisted smile and crooked words. The horns and tails are not in the physical appearance, but rather in the behavior and in the warm, wormy, words of seduction to disbelief.