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schmikbob
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Posted: 13 December 2010 at 9:26pm

Matt, I am very familiar with what is referred to as 'higher criticism' of the Bible and I am also very aware that the vast majority of Christians are both unaware of and uninterested in its findings. Do you feel the same is true of Islam? That would explain at least some of rememberallah's eccentricities.

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Posted: 14 December 2010 at 8:45am

Bob, this might be the case in the US, because Christian fundamentalism is a widespread phenomenon unfortunately. This is different in Europe. Creationism is almost non-existent over here. And many educated Christians are aware of the method. Yes, Islam needs higher criticism too. People have to understand the historic context the Quran was created. But there are so few liberal Muslims. I think they are afraid of all the hardliners.

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Posted: 14 December 2010 at 12:30pm

Originally posted by schmikbob

Matt, I am very familiar with what is referred to as 'higher criticism' of the Bible and I am also very aware that the vast majority of Christians are both unaware of and uninterested in its findings. Do you feel the same is true of Islam? That would explain at least some of rememberallah's eccentricities.

peace be on you,

what will explain your eccentricities bob? perhaps it is you who doesnt know the truth, dont be so confdent on your research and analyses. other people around the world have brains too. i have become a believer after being an athiest, i have made my nature my criterion to judge things and stand where i am standing today. you seem to be too certain, thats where lies your un-intelligence. certainties are based on probabilities, and in department of probability, in none of the posts on kuran & science you have been able to disprove what i have said.

may God guide all

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Posted: 14 December 2010 at 9:03pm

rememberallah, I'm afraid that disproving your statement is not how science and the scientific method works. Your hypothesis that the Quran contains scientifically miraculous statements needs facts to back it up. You have provided none, only opinions as to what certain verses mean. These are not facts. Let me say it one more time, for emphasis. Your opinion as to the meaning of Quranic verses do not constitute facts and facts are what you need to prove anything including your assertion that the Quran contains foreknowledge of modern science. It is not up to me to disprove anything. You are the one with the theory. Perhaps you should read up on the scientific method and logic before you seek to lecture on science and probability.

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Posted: 15 December 2010 at 10:40pm

go through my initial topic starter, it only has facts.
peace be on you.

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Posted: 17 December 2010 at 7:35am

The conclusion of your opening remarks were "This is a scientific fact which could not had been known 1400 yrs ago and is a clear indication in favor of the Quran’s claim that it is a revelation from God the Creator of the heavens and the earth who knows all the secrets of the universe." This is merely your opinion. The problem is that you do not know the difference between an opinion and a fact. Please see my last post.

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Posted: 17 December 2010 at 9:29pm

Originally posted by rememberallah

Quran {21:30}-"and we created every living thing out of water"
Quran {24:45}-"and the God has created every animal from water"
Quran {25:54}-"it is he who has created man from water"

And yet in {30:20}, among other passages, the Quran says "He creates you out of dust".

So is it dust, or is it water?

Addeenul ‘Aql – Religion is intellect.

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Posted: 18 December 2010 at 12:28pm

I am totally Agree!!!

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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 13 December 2010 at 9:26pm
	Matt, I am very familiar with what is referred to as 'higher criticism' of the Bible and I am also very aware that the vast majority of Christians are both unaware of and uninterested in its findings. Do you feel the same is true of Islam? That would explain at least some of rememberallah's eccentricities.
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 773	Posted: 14 December 2010 at 8:45am
	Bob, this might be the case in the US, because Christian fundamentalism is a widespread phenomenon unfortunately. This is different in Europe. Creationism is almost non-existent over here. And many educated Christians are aware of the method. Yes, Islam needs higher criticism too. People have to understand the historic context the Quran was created. But there are so few liberal Muslims. I think they are afraid of all the hardliners. Edited by Matt Browne - 14 December 2010 at 8:46am
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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rememberallah Senior Member Joined: 08 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 158	Posted: 14 December 2010 at 12:30pm
	*Originally posted by schmikbob* Matt, I am very familiar with what is referred to as 'higher criticism' of the Bible and I am also very aware that the vast majority of Christians are both unaware of and uninterested in its findings. Do you feel the same is true of Islam? That would explain at least some of rememberallah's eccentricities. peace be on you, what will explain your eccentricities bob? perhaps it is you who doesnt know the truth, dont be so confdent on your research and analyses. other people around the world have brains too. i have become a believer after being an athiest, i have made my nature my criterion to judge things and stand where i am standing today. you seem to be too certain, thats where lies your un-intelligence. certainties are based on probabilities, and in department of probability, in none of the posts on kuran & science you have been able to disprove what i have said. may God guide all
	The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 14 December 2010 at 9:03pm
	rememberallah, I'm afraid that disproving your statement is not how science and the scientific method works. Your hypothesis that the Quran contains scientifically miraculous statements needs facts to back it up. You have provided none, only opinions as to what certain verses mean. These are not facts. Let me say it one more time, for emphasis. Your opinion as to the meaning of Quranic verses do not constitute facts and facts are what you need to prove anything including your assertion that the Quran contains foreknowledge of modern science. It is not up to me to disprove anything. You are the one with the theory. Perhaps you should read up on the scientific method and logic before you seek to lecture on science and probability.
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rememberallah Senior Member Joined: 08 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 158	Posted: 15 December 2010 at 10:40pm
	go through my initial topic starter, it only has facts. peace be on you.
	The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 17 December 2010 at 7:35am
	The conclusion of your opening remarks were "This is a scientific fact which could not had been known 1400 yrs ago and is a clear indication in favor of the Quran’s claim that it is a revelation from God the Creator of the heavens and the earth who knows all the secrets of the universe." This is merely your opinion. The problem is that you do not know the difference between an opinion and a fact. Please see my last post.
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1408	Posted: 17 December 2010 at 9:29pm
	*Originally posted by rememberallah* Quran {21:30}-"and we created every living thing out of water" Quran {24:45}-"and the God has created every animal from water" Quran {25:54}-"it is he who has created man from water" And yet in {30:20}, among other passages, the Quran says "He creates you out of dust". So is it dust, or is it water?
	Addeenul ‘Aql – Religion is intellect.
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tredding73 Starter Joined: 18 December 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Posted: 18 December 2010 at 12:28pm
	I am totally Agree!!!
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