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Posted: 29 December 2010 at 12:05am

Originally posted by schmikbob

rememberallah, I find that you do have a basic grasp of science and even the science of the 7th century. However, I also find that you have a delusional understanding of what the Quran says. By the way, "compatible with science" is not some sort of holy grail. Moby Dick is compatible with science but is an account of fiction. Maybe you should move away from that mantra.

Aren't you being rude with gentle brother when you can't make a good rebuttal?
The reference of holy grail and Moby Dick is utter nonsense as far the subject goes!

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Posted: 29 December 2010 at 7:42am

As usual Sign Reader, you would rather resort to ad hominem attacks than address the issues. The fact that someone is a Christian is irrelevant to his argument as is the fact that I am an agnostic. Maybe you should address the points made instead of resorting to this blatant logical fallacy. Also, since you don't understand my argument against the term "compatible with science" let me help you. The holy grail reference is a metaphor and is a figure of speech in the English language. It refers to deliberately making something appear less important than someone else has made it out to be. Moby Dick is a book and a classic at that. In it you can find all sorts of nautical and weather related references and references to marine life. If I wished, I could say that Herman Melville (the author of Moby Dick) was prescient when he wrote this in the 1850s and then proceed to show how there might be deeper meaning in certain phrases. You are correct that a better reference might have been another story written 1400 or so years ago like Homer's Iliad. However, you are incorrect in saying the reference is utter nonsense.

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Posted: 29 December 2010 at 6:56pm

i dont believe any darwin theorem at all, it is so st**id..

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Posted: 30 December 2010 at 7:30am

Uniquepos, what an astute and well thought out analysis. You will fit right in here. However, perhaps you could expand your thought just a little.

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Posted: 31 December 2010 at 9:34am

Sign Reader, the Wikipedia article exists. There seems to be some problems with quotation marks in links. Search for

"Qur'an and science"

in Wikipedia and you will get there. The article begins with

The contemporary Islamic discourse on the Qur’an and science abounds with assertions of the relationship between the two. This presumed relationship is construed in a variety of ways, the most common of which are the efforts to prove the divine nature of the Qur’an through modern science.

The relevant part is this:

The search for Qur'anic references to and prophecies of modern scientific discoveries has become a "popular trend" in some Muslim societies; as a manifestation of the popularity of the scientific miracles belief, the Muslim World League at Makkah formed a committee named Committee on the Scientific Miracles of the Qur?a-n and the Sunna to investigate the relation between Qur'an and science, headed by Zaghloul El-Naggar.

According to some recent studies of the relationship between science education and religion, one of the ways in which science education in strongly Islamic societies is impacted by religiosity is when "acceptable" scientific discoveries can be found to have been anticipated or "identified" by the Qur'an, with consequent implications for what is taught and not taught.

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Posted: 31 December 2010 at 9:35am

Originally posted by uniquepos

i dont believe any darwin theorem at all, it is so st**id..

What do you mean by Darwin theorem?

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Posted: 31 March 2011 at 5:49pm

Asalam a Alaikum,

Brothers is there is any clue of clashing of earth and star in 2012 as many scientist are saying or what is the current condition of solar system , is there is any sign of such thing in solar system that we are going close to disaster?

Rehan

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Posted: 31 March 2011 at 10:16pm

Salam

It's just a movie. The mainstream scintists do not believe this will happen.

Edited by semar - 31 March 2011 at 10:16pm

Salam/Peace,
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 29 December 2010 at 12:05am
	*Originally posted by schmikbob* rememberallah, I find that you do have a basic grasp of science and even the science of the 7th century. However, I also find that you have a delusional understanding of what the Quran says. By the way, "compatible with science" is not some sort of holy grail. Moby Dick is compatible with science but is an account of fiction. Maybe you should move away from that mantra. Aren't you being rude with gentle brother when you can't make a good rebuttal? The reference of holy grail and Moby Dick is utter nonsense as far the subject goes!
	Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 29 December 2010 at 7:42am
	As usual Sign Reader, you would rather resort to ad hominem attacks than address the issues. The fact that someone is a Christian is irrelevant to his argument as is the fact that I am an agnostic. Maybe you should address the points made instead of resorting to this blatant logical fallacy. Also, since you don't understand my argument against the term "compatible with science" let me help you. The holy grail reference is a metaphor and is a figure of speech in the English language. It refers to deliberately making something appear less important than someone else has made it out to be. Moby Dick is a book and a classic at that. In it you can find all sorts of nautical and weather related references and references to marine life. If I wished, I could say that Herman Melville (the author of Moby Dick) was prescient when he wrote this in the 1850s and then proceed to show how there might be deeper meaning in certain phrases. You are correct that a better reference might have been another story written 1400 or so years ago like Homer's Iliad. However, you are incorrect in saying the reference is utter nonsense.
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uniquepos Starter Joined: 29 December 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Posted: 29 December 2010 at 6:56pm
	i dont believe any darwin theorem at all, it is so st**id..
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 30 December 2010 at 7:30am
	Uniquepos, what an astute and well thought out analysis. You will fit right in here. However, perhaps you could expand your thought just a little.
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 31 December 2010 at 9:34am
	Sign Reader, the Wikipedia article exists. There seems to be some problems with quotation marks in links. Search for "Qur'an and science" in Wikipedia and you will get there. The article begins with The contemporary Islamic discourse on the Qur’an and science abounds with assertions of the relationship between the two. This presumed relationship is construed in a variety of ways, the most common of which are the efforts to prove the divine nature of the Qur’an through modern science. The relevant part is this: The search for Qur'anic references to and prophecies of modern scientific discoveries has become a "popular trend" in some Muslim societies; as a manifestation of the popularity of the scientific miracles belief, the Muslim World League at Makkah formed a committee named Committee on the Scientific Miracles of the Qur?a-n and the Sunna to investigate the relation between Qur'an and science, headed by Zaghloul El-Naggar. According to some recent studies of the relationship between science education and religion, one of the ways in which science education in strongly Islamic societies is impacted by religiosity is when "acceptable" scientific discoveries can be found to have been anticipated or "identified" by the Qur'an, with consequent implications for what is taught and not taught.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 31 December 2010 at 9:35am
	*Originally posted by uniquepos* i dont believe any darwin theorem at all, it is so st**id.. What do you mean by Darwin theorem?
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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qazi rehan Starter Joined: 12 March 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9	Posted: 31 March 2011 at 5:49pm
	Asalam a Alaikum, Brothers is there is any clue of clashing of earth and star in 2012 as many scientist are saying or what is the current condition of solar system , is there is any sign of such thing in solar system that we are going close to disaster? Rehan
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semar Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 11 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1231	Posted: 31 March 2011 at 10:16pm
	Salam It's just a movie. The mainstream scintists do not believe this will happen. Edited by semar - 31 March 2011 at 10:16pm
	Salam/Peace, Semar The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full" "1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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