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Matt Browne
Male Christian Senior Member
Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755 |
Posted: 06 November 2010 at 7:35am |
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What this teacher did is totally unacceptable. But modern Muslims capable of critical thinking need to understand the worries in Europe. Islamism (political Islam) poses a real threat to modern European societies. We need 21st century thinking to deal with 21st century challenges. We don't want people who seem stuck in 7th century thinking have any political power in Europe. Sharia law has no place in Europe. We want to preserve our democratic values and the Age of Enlightenment. And we hope that more moderate Muslim speak up and help us keep both militant and non-militant Islamists in check. Many see veils and headscarves as a political symbol of rising Islamism.
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schmikbob
Male Agnostic Senior Member
Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 2:03am |
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Of course walking behind someone is not subservience. Subservience is being required to walk behind someone by law.
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Chrysalis
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Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 3:36am |
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Originally posted by Matt Browne What this teacher did is totally unacceptable. But modern Muslims That "but" says it all... We need 21st century thinking to deal with 21st century
challenges. We don't want people who seem stuck in 7th century thinking
have any political power in Europe. What exactly is 21st century thinking? Thinking is a relative term. And what is 7th century thinking? What this lady did by attacking a woman wearing a niqab (that to her represented 'islamism' whatever that is) ; will that be considered 21st century thinking or 7th century thinking ? Sharia law has no place in Europe.
Says you. Shariah law has a place anywhere in the world as long as there are muslims in that community who want to practice it. It should not be a concern for Non-Muslims since it does not infringe on their rights or interests in anyway. And that applies to any sort of religious law. Whether it be Christian or Judaic law. If a community wants to practice a certain code that does not infringe the rights of others... they have a right to, and should. |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Kindly
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Joined: 30 September 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 28 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 1:34pm |
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@ Crysalis
I so agree. |
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schmikbob
Male Agnostic Senior Member
Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 8:36pm |
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Chrysalis, you have written, "If a community wants to practice a certain code that does not infringe the rights of others... they have a right to, and should." It sounds to me as though you think Islamic Law should supercede a nations laws. Is this correct?? For example, do you feel that the followers of Islam in the United States should be able to take more than one wife??? After all, they are only affecting other members of Islam. Or, as another example, do you feel that apostates should be dealt with according to Islamic Law???
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Sign*Reader
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Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 10:22pm |
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Originally posted by Matt Browne What this teacher did is totally unacceptable. But modern Muslims capable of critical thinking need to understand the worries in Europe. Islamism (political Islam) poses a real threat to modern European societies. My understanding was that you are an Americano living in Europe, How a Minority can effect the change in a democracy? We need 21st century thinking to deal with 21st century challenges. What are 21st century challenges living lavishly on borrowed money, what else? May be you Islam can teach 21st century thinkers something that will save their hide in the long run...If not Ho Jintao will sure teach something for sure... LOL We don't want people who seem stuck in 7th century thinking have any political power in Europe. Oh really, You can't be serious in saying this that folks packed in projects will achieve a political power in Europe! Sharia law has no place in Europe. How two set of laws can be enforced together is beyond me, unless they get to become the ruling parties! We want to preserve our democratic values and the Age of Enlightenment. Haven't heard otherwise. Stealing money through banking is also part of the Age of Enlightenment & democratic values...LOL And we hope that more moderate Muslim speak up and help us keep both militant and non-militant Islamists in check. Just don't throw this red herring in...You have lot bigger problem than Islamists...It your own money system that will get you sooner than later! Read the following! The War That Dares Not Speak Its NameMany see veils and headscarves as a political symbol of rising Islamism. Your using of "Islamism" is derogatory...There is no ism after Islam mind you...If you have problem with that you need to go n get educated first! I think this is utter nonsensical paranoia! There would always be a spectrum of practice in every religion e.g.' look at the Judaism from orthodox to conservative to reformed and they don't look alike outwardly! What is wrong with some Muslim being an orthodox in looks? Would you dare to tell that to an orthodox Jew that he doesn't look the way the rest of the crowd looks? Edited by Sign*Reader - 08 November 2010 at 12:12am |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Sign*Reader
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Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352 |
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 11:44pm |
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Here is a very interesting article on the similar stuff..Do read to the end the bigotry and hypocrisy that has infected the so called enlightened minds does become manifested..LOL
A Tide of TurbansObama in IndiaOn
November 6, before the election dust settles in the United States,
President Obama will arrive in Mumbai, India. He will go to the Taj
Mahal Hotel, the site of the November 2008 terrorist attack. The Obama
team will commandeer the hotel. Bill Clinton’s favorite restaurant in
India is the Bukhara, in Delhi’s Maurya Hotel, where there is an
overstuffed platter that retails in his name (over $100). The Taj has a
restaurant more to Obama’s taste, the Masala Kraft, Indian food cooked
in a minimalist way, with low oil. No flamboyant tastes. It is his
style. Vijay Prashad is the George
and Martha Kellner Chair of South Asian History and Director of
International Studies at Trinity College, Hartford, CT His most recent
book, The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World, won the Muzaffar Ahmad Book Prize for 2009. The Swedish and French editions are just out. He can be reached at: vijay.prashad@trincoll.edu Edited by Sign*Reader - 07 November 2010 at 11:50pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Chrysalis
Senior Member
Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031 |
Posted: 08 November 2010 at 6:10am |
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Originally posted by schmikbob Chrysalis, you have written, "If a community wants to practice a certain code that does not infringe the rights of others... they have a right to, and should." It sounds to me as though you think Islamic Law should supercede a nations laws. Is this correct?? Is there something wrong with the statement I made? Is this not in line with Western ideals itself? As for your question, to which nation are you referring to? A Muslim nation or a non-muslim one? For example, do you feel that the followers of Islam in the United States should be able to take more than one wife??? After all, they are only affecting other members of Islam. Do I feel that it is USA's duty to make such a law, or should Muslims expect them to - no. If Muslims are a minority in a community ruled by non-Muslims, they should abide by their laws, norms and respect them. If the laws/norms are a direct threat to them being able to practice their religion - they should immigrate. However do I feel that it would be nice if US govt allows Muslims to do so - yes ofcourse.. why not. Again, this is because US ideals itself dictate that citizens should be allowed to live whatever way they want. After all, if you cannot legally prevent adultery or mistresses in USA, why should you single out people who marry more than one? If the govt wants to closely monitor the process and have their checks & balances - sure go ahead, that would be even better. Or, as another example, do you feel that apostates should be dealt with according to Islamic Law??? In the USA? no. Because we cannot expect a non-muslim government to practically carry out Islamic responsibilities. I am for the US government allowing Muslims to live the way they want as long as it doesnt effect others . However I am not suggesting that USA has to apply each and every aspect of Islamic law. It is just not possible when you are a non-muslim state. Nor can we expect the USA to take up the responsibilities of an Islamic Government. Edited by Chrysalis - 08 November 2010 at 6:13am |
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