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bullet Posted: 09 November 2010 at 9:17pm
 
schmikbob: I also have no problem when other people comment.  However when people like abuayisha and Sign Reader comment (as in this case) they have a tendency to get completely off topic and post non-relavent anti everyone screeds.

 
I see. And didn't you yourself derail the topic from Niqab to Apostasy & Polygyny? Nobody called you out for that...

Originally posted by schmikbob

Chrysalis, you have written, "If a community wants to practice a certain code that does not infringe the rights of others... they have a right to, and should."  It sounds to me as though you think Islamic Law should supercede a nations laws.  Is this correct??  For example, do you feel that the followers of Islam in the United States should be able to take more than one wife???  After all, they are only affecting other members of Islam.  Or, as another example, do you feel that apostates should be dealt with according to Islamic Law???  



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bullet Posted: 09 November 2010 at 9:26pm
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Who says adultery is or should be the business of the government?  As long as divorce law discourages adultery monetarily and with regards to custody of children that's good enough for the majority of people.  Do you feel that it is appropriate for someone to be tossed in jail for adultery?


But didn't you just give me an e.g. of how adultery can become the business of the government?

Chrysalis, If you have ever sat through or read through transcripts of divorce proceedings as a result of infidelity you would absolutely know that the party that committed adultery will lose and suffer financially and with regards to visitation rights with children.  I would say that those are both definitive legal repercussions.  Also, in the US military, adultery is a court martial offense.


Adultery became a matter of public/political concern in the Bill Clinton trial, or that John Edwards guy. Why the hypocrisy? Why is adultery an offence in some cases and not in others? Unlike western governments, Islam has a consistent & blanket policy on adultery. Thats better than having a confused, hypocritical attitude towards it.
 
Are you are saying that in Iran or Saudi Arabia, for example, it would be fine for someone to be a practicing member of Islam, then decide it was a bunch of hogwash,and decide to practice Hinduism or Christianity instead and the state would have no position on this. 


Iran/Saudia is not equal to Islam.

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bullet Posted: 09 November 2010 at 9:49pm
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bullet Posted: 10 November 2010 at 5:49pm
Chrysalis, in refering to adultery you say "Islam has a consistent & blanket policy on adultery. Thats better than having a confused, hypocritical attitude towards it."  I disagree.  It depends on whether the punishment fits the crime or if adultery should even be a crime. 
 
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bullet Posted: 10 November 2010 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by schmikbob

Chrysalis, in refering to adultery you say "Islam has a consistent & blanket policy on adultery. Thats better than having a confused, hypocritical attitude towards it."  I disagree.  It depends on whether the punishment fits the crime or if adultery should even be a crime. 
 


You are entitled to disagree of course, that is your opinin as Schmikbob.

However all major world religions, as well as a majority of people see adultery as an abhor-able social evil, which should be discouraged and deterred by law. Islamic Laws work on a holistic level. While the laws in place are severe, they also highlight the immense burden of proof required to prosecute an alleged adulterer. At the end of the day, it is not easy to prosecute someone for adultery.


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bullet Posted: 10 November 2010 at 7:13pm

Agreed, with one exception.  I think Christianity abhors adultery but there has never been a push to make it illegal with a potential prison sentence for it, at least in the US.  I think Christians see it more as an issue between people and their God rather than people and their government.  I think Islam generally doesn't make that distinction.

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bullet Posted: 10 November 2010 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by schmikbob

Agreed, with one exception.  I think Christianity abhors adultery but there has never been a push to make it illegal with a potential prison sentence for it, at least in the US.  I think Christians see it more as an issue between people and their God rather than people and their government.  I think Islam generally doesn't make that distinction.



With all due respect to Christians, they don't really practice/apply their religious laws that much. Especially when compared to Jews & Muslims. So it is more so a matter of dilution of religion.

However such laws do exist, such as

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."


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bullet Posted: 10 November 2010 at 8:42pm
...and thy neighbor's wife becomes the "gateway" to thy neighbor's daughter and ultimately thy neighbor's son as well.
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