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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2010 at 10:35pm
Why do we have to listen to the peanut gallery?
Anyone who doesn't have relative or friend killed in 911 incidents is just contributing to anti Islamic diarrhea ! In reality if there was an issue it was between the Saudis reacting to the American garrisoning of A-rabs! That point has totally been shoved under the rug and creating an unnecessarily difficult  environment for the Americans around Saudi capital. The state department has issued an alert for the Americans to stay put and not go about much as a precautionary measures!
The expat Americans as matter of fact are sick and tired the zionist minions /wingnuts and their minions are making their earning a decent living difficult! ...wish they just get lost...Just imagine the Military Industrial Complex has sold package of almost $60,000,000,000 to Saudis, figure who is fooling who?
Think how many American will be part of it in Saudi?

Edited by Sign*Reader - 14 August 2010 at 10:38pm
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 17 August 2010 at 12:32pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0&feature=player_embedded#!
 
Keith Olbermann Special Comment: There Is No 'Ground Zero Mosque'
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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 18 August 2010 at 1:38pm

Mosque' debate is a red herring

By: Gene Healy
Examiner Columnist
August 16, 2010

By 2012, our national debt will be larger than the entire U.S. economy, according to the International Monetary Fund. So what's on the front burner in Washington these days? Zoning issues in lower Manhattan!

Is it OK to put a Muslim community center close to Ground Zero? I don't know, but local authorities don't seem to mind.

That should settle it, but what Sarah Palin calls the "9/11 mosque" has somehow become a headline-grabbing controversy.

On Friday, President Obama insisted that Muslims have the "same right to practice their religion as anyone else" and can build a mosque near the former World Trade Center site. House minority leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, found the president's comments "deeply troubling." Newt Gingrich accused him of "pandering to radical Islam." (Are there a lot of votes there?)

All this posturing is getting tiresome. The "mosque" controversy isn't about property rights or religious freedom. It's a bogus issue seized by the GOP establishment to distract the rank-and-file from the party's reluctance to shrink government.

From all the caterwauling, you'd think the Park51 group planned to fashion a mock Kaaba out of trade center ashes and mount it atop the wreckage. But you can't see Ground Zero from the Park51 site -- it's separated by two canyonlike city blocks, occupying the former site of a Burlington Coat Factory. "Hallowed ground," indeed.Wink

The plans include building a large mosque -- and a 500-seat theater, swimming pool and food court -- which makes calling it a "mosque" just slightly more accurate than calling a YMCA a "church."

Republicans pose as the party of decentralization, yet here they are reversing Tip O'Neill's dictum, insisting that "all politics is national."

There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around, though. It's insulting to hear New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who has persecuted bar owners for the crime of displaying ashtrays, wax rhapsodic about private property.

Apparently, if you want to pray to Mecca, your rights are sacrosanct, but if you'd like a cigarette at the bar after a hard day's work, then head on out to the stoop, peasant.

And while Obama pats himself on the back for defending religious freedom and private property, it's not clear who he's arguing with. The mainstream Right has renounced "using the machinery of government to stop this project," as National Review's editors put it.

You don't need to buy amateur theologian George W. Bush's line that Islam is "a religion of peace" to recognize that the Park51 controversy is a red herring. With Muslims making up 0.8 percent of the U.S. population, dhimmitude seems a more remote threat than national bankruptcy.

In a recent (pre-campaign?) appearance in Des Moines, Iowa, Newt Gingrich denounced Obama's "secular socialist machine," but, when asked, he declined to specify federal programs he would cut.

You see, cutting government is hard, and often unpopular. No surprise, then, that Boehner would rather play urban planner than embrace Wisconsin Republican Rep. Paul Ryan's "road map" for shrinking middle-class entitlements.

Faced with difficult choices, the alleged party of small government always retreats to the lazy politics of Kulturkampf. Hey, that guy's a "card-carrying member" of the ACLU! Ask me about my flag-burning amendment!

John Cornyn, R-Texas, head of GOP efforts to take back the Senate this fall, plans to make the Park51 "mosque" a major campaign issue. It's all too typical: Feed the rubes conservative identity politics, and, with luck, they'll be too distracted to notice you've grafted a Republican "K Street Project" atop the same old edifice of Big Government.

The establishment Right wants to play the Tea Party movement for suckers. It remains to be seen whether they'll play along.

Examiner Columnist Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and the author of "The Cult of the Presidency."



Edited by Sign*Reader - 18 August 2010 at 1:46pm
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Quote Pati Replybullet Posted: 20 August 2010 at 11:14pm
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I don't think it's bad to build a Mosque in any place, but the truth is that most of the people who dead in the 11-S were not Muslim, so it has no sense to build a Mosque in their honour.
 
They should build a Church because they were mostly Christians.
 
And in my opinion, to build a Mosque there may be a new pain for the families of the killed, and I think that in any case, they should offer their opinion because it was already painful to lose your family by a Muslim, most of them couln't even recover the body of their families, so that's a cementery itself for hundreds of the people who were killed there.
 
I think that Muslim should not see the rejection of the Mosque there like a rejection of their community. You should think before that sometimes, people are sensitive to some places, and in the countries were we have been attacked by terrorist who blaimed to be Muslim we are really sensitive to this things.
 
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Quote peacemaker Replybullet Posted: 20 August 2010 at 11:25pm
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Salam,
 
I don't think it's bad to build a Mosque in any place, but the truth is that most of the people who dead in the 11-S were not Muslim, so it has no sense to build a Mosque in their honour.
 
They should build a Church because they were mostly Christians.
 
And in my opinion, to build a Mosque there may be a new pain for the families of the killed, and I think that in any case, they should offer their opinion because it was already painful to lose your family by a Muslim, most of them couln't even recover the body of their families, so that's a cementery itself for hundreds of the people who were killed there.
 
I think that Muslim should not see the rejection of the Mosque there like a rejection of their community. You should think before that sometimes, people are sensitive to some places, and in the countries were we have been attacked by terrorist who blaimed to be Muslim we are really sensitive to this things.
 
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Patricia,
 
It is very dangerous interpretation of such events. Perhaps you are aware that time and again it has been explained here that they were just terrorists. Period. Attaching terrorists to any community or faith also goes against the guidelines of this forum.
 
 
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Quote Pati Replybullet Posted: 20 August 2010 at 11:58pm
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Originally posted by Pati

Salam,
 
I don't think it's bad to build a Mosque in any place, but the truth is that most of the people who dead in the 11-S were not Muslim, so it has no sense to build a Mosque in their honour.
 
They should build a Church because they were mostly Christians.
 
And in my opinion, to build a Mosque there may be a new pain for the families of the killed, and I think that in any case, they should offer their opinion because it was already painful to lose your family by a Muslim, most of them couln't even recover the body of their families, so that's a cementery itself for hundreds of the people who were killed there.
 
I think that Muslim should not see the rejection of the Mosque there like a rejection of their community. You should think before that sometimes, people are sensitive to some places, and in the countries were we have been attacked by terrorist who blaimed to be Muslim we are really sensitive to this things.
 
Regards
Patricia
 
Patricia,
 
It is very dangerous interpretation of such events. Perhaps you are aware that time and again it has been explained here that they were just terrorists. Period. Attaching terrorists to any community or faith also goes against the guidelines of this forum.
I am sorry for the phrase, but you have to face the real situation. I didn't say that they were Muslims, but the truth is that they said they were, and the voices of the people who should say to the world that they are not are very low and not much people.
 
Again, I didn't say they were, I said just that they are the face of Muslims for lot of people in this world who doesn't know any Muslim.
 
Since I came to this forum, I have been trying to point this out, because the Muslim community should make a real campaign agains the terrorism to demonstrate everyone that those people are not the face of Islam, but instead of that, they are trying to build Mosques in a place where thousand of people were killed.
 
I think that Muslim communities in western societies should redraw their priorities.
 
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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2010 at 2:35am
Originally posted by Pati

I am sorry for the phrase, but you have to face the real situation. I didn't say that they were Muslims, but the truth is that they said they were, and the voices of the people who should say to the world that they are not are very low and not much people.
Where is the proof?
No one really knows it is all a big mystery in these modern times... who were the hijackers...I doubt we will see the whole truth in our times!
There is just a propaganda! Why a trial is not taking place?
 
Again, I didn't say they were, I said just that they are the face of Muslims for lot of people in this world who doesn't know any Muslim.
No one does tht
Since I came to this forum, I have been trying to point this out, because the Muslim community should make a real campaign agains the terrorism to demonstrate everyone that those people are not the face of Islam, but instead of that, they are trying to build Mosques in a place where thousand of people were killed.
Did you read the previous pages? I think not!
And a prayer place already exists there, the building was Muslim owned there will nothing new so far the prayer space is concerned...The new would community services facilities for all people to use irrespective of background! And that is where the IGNORANCE is rampant amongst the numskulls! 

 
I think that Muslim communities in western societies should redraw their priorities.
This project is not exactly from the Muslim community per se, it is  Obama's policy i,e., communty organizations... Muslims don't have the that kind of money($100mils) in the US!
 I think you need to learn about Obama's America!
The place looks like a blighted slum with boarded windows... if the opposition has so much concern they should have the place cleaned up!
The whole opposition is a work of a anti Islamic wing nuts who will be doing this whether the new community+ mosque project is built or not!
Have you heard about Pam Geller and what she does for living?  
 
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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2010 at 2:48am
It is just not building of this place the islamophobes are opposing the mosques projects every where... there is no shortage of bigots ...

Either the Muslims have to join legal forces and resources and take them head on  in the court system or just give up on building mosques!

I hate to say this but it is looking more like the early days of Mormons!
The signs are ominous and it about time the Muslims escaping from the neo colonial lands should read what is written on the wall!
I think the Muslims are too naive being scattered all over the US and it is risky in these bad economic times!


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