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beloved
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![]() Posted: 03 August 2005 at 7:38am |
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Yusuf brother, I know those verses since my childhood. And also
10:38, 11:13, 17:88 and many more similar verses. But did you ponder on
what the verses tell us or challenge us?
I could not understand the challenge brother. Can you please elaborate on this also? Thanks. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 1161 |
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Originally posted by beloved
I have a straight forward question. If God were the revealer and Muhammad were the one who heard it, who is the writer? Thanks. A usual term is "scribe" as to those who were appointed by Prophet Mohammad to write down the verses of Quran as and when they were revealed to him. So are you asking for the names of these scribes or what? |
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beloved
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![]() Posted: 04 August 2005 at 8:39pm |
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I didn't knew that Prophet appointed scribes. I thought that his relatives, friends and followers wrote them down.
Yes, I want the names of the scribes who have written them down and which scribes' version are we having presently. Thanks. |
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Sarkeranwar
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Originally posted by beloved
I didn't knew that Prophet appointed scribes. I thought that his relatives, friends and followers wrote them down. Yes, I want the names of the scribes who have written them down and which scribes' version are we having presently. Thanks. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Prophet Muhammad, his family and his companions Assalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh Insha Allah, you will find the answer to your question below: (Taken from http://www.witness-pioneer.net )
May I suggest something to you "beloved"! Although it is absoultely correct to ask questions about Islamic issues which you have no knowledge about, it would be more safe on your part to ask questions in a way which do not imply anything offensive. In my opinion, your first question implied "doubts" in regard to the authenticity of the Holy Quran! It is not fitting for a muslim to doubt anything about the Holy Quran. So, if you are a muslim, please ponder over the following Verses of the Noble Quran to know the quality of true believers: 002 - Al-Baqarah 285. The Messenger (Muhammad SAW) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)." 024 - An-Nur 51. The only saying of the faithful believers, when they are called to Allah (His Words, the Quran) and His Messenger (SAW), to judge between them, is that they say: "We hear and we obey." And such are the prosperous ones (who will live forever in Paradise). 004 - Al-Nisaa 46. ....And if only they had said: "We hear and obey", and "Do make us understand," it would have been better for them, and more proper, but Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few. May Allah guide us to His Straight Way. |
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"Our Lord! Give us in this world that which is good and in the Hereafter that which is good, and save us from the torment of the Fire!" Quran 2:201
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beloved
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![]() Posted: 05 August 2005 at 8:06am |
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Scribes included Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Mu'awiyah Ibn Abi Sufyan, Ubey Ibn Ka'ab, Zayed Ibn Thabit.
Zayed, with the help of the companions who memorized and wrote verses of the Qur'an, accomplished the task and handed Abu Bakr the first authenticated copy of the Qur'an. So you mean to say that Ali Idb Abi Talib, Mu'awiyah Ibn Abi Sufyan, Ubey Ibn Ka'ab, Zayed Ibn Thabit and many others wrote Quran? Or Zayed Ibn Thabit compiled Quran from many writers? In my opinion, your first question implied "doubts" in regard to the authenticity of the Holy Quran! The "doubts" implied by you are not my "doubts" but your own. My question was not regarding "authenticity" but regarding the writer. Scholars are very divided on this issue. Not all agree with what you have said. Different Islamic websites give different writers and some does not even give any names. The names you have given were companions of Prophet and the word "scribes" is a newly found word. Its not enough that we know that Quran is the word of God. There should be no insecurity in faith. So, if you are a muslim, please ponder over the following Verses of the Noble Quran to know the quality of true believers: I find your statements offencive brother. Do you think you need to remind me of these verses? |
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MOCKBA
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![]() Posted: 05 August 2005 at 9:20am |
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Bismillah To make things a little clearer may I suggest using the rightly mentioned word "scribes" instead of "writers". It is a good attempt to confuse readers, but fortunately these matters are well taken care of in Islam... as opposed to Christianity. |
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AhmadJoyia
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![]() Posted: 05 August 2005 at 2:46pm |
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Dear Bro Beloved, as far as you question
Yes, I want the names of the scribes who have written them down and which scribes' version are we having presently. Do you see any ambiguity in it? Put forward your hypothesis, if you have any, and we shall see how can we respond to it, Inshallah? |
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Deus
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![]() Posted: 05 August 2005 at 3:27pm |
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Also, is it safe to say that even though the Quran was written down by different people (the above mentioned "scribes"), they all did indeed write down the same material? So it is not like the Gospel which was written differently by an undetermined number of unknown people. |
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