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Quote Boomer Replybullet Posted: 16 May 2010 at 11:32am
Originally posted by Umm Hufsah

Sleepy  'conspiracy theory' mantra again... how boring
No ability to support your silly claims. That's not just boring, it's typical.
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Quote nu001 Replybullet Posted: 16 May 2010 at 11:12pm
 If you do a search, you will find that your taliban heroes kill far more Afghan civilians than coalition forces... but then, thinking humans already know that.

 

Can someone qualify this statement even through a conspiracy theory? It's lie, utter lie. Even the western medias/governments never claimed such. US / coalition killings are 200 times more than the taliban killing civilians. I'm not saying from any web source, it's from the country itself. Please don't manufacture lies, if you have some source of information or if you are on ground, please reffer to that.

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Quote Boomer Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2010 at 4:25pm
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 If you do a search, you will find that your taliban heroes kill far more Afghan civilians than coalition forces... but then, thinking humans already know that.

 

Can someone qualify this statement even through a conspiracy theory? It's lie, utter lie. Even the western medias/governments never claimed such. US / coalition killings are 200 times more than the taliban killing civilians. I'm not saying from any web source, it's from the country itself. Please don't manufacture lies, if you have some source of information or if you are on ground, please reffer to that.

Here is an excerpt from a UN report. This will get you started on your research regarding the alarming incidents of civilian deaths in Afghanistan.
 
The fact is, you nonsenses claim that "US / coalition killings are 200 times more than the taliban killing civilians." is a totally unsupported and false allegation. 
 
By the way, if you happen to have read the news today, there are reports of your Taliban heroes mass murdering 18 people in another suicide bombing.
 
Have a nice day. 
 
 

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=31636&Cr=afghan&Cr1=civilian

 

Of the 595 civilian deaths attributed to AGEs activities, 400 were the result of indiscriminate use of IEDs and suicide attacks, which is responsible for 67 per cent of all deaths caused by the armed opposition.
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Quote Umm Hufsah Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2010 at 2:01am

Here brother nu001 read this article, Afghanistan is crying out loud that they want Invading forces to be kicked out.

http://stopwar.org.uk/content/view/1865/1/

Pentagon paints bleak picture of Afghanistan war as more civilians die

A Pentagon report on Afghanistan war paints a grim picture after nine years of war, with a sharp increase in attacks on occupation troops and scarce support for the corrupt US-backed puppet regime of President Hamid Karzai. Meanwhile a series of incidents in which civilians were killed by US and NATO troops has unleashed renewed popular anger against the foreign occupation.


By Bill Van Auken
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01 May 2010

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Afghans protest after civilians killed by US attack

A semi-annual report released by the Pentagon on the Afghanistan war recorded a sharp increase in attacks on occupation troops and scarce support for the corrupt US-backed puppet regime of President Hamid Karzai.

The progress report, mandated by the US Congress, presented a grim picture of the state of the nearly nine-year-old, US-led war, even as a series of incidents in which civilians were killed by US and NATO troops unleashed renewed popular anger against the foreign occupation.

The Obama administration’s dispatch of 50,000 more US troops to Afghanistan over the past year notwithstanding, the 150-page Pentagon report allowed that the country’s so-called insurgents considered 2009 their "most successful year," and that the resistance to the occupation had a "robust means of sustaining its operation."

Resistance

"Its operational capabilities and organizational reach are qualitatively and geographically expanding," the report said, citing the spread of resistance activity to several new areas over the last six months.

Violence in the country, according to the report, had increased by a staggering 87 percent between February 2009 and March of this year. Pentagon officials attributed the spike to the deployment of the additional troops in areas that have been strongholds of the Taliban and other groups opposed to the US presence.

Equally revealing is the report’s estimate of support for the Karzai government based upon its assessment of opinion in 92 districts. It found that not one district supported the US-backed regime. Forty-four districts were described as neutral and 48 as supportive of or sympathetic to the resistance, a significant increase over the 33 described as backing the anti-occupation fighters in December of last year.

It further acknowledged that the "strength and ability of shadow governance [by the Taliban and other anti-government groups] to discredit the authority and legitimacy of the Afghan government is increasing."

The report gives rather short shrift to the decisive issue of civilian casualties in Afghanistan, devoting just two paragraphs to claiming that the number of civilians killed by US-led troops has fallen in relation to the size of the occupation forces, and blaming the resistance for "using civilians as human shields."

Civilians killed

The McClatchy news agency, however, cited the military’s own figures indicating "a dramatic spike in civilian deaths in the first three months of this year." It reported that the Pentagon acknowledges that US-led forces killed 87 civilians in Afghanistan during that period, compared to 29 during the first quarter of 2009.

These figures are undoubtedly a gross underestimation of the real toll inflicted by US and other foreign occupation forces, given that the Pentagon and NATO routinely deny reports of civilian casualties, claiming that either it has no knowledge of the incidents or that those killed were "insurgents." Grudging admissions come only after undeniable proof that the victims were civilians is confirmed by Afghan authorities.

A series of recent incidents has underscored the grim and rising toll that the US-led occupation is inflicting upon the Afghan people.

Two women and a young girl were killed, and two others were wounded when NATO troops opened fire April 30 on a car in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.

A spokesman for the Afghan authorities said that the occupation troops were defusing a roadside bomb when the car approached and failed to halt after a warning shot.

Witnesses to the incident disputed this version, however, saying that the foreign troops were conducting house-to-house raids in the area and opened fire on the vehicle without any warning.

The killings came a day after angry demonstrators took to the streets throughout eastern Nangarhar province to protest a Wednesday night raid on the home of an Afghan lawmaker in which US troops shot her brother-in-law dead.

The legislator, Safiya Sidiqi, was not at home during the raid. She said that her brother-in-law, who was visiting, thought the compound was being attacked by bandits and left his room with an old hunting rifle, when he was cut down by US troops.

Enemy of women

"I was afraid of Taliban, and now I can say the Americans are the enemy of the women of Afghanistan," she said.

The top US commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, had announced orders last January restricting night raids because of the high number of civilian casualties that they have inflicted. Under the new rules of engagement, Afghan puppet forces were supposedly to take the lead when houses were entered.

Other members of the household, however, said that there was no evidence of Afghan troops when some 80 US soldiers entered the compound, rounding up 15 family members, including women and children, and handcuffing and blindfolding them.

The US military claimed that the operation was aimed at catching a "Taliban facilitator" in the area, but no such person was apprehended.

The incident confirmed charges that McChrystal’s earlier order was for show, and that the night raids and their attendant slaughter of innocents continue unabated.

In a separate development, the French military acknowledged Thursday that its troops had killed four children in an April 6 missile attack.

Warnings from top US and NATO officials suggest that the bloodletting will escalate sharply in the coming weeks and months.

Gen. David Petraeus, the head of the US Central Command, which is responsible for the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, warned that there would be "tough moments in the weeks and months ahead" in the city of Kandahar, where the US-led occupation is mobilizing some 23,000 troops for an offensive expected to begin next month.

Excusing in advance the carnage that this US-led offensive will entail, he claimed that it would be the fault of the Afghan resistance, which he said was "going to take horrific actions to disrupt the progress that Afghan and coalition and military elements are working so hard to achieve."

Concern over rising violence in the city as well as the urban combat that the occupation’s offensive will entail, the United Nations shut down its Kandahar headquarters and withdrew its entire staff from the city.

Petraeus appeared to be providing another justification for the coming bloodshed, claiming that Kandahar was the city in which the terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington were prepared in 2001.

A similar note was sounded by NATO’s senior civilian official in Afghanistan, Mark Sedwill, the former British ambassador to the country. He warned that the coming period would be "very tough" for the occupation forces and insisted, "We cannot allow judgment of success to be the absence of casualties."

Sedwill predicted that the US-led forces would be involved for up to four more years in combat operations in Afghanistan and would remain in the country for up to 15 years more training and "mentoring" Afghan puppet forces.

The military "surge" ordered by Obama is expected to be in complete by August, with some 100,000 US troops deployed in Afghanistan, up from 32,000 when he took office.

The message contained in the Pentagon’s grim report, however, appears to be that US military commanders want still more American soldiers and Marines thrown into the colonial-style war.

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Quote Umm Hufsah Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2010 at 2:10am
Brother nu001 check this one out too..

How much more "accidental" mass murder in Afghanistan?

The day after Barack Obama said the United States is doing everything possible to avoid killing "somebody who's not on the battlefield", yet more slaughter of Afghan civilians by NATO forces brought hundreds of protestors onto the streets.


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Afghan protestors burn US flag after civilians killed

One person has been shot dead by police as hundreds of protesters took to the streets in eastern Afghanistan, accusing Nato-led forces of killing civilians during an overnight raid near the city of Jalalabad. 

Angry Afghans set fire to tyres and blocked roads in the Surkh Road district of Nangahar province on Friday, demanding an explanation for the deaths.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that between nine and 15 civilians had been killed in the Nato attack.  

Mohammed Arish, a government administrator in Surkh Rod, said a father and his four sons and four members of another family were among the dead.

"They are farmers. They are innocent. They are not insurgents or militants," Arish told The Associated Press by phone.

Arish said the protesters had tried to march toward the provincial capital of Jalalabad before being turned back by police.

The Nangahar governor's office said at least three people were injured during a clash with police.

'Taliban firefight'

A Nato spokesman confirmed foreign and Afghan forces had conducted some operations in the area but said he was not aware of any civilian deaths and the alliance was checking the incident.

"Nato and Isaf said they were targeting Taliban sub-commanders and some fighters which their intelligence said were hiding in a compound outside a village."

Colonel Wayne Shanks said eight Taliban fighters were killed in a firefight, adding that fighters fired rocket-propelled grenades at Nato forces.

Two other people were captured during the operation, and weapons and communications gear were confiscated at the targeted compound, Shanks said.

Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel Hamid reporting from Kabul said international forces and Afghan troops were flown to the area by helicopters overnight and carried out the raid.

"According to a Nato and Isaf [International Security Assistance Force] statement they were targeting Taliban sub-commanders and some fighters which their intelligence said were hiding in a compound outside a village.

"But the villagers said none of those killed had anything to do with the Taliban, that all of them were innocent civilians and members of two different families."

Sensitive issue

Civilian deaths at the hands of US and Nato forces are a highly sensitive issue in Afghanistan.

Last year public outrage over such deaths led General Stanley McChrystal, the Nato commander, to tighten the rules on combat if civilians are at risk.

He also ordered allied forces to avoid night raids when possible and bring Afghan troops with them if they do enter homes after dark.

Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, discussed the issue in meetings with US officials in Washington this week. He has previously sought a complete ban on night raids.

"Civilian casualties is not only a political problem ... I don't want civilian casualties," Barack Obama, the US president, said on Wednesday after meeting Karzai. 

"I take no pleasure in reading a report where there is a civilian casualty. That's not why I am president, that's not why I am commander in chief."

Last year was the deadliest for Afghan civilians since the war started in 2001, according to the United Nations.

Afghan officials say about 170 Afghan civilians were killed between the months of March and April this year alone, an increase of 33 per cent compared to the same period last year.



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Quote Boomer Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2010 at 2:50am
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Brother nu001 check this one out too..

Afghan officials say about 170 Afghan civilians were killed between the months of March and April this year alone, an increase of 33 per cent compared to the same period last year.

So... basically, your rabid cutting and pasting confirms my earlier post. Your Taliban heroes are responsible for the overwhelming civilian deaths in Afghanistan.
 
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Quote nu001 Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2010 at 6:19am
On 22 June 2007, NATO fighters attacked alleged insurgents in South Afghanistan. They targeted several houses in the southern part of Helmand province. What is not clear is exactly how many people died. It is known that women and children were among the dead, some local leaders say over 100 people were killed.
 
They destroyed an entire village by airstrike, These types of incidents are happening quiet regularly. Even many news of srtiking remote villages don't ever come to the media. While NATO keeps squeezing the numbers, because, most of those bodies even aren't dugged out of the destruction or aren't available. While many are just named Taliban and not counted as civilians. On the other hand, Taliban killings are inflated. Taliban on principal don't ever attach solely on civilians. They target qualition forces and westerners; civilians are ollateral damage to those attacks. it may be even more than 200% if real stats are taken on ground, unfortunately most of the areas masacred by NATO cannot be accessed by independant groups without being escorted by NATO/Military. I was quiet conservative to mation only 200%.
 
Now come to numbers u are jumping with;
 
Of the 595 civilian deaths attributed to AGEs activities, 400 were the result of indiscriminate use of IEDs and suicide attacks, which is responsible for 67 per cent of all deaths caused by the armed opposition.
 

Afghan officials say about 170 Afghan civilians were killed between the months of March and April this year alone, an increase of 33 per cent compared to the same period last year.

Either you have '00' knowledge of stats & logic or just a man with a mission. What do you want to prove by just cutting and pasting one sided casualty stats and that too from a bul*****UN report? I feel pitty for you, that you are able to jump so much enthusistically with such kind of reports, as if these are quranic verses. If you want to get into the reality, have a visit to the real place and spend some time. otherwise, better try to learn from others. And you even don't mind using filthy language basing on such manipulated information and adding your own manipulationby presenting onesided information.
 
By the way, the links and stats you are quoting from; also shows a higher % of killings by coalition, that's part of the reason that you aren't copying that part. What do you achieve by quoting total AGE killings and then 59% by IEDs... ?? does it mean that the AGE killings are more than coalition? in the same report coalition killings are about 1000, so what a cheat you are, is clear.
 
You haven't yet given any ref to stand on your initial posts, that Taliban are killing more than the coalition, until you can do so, you keep looking like a fool, defending your bulshit......... And don't call it a credible research, where you consult all secondary data's from a manipulative corner. if you want to do a research, come to the ground.
 
You don't have to jump so much with US & UN data, we know the level of truth in it. After all we are talking about death of human beings..... don't play with dead souls like your masters. If you aren't sure (Which u cant be) it's better to remain humble not rabit jumping, as you say.
 
I don't like to discuss the issue with a cheat like you... i just leave the count on Allah, He knows the best. Provide your evidence of saying... Taliban are killing more civilians than the coalition forces, i like to know who all says that.


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Quote Boomer Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2010 at 9:41am
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I don't like to discuss the issue with a cheat like you... i just leave the count on Allah, He knows the best. Provide your evidence of saying... Taliban are killing more civilians than the coalition forces, i like to know who all says that.


You should learn to pay attention. The data clearly show that your Taliban heroes are responsible for the majority of civilian deaths Allah Akbar. If you are in deep denial of that fact, that is a function of your limited faculties and that is not something I can assist you with.
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