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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2010 at 11:46am
I agree it is complex and there will be no solutions or answers for the actions of past peoples.

They will always stand alongside religions and one's commitment to God.

I do hope that it is BEHIND one's commitment to Allah, Islam and humanity.  I think as the people become more inter-connected through technology we will be less and less nationalistic. As more people travel and see the world, people will think less about "my group" by humanity as a whole. 

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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2010 at 12:11pm
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I do hope that it is BEHIND one's commitment to Allah, Islam and humanity.


I agree. Thats how I view my attachment towards Pakistan...  as long as the  love for my land its people doesn't clash with my Imaan and Islam. The interest of our Ummah/Muslim Brotherhood (note to FBI: not the Egyptian political party...the other kind) should be given a priority over our "tribe" or "country.

Upto a certain extent it can be compatible . . . . attachment to one's roots is something inevitable and cannot be seperated from who you are.


I think as the people become more inter-connected through technology we will be less and less nationalistic. As more people travel and see the world, people will think less about "my group" by humanity as a whole. 



Lets hope so inshAllah! Smile



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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 20 August 2010 at 11:16pm
Chrysalis:
I would like you to tell me whatever you know about the boys beaten to death in  Sialkot to help my fondness!
And this happened in Ramadan that can't be blamed on talibaans either!
 There is no Pakistan that was Iqbal's dream and if he was alive what happened in his town he will do fast unto death for certain and what is happening in Karachi Jinnah would regret asking for the Governor General's chair!

 I think being a poet  philosopher Iqbal forgot, it takes real people to build nation, not just a piece of land!

After the video and the discussion on a show Allah's displeasure became quite evident!
Imho enough is enough!

Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 August 2010 at 11:36pm
Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2010 at 5:48am
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Chrysalis:
I would like you to tell me whatever you know about the boys beaten to death in  Sialkot to help my fondness!
And this happened in Ramadan that can't be blamed on talibaans either!


Well Sign these beatings were definitely horrendous and foolish - but what I fail to see is how you are associating it with Pakistan's ideology?

Bro killings, murders, shootings take place throughout the world. It is an unfortunate part of being human and living amongst mortals who are flawed. Name one society, community or nation that is crime free? The people involved in the beatings were foolish, impulsive and aggressive. A trend that is unfortunately becoming more common with young males around the world. 

If we be that cynical then we shall simply end up having no fondness for any of our fellow human race, not just Pakistan. Since such acts are part and parcel of life as human beings...

 
There is no Pakistan that was Iqbal's dream


Thats because reality can never be as Utopian as a dream. Theory is always markedly different from its application. Imperfection is part of being human. While I do hope Pakistan and the Ummah overcome their problems, I do not expect everything to be perfect, Utopian or dream like. We will always have our flaws.
When a baby is born, the parents think it's perfect, they want it to be perfect, they have stellar expectations - they dream big dreams.... they never stop to think of possibilities that the child may grow up to be a material failure, unemployed or a criminal. Dreams are always eons away from actual reality...

 
I think being a poet  philosopher Iqbal forgot, it takes real people to build nation, not just a piece of land!


I agree 100% with the part in bold. Real people means real flaws and real mistakes - meaning we shall never achieve the dream... and we should be ready to accept failures and disappointments. We can try to achieve it, and attain the next best level. However that doesn't mean we have to be cynical and write off an entire population based on their human flaws and faults.  

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 02 September 2010 at 1:02am

Diplomatic Row: Pakistani Military Delegation Leaves US in Protest After Airport Detention


Visit to Centcom Cut Short by 'Terror' Detentions of a Paki Military OMG

I think if these clown have any self respect left they should do something about this disgrace! There is a limit to being sycophantic slaves!



Edited by Sign*Reader - 02 September 2010 at 1:06am
Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Quote nu001 Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2011 at 6:04am
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...They had no power to divide but to demand whatever but there was something else bigger in scope than that these guys that you have overlooked!

 
Bro I agree to you all the way, but the above quoted part. Infact the word "demand" is very crucial, has bigger role than what the superpowers have done/can do. Just think, if they didnt demand, would the superpowers be able to seperate?
 
Example: US wanted to divide Iraq, but Iraqis didnt want, could they do it?
 
It's always good to see the intentions and positions of your own leaders than to put all the allegations on the superpowers and world politics. That's what these corrupt leaders want you to do. If the leaders and people want the same, no world power can change that even by wars.
 
Would you blame America for the situation you are in now? Although the leaders will bul*****about annahillation and such stuff and political pressure, but Pakistan did it by choice. Region from Afg border upto Islamabad is virtually under US control now and america isn't doing it by force. They have agreement and they pay to do what they are doing. Your leaders and military chose money over national honour... FULLSTOP


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