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Quote fais Replybullet Posted: 13 July 2010 at 11:30pm
HELLO PATTI
 
 but there are not more than few hundreds of straight muslims
 
THIS IS NOT A GOOD COMMENT,I AGREE THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY BUT NOT AS LES AS FEW HUNDREDS OUT OF BILLIONS MUSLIM.THIS IS AN EXTRA EXAGERATED FIGURE.
 
IF A PERSON IS MUSLIM THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHAITAN WILL LEAVE HIM ALONE,AND THERE ARE SO MANY BAD THINGS CHRISTIANS AND OTHER COMMUNITY DOES WHY DONT PEOPLE COMMENT ON THAT,THE RAPES ON WOMAN IN U.S THEY 98 PERCENT ARE CHRISTIAN OR NONMUSLIM
 
WOT WUD SAY TO DAT.


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Quote Pati Replybullet Posted: 21 July 2010 at 2:55pm
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HELLO PATTI
 
 but there are not more than few hundreds of straight muslims
 
THIS IS NOT A GOOD COMMENT,I AGREE THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY BUT NOT AS LES AS FEW HUNDREDS OUT OF BILLIONS MUSLIM.THIS IS AN EXTRA EXAGERATED FIGURE.
 
IF A PERSON IS MUSLIM THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHAITAN WILL LEAVE HIM ALONE,AND THERE ARE SO MANY BAD THINGS CHRISTIANS AND OTHER COMMUNITY DOES WHY DONT PEOPLE COMMENT ON THAT,THE RAPES ON WOMAN IN U.S THEY 98 PERCENT ARE CHRISTIAN OR NONMUSLIM
 
WOT WUD SAY TO DAT.
Don't be angry, please.
 
I know that it was going to hurt, but I am talking as a woman who met already lot of Muslim, and I know lot of situations of Muslim.
 
The pornography, chatting with women with sexual interest, cheating their wives, going with prostitutes, pre-marriage relations....
 
It's something normal not only in western countries, but all over the world. I hate it, I don't like it and I hate the fact that you cannot talk free to any man because he may be looking for something.
 
Personally, I know lot of friends working in muslim countries: Kuwait, Emirates, Bahrein, Oman, etc... and they all say that they are receiving all kind of "offers" from local people. Me, myself, I faced this situation in Emirates, so... please, just look around.
 
I am talking from the point of view of a woman. The problem is that in your culture, men are not talking about "their biggest sins", so you have no idea about the quantity of men who are sinners. But just pay attention and you will see that there are not much MUSLIMS.
 
Actually, I met a guy, very religious, 4 years back. He was not looking to any man, making his 5 prayers. He is doing pilgrimage almost everytwo years... really, I loved his way and felt safe with him.
 
I met him back few months ago, and... well, he found me through internet, and I will just say that I am not safe with him. He is having all kind of contacts "too much opened", and you can see them almost nude...
 
Hope you understand me now. I think that most of Muslim men are lost in this time, and I hope they will find themselves.
 
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Quote fais Replybullet Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:35pm

Hello Patti

Goodmorning
 
I agree with what you said,but i think these people who are bad would have been the same if they were believing in some other relegion,
 
though you dont mean to say that but your pointing out on a community shows that because he believe in this relegion he is like that.
 
good and bad people are every where,and rules of being good to others and lead a good life exist in other relegion too but still people do it.
 
as far as getting offers from men in arab countries is very natural cause there are good number of white woman who are easyly available,and the english movies which we see in which woman are displayed as a sex object creates just one picture in our mind,we think all are available.
 
There is one hadith from our profet Mohammed s.a.w :there will be a time when you will have no weight,(this means you will have no power and your voice will not be heard anywhere)on this one comapnion asked we will be so less at time,profet answered no u will be as many as the white layer on the sea but because of your deeds you will be nowhere.
 
so i pray that muslims come to the right path and regain the faith of all the community in them and belive in Allah and his commandments.Ameen
 
 
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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 4:33pm
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good and bad people are every where,and rules of being good to others and lead a good life exist in other relegion too but still people do it.
 
No doubt there are good and bad people everywhere, but no other religion enables mistreatment of women, or subjugates them to men, like Islam.


Edited by Ron Webb - 22 July 2010 at 4:34pm
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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 5:48pm
Hey Ron,

You tell that to all the women who left Christianity long, long time ago. Trust me, I have no love for Christian Churches. The problem is most people there don't even know their religion. Cause they'd leave like most of us did.

There is no where that says a man is allowed to mis-treat me. No where in the Quran.  Sorry you don't know hat you are talking about.   Never once did the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) hit or hard a woman. Heck we could fight in battle along side him (PBUH).

There are TONS of Muslim men who treat their wives way better than men in the west.
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Quote Pati Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 11:07pm

Hi again,

I am sorry because I was talking about a different thing, not about the way that a husband treats his wife.
 
This is another human illness that we have to face in all religions and all over the world. For instance, in my country, only in the last month, 40 women were killed by their husbands or couples. For me, this is something unnacceptable and a major social problem that we all should avoid by calling the police after hearing the minimum problem in our neighbours houses.
 
But I was talking about a different thing.
 
fais,
 
I didn't say that in west countries, men are not "dirty", but believe me, they may try one time, but in case they see the woman is not interested, they will stop, because we have legal rules that punnish the harassment and may send them to the jail.
 
Regarding what you said about the movies and the image they give about wester women, that's another problem. Do you think that in the west, we are the whole time looking for men or for women to keep on relations??? No way. We have families, works, we study, we travel, we enjoy our time. The only difference is that you may go outside with any guy you like, and whatever it happens is your responsibility, but we are not doing with each guy. Some muslim men are treating us like simple prostitutes, and I am tired of that.
 
I just came from Algeria. I went there for work matters, and took the chance to stay a whole week with a colleague (girl). I really got scared from the people there: everytime telling us bad things, really bad things, stopping us on the street to ask about "the price of the service", even stopping the cars on the street to ask us to go with them... the worst was when we contracted a driver who was touching me!!! Until I told him I was married with a muslim man who was working in an arabic country... that was the secret to stop it, and really worked. I never in my life felt this way.
 
I have friends who worked in Kuwait, and were continiously harassed by men around their flats. Actually, one of them was sent back to Spain and need the help of a psycologist, because a crazy man was always following her, asking her for marriage, and finally told her that or she was marrying him or he would kill her... can you believe?? Without even saying hello to him, he is having all that ideas in his head.
 
Regarding the treatment of the muslim men with their wives, I cannot say it's bad, because I know it and you are like "the queen". The problem is only that you are not always the only queen, and I cannot accept that.
 
I prefer a western man, because after my experience with muslims and the value they give to real love, I don't want to take any other risk again. Love is nothing for you, and real love is not coming with the time, as i heard thousand times.
 
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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 4:44am
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There is no where that says a man is allowed to mis-treat me. No where in the Quran.  Sorry you don't know hat you are talking about.
 
I'm not sure this is the appropriate place to get into a debate about the treatment of women in Islam.  Let just point you to the Quran 4:34, which specifically advises husbands to beat their wives.  I don't think you'll find a similar instruction in any other holy scripture.  I believe that there is also a hadith in which Muhammad says something to the effect that in heaven no man will be asked why he beat his wife.
 
I only joined this discussion because I saw someone advising a woman to accompany her newly-radicalized Muslim husband to Saudi Arabia on the questionable assumption that she could always leave if she didn't like it.  Saudi Arabia has one of the worst records of denying basic human rights to women, and it's no coincidence that their legal system is based on sharia.
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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Ron Webb

 
No doubt there are good and bad people everywhere, but no other religion enables mistreatment of women, or subjugates them to men, like Islam.


Somebody needs to pass on this information to the poor women who keep converting to Islam !

. . .  Wait . . . isn't this the information the media gives them all the time ? Yet it doesn't effect their numbers !?! wow.

From Times Online
May 29, 2010

Young. British. Female. Muslim.

At the London Central Mosque in Regent’s Park, women account for roughly two thirds of the “New Muslims” who make their official declarations of faith there – and most of them are under the age of 30.

Conversion statistics are frustratingly patchy, but at the time of the 2001 Census, there were at least 30,000 British Muslim converts in the UK. According to Kevin Brice, of the Centre for Migration Policy Research, Swansea University, this number may now be closer to 50,000 – and the majority are women. “Basic analysis shows that increasing numbers of young, university-educated women in their twenties and thirties are converting to Islam,” confirms Brice.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7135026.ece






Edited by Chrysalis - 23 July 2010 at 10:13am
"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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