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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 10 November 2013 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

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Greetings Al Saadiqueen21,

Regarding some of your post....

'Let him die the death'
simply means let him not enter the kingdom of heaven

[ Note is this the action of a sane man ? ]

It is the action of a man subject to the flesh nature.
I believe the scriptures simply reveal the flesh nature which the Divine took on...  the scriptures in places reveal that Yahshua was subject to the weaknesses of the flesh... that he became tired, and sometimes became impatient with the people and with what it was He was tasked to do among them... Yet, He accepted to do His Father's will and to fulfill the purpose for which He was sent.

As for the rest;
Yes, islam restates all the violence of the old testament, and denies the Lord in the new thing which He chooses to do... the new covenant which is Christ, His Son... the salvation of the world.

I too have a problem with the old testament, which is the same reason I have a problem with islam, in which Muhammad seeks to revive old testament ways.
Yahshua was sent as a new covenant... the new thing which God intended for mankind,

19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? [in other words, will you recognize it] (as spoken through the prophet Isaiah)

... to not follow that new way is wrong, it returns us to old testament times, which is to go against Christ.

Salaam and blessings to you,
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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 11 November 2013 at 11:06am
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Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

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Greetings Al Saadiqueen21,

Regarding some of your post....

'Let him die the death'
simply means let him not enter the kingdom of heaven

[ Note is this the action of a sane man ? ]

It is the action of a man subject to the flesh nature.
I believe the scriptures simply reveal the flesh nature which the Divine took on...  the scriptures in places reveal that Yahshua was subject to the weaknesses of the flesh... that he became tired, and sometimes became impatient with the people and with what it was He was tasked to do among them... Yet, He accepted to do His Father's will and to fulfill the purpose for which He was sent.

As for the rest;
Yes, islam restates all the violence of the old testament, and denies the Lord in the new thing which He chooses to do... the new covenant which is Christ, His Son... the salvation of the world.

I too have a problem with the old testament, which is the same reason I have a problem with islam, in which Muhammad seeks to revive old testament ways.
Yahshua was sent as a new covenant... the new thing which God intended for mankind,

19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? [in other words, will you recognize it] (as spoken through the prophet Isaiah)

... to not follow that new way is wrong, it returns us to old testament times, which is to go against Christ.

Salaam and blessings to you,
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With all do respect Jesus NeverEver said anything in the Scriptures , The Hadiyth's of Matthew , Mark , Luke , John said Jesus said this or that , Meaning Jesus had left the earth when these guy wrote these Hadiyth's= words of men and not from Yahuwa . The Bible is more Violent then that of Al Qur'aan . More of teaching of the Bible in my next post will back up my point
 
 
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Quote iec786 Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2013 at 10:44am
Jesus said in the New Testament.
Luke 19:27
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But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"
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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2013 at 2:35pm
Eye for Over-kill ? Jesus says to Kill anyone who Curses their Parents , Reaffirms Moses , Who spoke for God . Matthew 15 ; 4 , States And I Quote ; For God Commanded , saying , Honor thy Father and Mother and , he that Curseth Father or Mother Let Him Die The Death .
 
Jesus Kills A Fig Tree , Matthew 21 ; 18 - 19 , States And I Quote ; Now in the morning as he returned into the city , he Hungered .  Verse 19 . And when he saw a A Fig Tree  in the way , he came to it , and found nothing thereon , but leaves only , and said unto it , Let No Fruit Grow  on thee henceforward forever . And presently the Fig Tree Withered Away .  Also Refer To Mark 11 ; 12 - 14 , 20 , States And I Quote ;  And on the morrow , when they were come from Bethany  , he was Hungry . Verse 13 . And seeing a Fig Tree  afar off might find anything thereon ; and when he came to it , he found nothing but leaves for the Time  of Fig  was not yet . Verse 14 . And Jesus and his Disciples  heard it . Verse 20 . And in the morning , as they passed by , they saw the Fig Tree  dried up from the roots .  [ Note is this the action of a sane man ? ]
 
Jesus on Sexual Immorality , Adultery , and Child Abuse , Revelation 2 ; 20 - 23 , States And I Quote ; Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee , because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel which called herself a Prophetess To Teach  and to seduce my Servants  to commit fornication , and to eat things sacrificed unto idols . Verse 21 . And I gave her Space  to Repent of her fornication ; and she repented not . Verse 22 . Behold , I will cast her into a bed , and them that commit Adultery with her into great Tribulation ,  except they repent of their Deeds .
Verse 23 . And I will Kill Her Children With Death  ; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the Reins and Hearts and I will give unto every one of you according to your Works .
 
( 1 ) . Capital Punishment Crimes ; - Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests . Deuteronomy 17 ; 12 ,  States And I Quote ; And the man that will do Presumptuously  and Will Not Hearken  unto the Priest that standeth to Minister  there before the Lord  thy God  or unto the judge , even that Man Shall Die ;  and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel .
 
Kill Witches ;-  Exodus 22 ; 18 , States And I Quote ; Thou Shalt  not Suffer Witch  to Live .
 
Kill Homosexuals ; -  Leviticus 20 ; 13 , States And I Quote ; If a man also Lie  with Man Kind
as he Lieth  with a Woman both of them have Committed  an Abomination  they shall surely be put to Death ; their blood shall be upon them .
 
Kill Fortunetellers ; -   Leviticus 20 ;27 ,  States And I Quote ; A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit , or that is a Wizard  , shall surely be Put To Death ; they shall Stone Them With Stones ;  their blood shall be upon them .
 
Death For Hitting Dad ; - Exidus 21 ; 15 , States And I Quote ;  And He That Smiteth his Father  or his Mother  shall be surely Put To Death .
 
( 1 ) . Death For Cursing Parents ; - Proverbs 20 ; 20 , States And I Quote ; Whoso Curseth  his Father  or his Mother  his Lamp  shall be put put in obscure Darkness .
( 2 ) .  Leviticus 20 ; 9,  States And I Quote ;  For every one that Curseth  his Father   or his Mother  shall be surely put to Death ; he hath Cursed  his Father  or his Mother  his Blood shall be upon him . [ They Are Guilty Of A Capital Offense ]
 
Death For Adultery ;- Leviticus 20 ; 10 ,  States And I Quote ; And the Man that Committeth Adultery  with another Man's Wife  even he that Committeth Adultery  with his Neighbor Wife  the Adulterer  and the  Adulterer  shall surely be put to Death .
 
Death For Fornication ; -  Leviticus 21 ; 9 ,  States And I Quote ;  And the Daughter  of any Priest  , if she Profance herself by Playing The Whore  she Profaneth Her Father  ; she Shall Be Burnt With Fire .
 
Death To Followers Of Other Religions ; - Exodus 22 ; 20 ,  States And I Quote ; He That Sacrificeth  unto Any God  save unto the Lord Only  , he Shall Be Utterly Destroyed .
 
Kill Nonbelievers ; -  2Chronicles 15 ; 12 - 13 , States And I Quote ;  And they entered into a Covenant  to seek the Lord God  of their Fathers  with all their heart and with all their soul . Verse 13 . That whosoever would Not Seek The Lord God Of Israel Should Be Put To Death whether small or great whether Man or Woman .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Zechariah 13 ; 3 ,States And I Quote ; And it shall come to pass , that when Any  shall yet Prophesy  , then his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  shall say unto him , Thou Shalt  not Live  for thou Speakest Lies  in the Name  of the Lord ; and his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  Shall Thrust Him Through  when he Prophesieth .  
 
Kill The Entire Town If One Person Worships Another God ; -   Deuteronomy 13 ; 13 - 19 , States And I Quote ; Certain Men  the Children  of Belial  are gone out from among you , and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city , saying . Let us go and Serve Other Gods which ye have not known . Verse 14 . Then shalt thou inquire , and make search , and Ask Diligently and , behold , if it be Truth and the Thing certain , that such abomination Is Wrought Among  you . Verse 15 . Thou Shalt  surely Smite The Inhabitants Of That City  with the Edge Of The Sword Destroying It Utterly , and all that is therein , and the Cattle  thereof , with the Edge Of The Sword  . Verse 16 . And thou Shalt Gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof , and Shalt Burn With Fire The City ,  And all the spoil thereof every Whit  for the Lord Thy God ;  and it shall be an heap Forever it shall not be built again . Verse 17 . And there shall cleave Naught  of the Cursed Thing to thine hand ; that the Lord  may turn from the fierceness of his anger , and show thee mercy , and Have Compassion  upon thee , and multiply thee , as he Hath Sworn  unto thy fathers ; Verse 18 . When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord Thy God , to keep all his commandments which I Command   thee this Day  to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord Thy God .
 
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night ;-   Deuteronomy 22 ; 20 - 21 , States And I Quote ; But if this Thing  be True ,  and the tokens of Virginity  be not found for the Damsel . Verse 21 . They they shall bring out the Damsel  to the door of her Father's House ,  and the Men of Her City  shall Stone Her With Stones  that she Die  , Because she Hath Wrought  folly in Israel , to Play The Whore  in her father house ; so shalt thou evil way from among you .
 
Kill Followers Of Other Religions ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 7 - 12 ,States And I Quote ; Namely of the gods of the People  which are round about you night unto thee , or far off from thee , from the one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the earth . Verse 8 . Thou Shalt  not Consent  unto him , nor Hearken  unto him ; neither shall thine eye pity him , neither shalt thou spare , neither Shalt thou Conceal  . Verse 9 . But thou shalt surely kill him  thine Hand  shall be First upon him to Put Him To Death , and afterwards the hand of all the people . Verse 10 .
And thou shalt stone him with stones that he Die  , because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God , which brought thee out of the land of Egypt , from the house of bonfage . Verse 11 . And all Israel Shalt Hear  and fear , and shall do no more any such Wickedness as this is among you . Verse 12 . If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities which the Lord thy God  hath given thee to dwell there , saying .
 
( 2 ) . Deuteronomy 17 ; 2 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there be found Among  you within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee , Man  or Woman that Hath Wrought Wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God in Transgressing  his Covenant . Verse 3 . And haith gone and Served other gods and Worshiped them either the sun , or moon , or any of the Host of Heaven which I Have  not Commanded . Verse 4 . And it Betold thee , and thou Hast Heard of it , and inquired Diligently and behold , it be true , and the thing certain ; that such abomination is wrought in Israel , Verse 5 . Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman , which have committed that Wicked thing , unto thy gates , even that man or that woman , and shalt stone them with stones , till they Die .
 
Death For Blasphemy ;- Leviticus 24 ; 10 -16 , States And I Quote ; And the son of an Israelitish Woman whose father was an Egyptain , went out among the children of Israel and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel  strove together in the Camp . Verse 11 . And the  Israelitish woman's son Blasphemed the name of the Lord  and Cursed  . And they brought him unto Moses ; ( and his mother's name was Shelomith , the daughter of Dibri , of the Tribe of Dan ; ) . Verse  12 . And they put him in ward that the Mind of the Lord might be showed them . Verse 13 . And the Lord spake unto Moses saying . Verse 14 . Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp ; and let all that Heard  him lay their Hands upon his Head  and let all the Congregation stone him . Verse . 15 . And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel , saying , Whosoever  Curseth  his God Shalt Beat  his sin . Verse 16 . And he that Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , he shall surely be put to death , and all the congregation shall certainly stone him ; as well the Stranger  as he that is born in the land , when he Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , Shall Be Put To Death .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 1 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there arise Among you a Prophet  or a dreamer of dreams , and giveth thee a Sign   or a wonder , Verse 2 . And the sign or the wonder come to pass , whereof he Spake unto thee saying , Let us go after other gods which thou Hast  not Known  and let us Serve  them . Verse 3 . Thou Shalt  not Hearken  unto the Words  of that Prophet ,  or that dreamer of dreams ; for the Lord  your God Proveth you , to know whether ye Love  the Lord  your God  with all your Heart  and with all your Soul .
Verse 4 . Ye shall walk after the Lord  your God . and Fear  him and Keep  his commandments , and Obey his voice , and ye shall serve him , and cleave unto him . Verse 5 . And that Prophet  , or that dreamer of dreams , Shall Be Put To Death  because he Hath Spoken  to Turn  you Away from the Lord  your God which brought you out of the land of Egypt  , and Redeemed  you out of the House  of Bondage  to thrust thee out of the Way which the Lord  thy God Commanded thee to walk in . So shalt thou put the Evil  away from the midst of thee .
 
Deuteronomy 18 ; 20 - 22 , States And I Quote ; But the Prophet , which shall presume to speak a word in my name ,which I have not commanded him to speak , or that shall speak in the name of other gods  even that Prophet shall die . Verse 21 . And if thou Say  in thine heart , How Shall we Know the word which the Lord hath not spoken . Verse 22 . When a Prophet speaken in the name of the Lord , if the thing follow not , nor Come To Pass  , that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken , but the Prophet  hath spoken it Presumptuously thou Shall  not Be Afraid of him .
 
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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2013 at 2:42pm

Something for you ieciec786 Next makesure you read the whole bible and not just the part your like ok

The word Gospel means '' Good News ''  or '' Good Announcement '' The word Gospel  was used by The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a  in reference to the Old Testament . He Could'nt Have Been Talking  about the The Testament  because it didn't Even Exist Yet . In most Bibles , the Gospel consist of four books when are ; Matthew , Mark , Luke , And John . Most of these people base their religion on The Gospels .
 
They are under the inpression that these books were written by the four diciples of The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a  little do they know that Mark and Luke  were not Disciples of The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a  . However , their names have become synonymous as Discoples . If you really look into The Word Gospel you will see it's really saying Ghost Spell '' Ghost Spell ( Gospel ) is the Spiritual Ignorance and Blindness ,
 
All Four Gospels were written a number of years apart , Matthew 41 A.D. 8 Years . after the supposed Crucifixion . Luke 58 A.D. 25 Years  after the supposed Crucifixion . Mark 65 A.D. 32 Years  after the supposed Crucifixion . John 98 A.D. 65 Years  after the supposed Crucifixion . The earliest written Gospels was Matthew's ,
 
His Gospel couldn't have been looked upon as accrate , Considering he was of the original twelve
, But his Gospel Strongly resembles Mark's and Luke's besides . He was one of the Ones Who Fled The Gaarden After The Arret of The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a . In the garden ; Therefore , He definitely could not have Recorded Anything after ...
 
The Gospel According to Matthew 26 ; 56 , Where It States ; And I Quote ; But All This Was Done , That The ( Scriptures ) Of The ( Prophets ) Might Be ( Fulfilled ) Then ( All Disciples Forsook Him And Fled ) . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
So , Of the event that has ( Been Embedded Into The Minds Of Humanity , '' The Crucifixion ''
Matthew can give no actual account of it except , Maybe , What he had been told . Now how Reliable can his writing be .
 
1. Approximately ninety-five percent or 600 verses , of the 661 verses in Mark , Are either reproduced of sucbstantially represented in Matthew .
 
2 . Of the 661 verses in Mark , 350 are eithers reproduced or substantially represented in Luke.
 
3 . Only 31 of the 661 verses found in Mark are not represented in either Matthew or Luke .
 
The Gospels of Luke and Mark may very well have followed the pattern of Matthew , Which was written by Paul for Matthew , Considering he wrote this Gospel First . How do we know this ? Let's look at a Verse from The Book Of Matthew .
 
 The Gospel According to Matthew 9;9 , Where It States ; And I Quote ;
 
Kahee ( And ) As Ee-ay -sooce ( Jesus ) Par-ag-o ( Passed ) Forth From Ek-I-Then (There ) He I-Do (Saw ) A Anth-Ro-Pos ( Human Being ) , Leg-o ( Named ) Mat-Thah - Yos ( Matthew ) , Khath -Ay -Mahee ( Sitting ) Ep-Ee ( At ) The Tel-O-Nee-On ( Receipt Of Custom ) Kahee (And ) He Leg-O ( Said ) Ow-Tos ( Unto ) Him Ak -Ol-Oo -Theh-O ( Follow ) Moy ( Me ) Kahee ( And ) He An-Is-Tay-Mee ( Arose ) And Ak-Ol-Oo-Theh-O ( Followed ) Ow-Tos (Him ) .
 
And Jesus Passed Forth From There , He Saw A Human Being , Called Matthew , Sitting At The Place Where They Collect The Tax ; And Said To Him , Follow Me , And He Rose And Followed Him . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Now you tell me , Who is speaking about Matthew on this Quote ; As you can see , Matthew could not have Written This Gospel . Whatever the case may be . Neither of the three were . Present to ( Witness Anything After The Arrest In The Garden ) . On the other hand . John's Gospel has it's validity within its writing John 21 ; 24-25 , Explains And I Quote ;
 
The Gospel According of John 20 ; 24-25 , Where It States ; And I Quote ; But Thomas , One Of The ( Twelve ) , Called (Didymus ) Was Not With Them When ( Jesus ) Came . ( 24 ) . The (Other Disciples ) Therefore Said Unto Him , We Have Seen The ( Lord ) . But He Said Unto Them , Except I ( Shall See ) In His Hands The ( Print ) Of The Nails And Put My Finger Into The ( Print ) Of The Nails , And Thrust My Hand Into His Side , I  ( Will Not Believe ) . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 


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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2013 at 6:59pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

As Salaamu Alaykum
 
With all do respect Jesus NeverEver said anything in the Scriptures , The Hadiyth's of Matthew , Mark , Luke , John said Jesus said this or that , Meaning Jesus had left the earth when these guy wrote these Hadiyth's= words of men and not from Yahuwa . 
 

Greetings Al Saadiqeen,

If you discount the words of scripture as being the words of Yahshua(Jesus), how do you account for those words, written down by different people, in different lands, being in agreement with one another... (and no matter how many years had passed)?

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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2013 at 4:26am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

As Salaamu Alaykum
 
With all do respect Jesus NeverEver said anything in the Scriptures , The Hadiyth's of Matthew , Mark , Luke , John said Jesus said this or that , Meaning Jesus had left the earth when these guy wrote these Hadiyth's= words of men and not from Yahuwa . 
 

Greetings Al Saadiqeen,

If you discount the words of scripture as being the words of Yahshua(Jesus), how do you account for those words, written down by different people, in different lands, being in agreement with one another... (and no matter how many years had passed)?

Salaam,
CLynn
 
As Salaamu Alaykum Caringheart
 
The Prophet / Messiah , Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus , son of Mary never said anything , Matthew , Mark , Luke , John Said he Said these thing . They're called Hadiyth come from the word Hadatha , Meaning ''Existence , Began To Be ; Had A Beginning , Began , Or Originated , Existed New For The First Time .
 
Its plural Ahaadiyth are supposedly records of Actions , Utterances  and Customs  of The Prophet / Messiah , Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus , son of Mary, Any action done in his Presence and the Presence of his Companions .
 
 Hadiyth = Words of men and not of Yahuwa . Just because these people of these Diffrent land Times are in Agreement . Doesn't change things . The Prophet / Messiah , Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus , Still never say anything in the Scriptures .
 
A well thought-out question but Hadiyth are Hadiyth nomore noless .... Also all those who cliam they have gotten their calling from Creator / God etc etc .
 
Are All giving their Version / Opin-ion / teaching / doctrine , And all of them Diffrent . As if Creator / God . Make mistakes


Edited by Al Saadiqeen21 - 20 December 2013 at 6:29am
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Quote johnford Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2013 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

The Word Gospel you will see it's really saying [Ghost Spell '' Ghost Spell ( Gospel )


Where did you trawl this up from ... the gospels were written in Greek ... learn basic Greek.

'Gospel' is a translation of the Gk 'evaggelio' which essentially means 'to announce good news'.



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