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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
 اللهم صلي على نبينا محمد و على آله و صحبه و سلم
 

   To reject the Hadith is to reject the Quran for all practical purposes

   "Anyone who disobey Allah and His Messenger has wandered off into manifest error." Suratul Ahzaab 33:36

"He who obeys Allah and His Messenger has already achieved a splendid triumph." Suratul Ahzaab 33:71

   For the past fourteen centuries Quran and Sunnah have been the twin undisputed sources of Guidance for Muslims. In every
generation, Muslims devoted the best of their minds and talents to their study. They learnt both the words and meanings of the Quran through the Prophet s.a.s and made an unprecedented effort in preserving them for the next generation. The
result: the development of the marvelous – and unparalleled – science of Hadith, one of the brightest aspects of Muslim
history.

What does it mean to believe in a Prophet except to pledge to follow him?
 And so the teachings of the Prophet s.a.s have always guided this Ummah. Nobody, in his right mind, could or did question this practice.

   Then something happened. During the colonial period, when most of the Muslim world came under the subjugation of the
West, some "scholars" arose in places like Egypt (Taha Hussein), India (Abdullah Chakralwi and Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz)
and Turkey (Zia Gokalp), who began questioning the authenticity and relevance of Hadith. It was not that some genius had
found flaws in the Hadith study that had eluded the entire Ummah for thirteen centuries. It was simply that the pressures
from the dominant Western civilization to conform were to strong for them to withstand. They buckled. Prophetic teachings
and life examples – Hadith – was the obstacle in this process and so it became the target.

   Another factor helped them. Today most Muslims, including the vast majority of the Western educated Muslims, have meager knowledge of Hadith, having spent no time in studying even the fundamentals of this vast subject. How many know
the difference between sahih and hassan, or between maudu and daif? The certification process used in hadith transmission? Names of any hadith book produced in the first century Hijrah, or the number of such books? A majority would probably not be able to name even the six principle Hadith books (Sihah Sittah) or know anything about the history of their compilation. Obviously such atmosphere provides a fertile ground for sowing suspicions and doubts.

 
They sometimes call themselves Ahle Quran or Quranists. This is misleading. For their distinction is not in affirming the Quran, but in rejecting the Hadith. The ideas of munkareen-e-hadith evolve into three mutually contradictory strains.

 The first holds that the job of the Prophet s.a.s was only to deliver the Quran. We are to follow only the Quran and nothing else, as were the companions. Further, Hadith is not needed to understand the Quran, which is sufficient for providing guidance.

 The second group holds that the Companions were required to follow the Prophet s.a.s but we are not.

 The third holds that, in theory, we also have to follow Hadith but we did not receive Hadith through authentic sources and therefore we have to reject all Hadith collections!

Internal contradictions are a hallmark of false ideologies.


  How can anyone hold the first position yet profess belief in the Quran while it says:
"And We have sent down unto You the Message so that you may explain clearly to mankind what was sent down to them, and so that they may give thought." Suratan Nahl 16:44

And this:

"Allah did confer a great favor on the Believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, who rehearses unto them the Signs of Allah, purifies them, instructs them in Scripture, and teaches them Wisdom, whereas previously they had been in plain error." Surah Al-e-Imran 3:164

  How can anyone hold the second position (limiting the Prophet hood to 23 years) yet profess belief in the Quran, while it
says:

  "We did not send you except as Mercy for everybody in the universe." Suratul Anbiya 21:107
And,

  "And We have not sent you (O Mohammad) except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind."
Suratus Saba 34:28

   The third position seems to have avoided obvious pitfalls, yet in reality it is no different. It agrees that we need Hadith, but then goes on to claim that Allah did not provide what we need for our guidance.
The following are some of the statements normally made by
Hadith rejectors.


The Reliability of Sources:
"We accept Allah's Word that He has protected the Quran from corruption, but why should we accept the words of the
Hadith collectors? Are they as infallible as Allah s.w.t?"

  This makes you wonder whether the Hadith rejectors realize how we received the Quran. For we have received both the Quran and the Hadith through exactly the same channels. The same people transmitted this as the Word of Allah s.w.t and that as the word of the Prophet s.a.s. Even the verse claiming that the Quran will be protected came to us through the same people. Through what logic can anyone declare that the channels are reliable for the Quran and unreliable for Hadith? On the contrary the Quranic promise of protection must apply to Hadith as well for there is no point in protecting the words but not the meanings of the Quran.

  Were Ahadith Written Down For The First Time In The Third Century Of The Hijra?

  The very existence of a huge library of Hadith, the only one of its kind among the religious of the world, assures us that our
expectation that Hadith – the embodiment of Prophetic explanation of the Quran – must have been protected is not in vain.
To dismiss all that as later day fabrication requires lots of guts – and equal parts ignorance.
Were ahadith written down for the first time in the third century of Hijra? Not at all. Actually hadith recording and collection
started at the time of the Prophet s.a.s.
Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al 'As r.a sought and was given the permission to write everything he heard from the Prophet s.a.s:
Sayyidina Abdullah ibn Amr s.a.s reports: "I used to write everything I heard from the Messenger s.a.s as I wanted to
preserve it. The Quraish forbade me, saying: 'Do you write everything that you hear [from him] and the Messenger is a
human being who sometimes speaks in anger and joy?' [i.e. he may say something under the influence of emotions that
may not be worth writing.] So I stopped. Then I mentioned this to the Messenger s.a.s. He pointed with his fingers to his
mouth and said:
"Write! By the One in Whose Hands is my life! Nothing proceeds from here except the truth."
– Abu Dawood, 3161

    He produced Sahifa Sadiqa, which contained more than six thousand ahadith.

Anas ibn Malik r.a, who spent ten years in Prophet's household, not only recorded the ahadith but also presented them to the
Prophet s.a.s and got corrections. Abu Hurairah r.a. had many volumes of his collections and even produced smaller compilations for his students. Prominent Hadith scholar Dr. Mustafa Azami has shown in his doctoral thesis that in the first century of Hijra many hundred booklets of hadith were in circulation. By the end of the second century, "by the most conservative estimates there were many thousands."
Off course most of these books do not exist today. They were simply absorbed into the encyclopedic collections that
emerged in the third century. One manuscript from the first century was discovered in this century and published by Dr.Hamidullah. It is Sahifa Hammam ibn Munabbah, who was a disciple of Abu Hurairah r.a. It contains 138 ahadith.

   Muhaditheen knew that the ahadith of this Sahifa had been absorbed into Musnad Ahmed and Muslim collections., which
have been published continuously since their third century debut. After the discovery of the original manuscript it was  naturally compared with the ahadith in Muslim and Musnad Ahmed that were thought to have come from that Sahifa. And what did they find? There was not an iota of difference between the two. Similarly Mussanaf of Abd Al Razzaq is extant and has been published. As has been Mu'ammar ibn Rashid's al-Jami. The recent appearance of these original manuscripts should bring the most skeptical into the fold of believers.
Salat And Hadith Rejectors
"The Messenger s.a.s may have elaborated on items like mode of salat. Such hadith is probably from the Messenger s.a.s and should be obeyed. But we cannot believe the rest of the ahadith."

The Hadith rejecters have a particularly difficult time explaining how to offer salat if we are to throw away the Hadith.. So
they offer concessions like the one quoted above. But we don't need a favor for Hadith about salat (coming from the same
books and the same narrators who are declared as unreliable). We need an answer to this question.: If the Quran is the only authentic source of Guidance, why did it never explain how to offer salat, although it repeatdly talks about its importance, associating it with eternal success and failure? What would we think of a communication that repeatedly emphasizes a certain act but never explains how to perform it? There are only two possibilities. Either it is a terrible omission (and in that case it cannot be from God) or another source for the how-to information is provided and it is a
terrible mistake for any recipient to ignore that.

   Some Hadith rejectors have realized the difficulty of their position on Salat. But they have made a claim that is even more ludicrous, namely that the Quran gives details on how to offer salat. "A Careful reading of the Quran reveals that we are to get our salat from the Masjid al Haram [the continuous practice at Makkah since the time of Abraham]," says one proponent, "specifically the place of Abraham (Muqam-e-Ibrahim)." Let us leave aside all those practical questions about such a fluid answer. Whose salat? When? Are we to follow anyone and everyone we find praying at Maqam-e-Ibrahim. How are those offering salat there to determine the proper way of offering it? How do you resolve their differences? In his enthusiasm in proposing this innovative solution, this proponent even forgot that
the Quran says the following about the
salat of mushrikeen (polytheists) at the Masjid al Haram:
"Their prayer at the House of Allah is nothing but whistling and clapping. (its only answer can be)
"Taste  chastisement because you blasphemed." Suratul Anfal 8:35
The Sahih And The Gospels

"Hadith is the same as the Gospels of Christianity. Indeed the time span between the death of the Messenger and the compilation of the Sahihs was almost the same as that between the departure of Jesus a.s and the compilation of the Bible. How can Muslims accept one and reject the other?"

  Regarding the comparison of the Sahih with the Gospels, let's listen to Dr. Hamidullah.

"The compilation of the Gospels, their preservation and transmission from one generation to the other, has not taken place
in the way which governed the books of hadith… We do not know who wrote them, who translated them, and who transmitted them. How were they transferred from the original Aramaic to Greek? Did the scribes make arrangements for a faithful reproduction of the original? The four Gospels are mentioned, for the first time, three hundred years after Christ.
Should we rely on such an unauthentic book in preference to that of Bukhari who prefaces every statement of two lines with
three to nine references?"
"Allah s.w.t has protected only the Quran – not Islam – from corruption."

To say that Allah s.w.t. promised to protect only the Quran but not Islam is being as ridiculous as one can get.
Let's ignore the obvious question regarding the point of this Heavenly act. The question is if Islam has been corrupted and its true  teachings have been lost, how can anyone claim to be its follower?

  
Moreover the quran says:
"Anyone who desires something other than Islam as a religion will never have it accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will among the losers." Surah al-eImran 3:85

How are we to follow the religion acceptable to Allah s.w.t if it was not to be protected?

The Commnts Of Dr. Maurice Bucaille
"Dr. Maurice bucaille finds that Sahih bukhari is as unscientific as the bible"
Dr. Maurice Bucaille earned the admiration of many Muslims because of his study of some scientific phenomena mentioned in
the Quran and his testimony based on that study the Quran must be the book of Allah. However he is not a Hadith scholar
and it is unfair to drag him into this discussion. His account of history of hadith compilation contains many errors, for
example the claim that the first gathering of hadith was performed roughly forty years after Hijra or that no instructions were given regarding hadith collection. He questions about a dozen or so entries in Bukhari that he thinks deal with scientific matters. Even if that criticism were valid, would it be sufficient ground to throw away the 9082 toital entires (2602 unique ahadith) in Bukhari? He himself does not think so for he writes. "

  The truth of hadith from a religious point of view, is beyond question."

The Hadith Regarding The Sun But even his criticism is of questionable value. Consider the hadith about the sun: "At sunset the sun protrates itself underneath the Throne and takes permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then a time will come when it be about to prostrate itself…it will seek permission to go on its course… it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the West." His criticism: This implies a notion of a course the sun runs in relation to the earth." Bucaille fails to
understand the real message of this hadith. It was not meant to teach astronomy. It's clear message is that the sun is the slave of Allah, moving always through His Will. The Hadith brings out that message very powerfully so that even the most illiterate bedouin can understand it fully.
Even today astronomers, when calculating the time of sunrise and sunset, use a mathematical model in which the sun revolves around the earth. If that is acceptable for scientific work as it makes calculations easier, why is it questionable when it makes communication easier?

   Also there are other ahadith which clearly demonstrate a scientific fact beyond the knowledge of the times but Bucaille has
failed to take notice. For example the hadith about solar eclipse:
"The sun and moon are two signs from the Signs of Allah. They are not eclipsed on account of anyone's death or on account of anyone's birth, but Allah sends them to strike fear in hearts of His servants." Bukhari 990
The eclipse had coincided with the death of the Prophet's s.a.s son. A false prophet would have tried to exploit the occasion.
A fabricated hadith would require scientific knowledge on part of the fabricator that did not exist then.
To reject the Hadith is to reject the Quran for all practical purposes. The idea was concocted as a means of undermining the Quran while on the surface affirming faith in it.

    It
is time those who were misled by it out ignorance threw away this of our colonial past into the trash bin of history where it belongs.


And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
 اللهم صلي على نبينا محمد و على آله و صحبه و سلم
 

   To reject the Hadith is to reject the Quran for all practical purposes

   "Anyone who disobey Allah and His Messenger has wandered off into manifest error." Suratul Ahzaab 33:36

"He who obeys Allah and His Messenger has already achieved a splendid triumph." Suratul Ahzaab 33:71

   For the past fourteen centuries Quran and Sunnah have been the twin undisputed sources of Guidance for Muslims. In every
generation, Muslims devoted the best of their minds and talents to their study. They learnt both the words and meanings of the Quran through the Prophet s.a.s and made an unprecedented effort in preserving them for the next generation. The
result: the development of the marvelous – and unparalleled – science of Hadith, one of the brightest aspects of Muslim
history.

What does it mean to believe in a Prophet except to pledge to follow him?
 And so the teachings of the Prophet s.a.s have always guided this Ummah. Nobody, in his right mind, could or did question this practice.

   Then something happened. During the colonial period, when most of the Muslim world came under the subjugation of the
West, some "scholars" arose in places like Egypt (Taha Hussein), India (Abdullah Chakralwi and Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz)
and Turkey (Zia Gokalp), who began questioning the authenticity and relevance of Hadith. It was not that some genius had
found flaws in the Hadith study that had eluded the entire Ummah for thirteen centuries. It was simply that the pressures
from the dominant Western civilization to conform were to strong for them to withstand. They buckled. Prophetic teachings
and life examples – Hadith – was the obstacle in this process and so it became the target.

   Another factor helped them. Today most Muslims, including the vast majority of the Western educated Muslims, have meager knowledge of Hadith, having spent no time in studying even the fundamentals of this vast subject. How many know
the difference between sahih and hassan, or between maudu and daif? The certification process used in hadith transmission? Names of any hadith book produced in the first century Hijrah, or the number of such books? A majority would probably not be able to name even the six principle Hadith books (Sihah Sittah) or know anything about the history of their compilation. Obviously such atmosphere provides a fertile ground for sowing suspicions and doubts.

 
They sometimes call themselves Ahle Quran or Quranists. This is misleading. For their distinction is not in affirming the Quran, but in rejecting the Hadith. The ideas of munkareen-e-hadith evolve into three mutually contradictory strains.

 The first holds that the job of the Prophet s.a.s was only to deliver the Quran. We are to follow only the Quran and nothing else, as were the companions. Further, Hadith is not needed to understand the Quran, which is sufficient for providing guidance.

 The second group holds that the Companions were required to follow the Prophet s.a.s but we are not.

 The third holds that, in theory, we also have to follow Hadith but we did not receive Hadith through authentic sources and therefore we have to reject all Hadith collections!

Internal contradictions are a hallmark of false ideologies.


  How can anyone hold the first position yet profess belief in the Quran while it says:
"And We have sent down unto You the Message so that you may explain clearly to mankind what was sent down to them, and so that they may give thought." Suratan Nahl 16:44

And this:

"Allah did confer a great favor on the Believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, who rehearses unto them the Signs of Allah, purifies them, instructs them in Scripture, and teaches them Wisdom, whereas previously they had been in plain error." Surah Al-e-Imran 3:164

  How can anyone hold the second position (limiting the Prophet hood to 23 years) yet profess belief in the Quran, while it
says:

  "We did not send you except as Mercy for everybody in the universe." Suratul Anbiya 21:107
And,

  "And We have not sent you (O Mohammad) except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind."
Suratus Saba 34:28

   The third position seems to have avoided obvious pitfalls, yet in reality it is no different. It agrees that we need Hadith, but then goes on to claim that Allah did not provide what we need for our guidance.
The following are some of the statements normally made by
Hadith rejectors.


The Reliability of Sources:
"We accept Allah's Word that He has protected the Quran from corruption, but why should we accept the words of the
Hadith collectors? Are they as infallible as Allah s.w.t?"

  This makes you wonder whether the Hadith rejectors realize how we received the Quran. For we have received both the Quran and the Hadith through exactly the same channels. The same people transmitted this as the Word of Allah s.w.t and that as the word of the Prophet s.a.s. Even the verse claiming that the Quran will be protected came to us through the same people. Through what logic can anyone declare that the channels are reliable for the Quran and unreliable for Hadith? On the contrary the Quranic promise of protection must apply to Hadith as well for there is no point in protecting the words but not the meanings of the Quran.

  Were Ahadith Written Down For The First Time In The Third Century Of The Hijra?

  The very existence of a huge library of Hadith, the only one of its kind among the religious of the world, assures us that our
expectation that Hadith – the embodiment of Prophetic explanation of the Quran – must have been protected is not in vain.
To dismiss all that as later day fabrication requires lots of guts – and equal parts ignorance.
Were ahadith written down for the first time in the third century of Hijra? Not at all. Actually hadith recording and collection
started at the time of the Prophet s.a.s.
Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al 'As r.a sought and was given the permission to write everything he heard from the Prophet s.a.s:
Sayyidina Abdullah ibn Amr s.a.s reports: "I used to write everything I heard from the Messenger s.a.s as I wanted to
preserve it. The Quraish forbade me, saying: 'Do you write everything that you hear [from him] and the Messenger is a
human being who sometimes speaks in anger and joy?' [i.e. he may say something under the influence of emotions that
may not be worth writing.] So I stopped. Then I mentioned this to the Messenger s.a.s. He pointed with his fingers to his
mouth and said:
"Write! By the One in Whose Hands is my life! Nothing proceeds from here except the truth."
– Abu Dawood, 3161

    He produced Sahifa Sadiqa, which contained more than six thousand ahadith.

Anas ibn Malik r.a, who spent ten years in Prophet's household, not only recorded the ahadith but also presented them to the
Prophet s.a.s and got corrections. Abu Hurairah r.a. had many volumes of his collections and even produced smaller compilations for his students. Prominent Hadith scholar Dr. Mustafa Azami has shown in his doctoral thesis that in the first century of Hijra many hundred booklets of hadith were in circulation. By the end of the second century, "by the most conservative estimates there were many thousands."
Off course most of these books do not exist today. They were simply absorbed into the encyclopedic collections that
emerged in the third century. One manuscript from the first century was discovered in this century and published by Dr.Hamidullah. It is Sahifa Hammam ibn Munabbah, who was a disciple of Abu Hurairah r.a. It contains 138 ahadith.

   Muhaditheen knew that the ahadith of this Sahifa had been absorbed into Musnad Ahmed and Muslim collections., which
have been published continuously since their third century debut. After the discovery of the original manuscript it was  naturally compared with the ahadith in Muslim and Musnad Ahmed that were thought to have come from that Sahifa. And what did they find? There was not an iota of difference between the two. Similarly Mussanaf of Abd Al Razzaq is extant and has been published. As has been Mu'ammar ibn Rashid's al-Jami. The recent appearance of these original manuscripts should bring the most skeptical into the fold of believers.
Salat And Hadith Rejectors
"The Messenger s.a.s may have elaborated on items like mode of salat. Such hadith is probably from the Messenger s.a.s and should be obeyed. But we cannot believe the rest of the ahadith."

The Hadith rejecters have a particularly difficult time explaining how to offer salat if we are to throw away the Hadith.. So
they offer concessions like the one quoted above. But we don't need a favor for Hadith about salat (coming from the same
books and the same narrators who are declared as unreliable). We need an answer to this question.: If the Quran is the only authentic source of Guidance, why did it never explain how to offer salat, although it repeatdly talks about its importance, associating it with eternal success and failure? What would we think of a communication that repeatedly emphasizes a certain act but never explains how to perform it? There are only two possibilities. Either it is a terrible omission (and in that case it cannot be from God) or another source for the how-to information is provided and it is a
terrible mistake for any recipient to ignore that.

   Some Hadith rejectors have realized the difficulty of their position on Salat. But they have made a claim that is even more ludicrous, namely that the Quran gives details on how to offer salat. "A Careful reading of the Quran reveals that we are to get our salat from the Masjid al Haram [the continuous practice at Makkah since the time of Abraham]," says one proponent, "specifically the place of Abraham (Muqam-e-Ibrahim)." Let us leave aside all those practical questions about such a fluid answer. Whose salat? When? Are we to follow anyone and everyone we find praying at Maqam-e-Ibrahim. How are those offering salat there to determine the proper way of offering it? How do you resolve their differences? In his enthusiasm in proposing this innovative solution, this proponent even forgot that
the Quran says the following about the
salat of mushrikeen (polytheists) at the Masjid al Haram:
"Their prayer at the House of Allah is nothing but whistling and clapping. (its only answer can be)
"Taste  chastisement because you blasphemed." Suratul Anfal 8:35
The Sahih And The Gospels

"Hadith is the same as the Gospels of Christianity. Indeed the time span between the death of the Messenger and the compilation of the Sahihs was almost the same as that between the departure of Jesus a.s and the compilation of the Bible. How can Muslims accept one and reject the other?"

  Regarding the comparison of the Sahih with the Gospels, let's listen to Dr. Hamidullah.

"The compilation of the Gospels, their preservation and transmission from one generation to the other, has not taken place
in the way which governed the books of hadith… We do not know who wrote them, who translated them, and who transmitted them. How were they transferred from the original Aramaic to Greek? Did the scribes make arrangements for a faithful reproduction of the original? The four Gospels are mentioned, for the first time, three hundred years after Christ.
Should we rely on such an unauthentic book in preference to that of Bukhari who prefaces every statement of two lines with
three to nine references?"
"Allah s.w.t has protected only the Quran – not Islam – from corruption."

To say that Allah s.w.t. promised to protect only the Quran but not Islam is being as ridiculous as one can get.
Let's ignore the obvious question regarding the point of this Heavenly act. The question is if Islam has been corrupted and its true  teachings have been lost, how can anyone claim to be its follower?

  
Moreover the quran says:
"Anyone who desires something other than Islam as a religion will never have it accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will among the losers." Surah al-eImran 3:85

How are we to follow the religion acceptable to Allah s.w.t if it was not to be protected?

The Commnts Of Dr. Maurice Bucaille
"Dr. Maurice bucaille finds that Sahih bukhari is as unscientific as the bible"
Dr. Maurice Bucaille earned the admiration of many Muslims because of his study of some scientific phenomena mentioned in
the Quran and his testimony based on that study the Quran must be the book of Allah. However he is not a Hadith scholar
and it is unfair to drag him into this discussion. His account of history of hadith compilation contains many errors, for
example the claim that the first gathering of hadith was performed roughly forty years after Hijra or that no instructions were given regarding hadith collection. He questions about a dozen or so entries in Bukhari that he thinks deal with scientific matters. Even if that criticism were valid, would it be sufficient ground to throw away the 9082 toital entires (2602 unique ahadith) in Bukhari? He himself does not think so for he writes. "

  The truth of hadith from a religious point of view, is beyond question."

The Hadith Regarding The Sun But even his criticism is of questionable value. Consider the hadith about the sun: "At sunset the sun protrates itself underneath the Throne and takes permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then a time will come when it be about to prostrate itself…it will seek permission to go on its course… it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the West." His criticism: This implies a notion of a course the sun runs in relation to the earth." Bucaille fails to
understand the real message of this hadith. It was not meant to teach astronomy. It's clear message is that the sun is the slave of Allah, moving always through His Will. The Hadith brings out that message very powerfully so that even the most illiterate bedouin can understand it fully.
Even today astronomers, when calculating the time of sunrise and sunset, use a mathematical model in which the sun revolves around the earth. If that is acceptable for scientific work as it makes calculations easier, why is it questionable when it makes communication easier?

   Also there are other ahadith which clearly demonstrate a scientific fact beyond the knowledge of the times but Bucaille has
failed to take notice. For example the hadith about solar eclipse:
"The sun and moon are two signs from the Signs of Allah. They are not eclipsed on account of anyone's death or on account of anyone's birth, but Allah sends them to strike fear in hearts of His servants." Bukhari 990
The eclipse had coincided with the death of the Prophet's s.a.s son. A false prophet would have tried to exploit the occasion.
A fabricated hadith would require scientific knowledge on part of the fabricator that did not exist then.
To reject the Hadith is to reject the Quran for all practical purposes. The idea was concocted as a means of undermining the Quran while on the surface affirming faith in it.

    It
is time those who were misled by it out ignorance threw away this of our colonial past into the trash bin of history where it belongs.


 
So the hadith is also the true word of GOD realy some muslims reject the hadiths.
Like who and where is the devil is this realy true.
Muslim 619 The Messenger was fond of cats but he disliked dogs. At first he sent men to the corners of Medina that all dogs should be killed. Later he relented and allowed the possession of working dogs and guard dogs. However, he said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black dog having two spots on the eyes, for it is a devil."
Muslim 97 The Prophet said: "When anyone awakes from sleep, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose.
There are some other questions Iwould like ask you later on.
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So the hadith is also the true word of GOD realy some muslims reject the hadiths.
Like who and where is the devil is this realy true.
Muslim 619 The Messenger was fond of cats but he disliked dogs. At first he sent men to the corners of Medina that all dogs should be killed. Later he relented and allowed the possession of working dogs and guard dogs. However, he said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black dog having two spots on the eyes, for it is a devil."


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Originally posted by JOUBERAR

Muslim 97 The Prophet said: "When anyone awakes from sleep, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose.
There are some other questions Iwould like ask you later on.


 You must have read your own Bible which has dozens of statements about Satan entering the bodies and bellies of people. The Gospel of John says that after Judas ate food from Jesus’ own hand, “Satan entered into him.” (John 13:27)

 So if after eating food from Jesus’ hand one could not be safe from Satan, what is surprising if an ordinary person has Satan near his nose during the night?


 Anyway here is complete response "Does Satan Stay in a Muslim’s Nose Overnight?"



 
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Quote JOUBERAR Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2010 at 5:33am
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So the hadith is also the true word of GOD realy some muslims reject the hadiths.
Like who and where is the devil is this realy true.
Muslim 619 The Messenger was fond of cats but he disliked dogs. At first he sent men to the corners of Medina that all dogs should be killed. Later he relented and allowed the possession of working dogs and guard dogs. However, he said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black dog having two spots on the eyes, for it is a devil."


 Here is response "Muhammad and Dogs"

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Muslim 97 The Prophet said: "When anyone awakes from sleep, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose.
There are some other questions Iwould like ask you later on.


 You must have read your own Bible which has dozens of statements about Satan entering the bodies and bellies of people. The Gospel of John says that after Judas ate food from Jesus’ own hand, “Satan entered into him.” (John 13:27)

 So if after eating food from Jesus’ hand one could not be safe from Satan, what is surprising if an ordinary person has Satan near his nose during the night?


 Anyway here is complete response "Does Satan Stay in a Muslim’s Nose Overnight?"



 
 
Muslims have an excuse for everything in thier scripture no matter wrong or foolish it sound, just an excuse but no answer to run away from the point.. 
 
Mansoor Ali this is exactly what is standing in the hadiths is it true or false superstitios I presume have you read it.
 
  Looking closely at the life of Muhammad, we find that he was a superstitious man and many of his superstitions became part of the religion that originated with him – Islam.  One aspect in which this is manifest is in his attitude toward dogs.  He made a number of irrational comments about dogs.  His beliefs on dogs may have come from various sources such as cultural bias, pagan concepts, demonic influences, or perhaps from his own imagination.  In any case they portray a man ascribing to superstition.  His perspective concerning dogs is somewhat bizarre and deserves a close examination.

 NOTE:  There are many statements found in the Traditions ascribed to Muhammad or a spirit (assumed to be Gabriel), that concern dogs.  I cannot list them all but I will provide a thorough selection.

I  have ask you if it was true Muhammad say I haven,t ask you quote out the bible from Juda in any way Jesus didn't tell Judas the Satan is gonna enter you from your nose.According to islam Satan must then everones nose when he or she wake up.So what is the devil a dog or something or someone who spends all the night everybody's noses.

Thank you for trying to answer my question but I have asked it for Fullofhopes 

Joh 13:27 And when Judas took the bread Satan went into him. Then Jesus said to him, Do quickly what you have to do.

 


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