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bullet Posted: 04 February 2010 at 9:05am
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You are very welcome brother Uri.I knew from the very first instance when i read your post that you are a sincere seeker of the truth Mashallah.God has given us senses to use.We need to put them in good use and when u do that GOD will guide you and help you get all your answers from his glorious Quran.The sincere ones are only those who will be permitted to understand the Quran.The ones who wish to follow their leaders blindly will have a lot to answer.
 
Anyways coming back to the original topic,again i would like to assert that such Hadiths are nothing but blasphemous attacks on the final Prophet.i cant believe that the ones who claim to love him so much are defending such hadiths.These Hadiths show the Prophet as aggressive and being a predator.This is nothing but a horrendous crime.The Prophet was blessed with a great moral character.Only the rejectors of the Quran would ignore the Quranic verse and try to defend such Hadiths.
 
"3. I find it really disturbing that a prophet Muhhamad was able to do things that were not allowed to other followers. Also, have you noticed a difference between prophet Isa and prophet Muhhamad? I have. And then if Quran is message for umma.. how come it mentions Muhammad so many times? Honestly, I wish I could see a good sample to follow.. but lots of stuff just gets in a way of that."
 
Brother Uri,if u ask who can be ur best example,many would say Prophet Muhammad(Which is right).The Quran also mentions Prophet Ibrahim as an example to follow.However,since both these Prophets are not amoung us now,we follow what was left behind and the Prophet only left behind the Quran and nothing but the Quran.One of the proofs to that would be the below verse in the Quran.The verse only mentions the Quran and not the messenger's Sunnah or Hadith.When you follow the Quran alone,there will be nothing that gets in your way to find the truth Inshallah.If u have any questions you can PM me and inshallah i will be more than happy to help you.
 
25:30] The messenger* said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
   
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You are free to ignore me.i have no problems but please do not ignore such Quranic verses.Putting a word"Islam or Muslim" beside your name wouldnt make much sense then.
 
 
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bullet Posted: 04 February 2010 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by haris30432

 
One of the proofs to that would be the below verse in the Quran.The verse only mentions the Quran and not the messenger's Sunnah or Hadith.When you follow the Quran alone,there will be nothing that gets in your way to find the truth Inshallah.If u have any questions you can PM me and inshallah i will be more than happy to help you.
 
25:30] The messenger* said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
   
 
 
haris30432,
 
Once again, I tell you that please don't bring such matters anywhere in the forum except intrafaith section.
 
I have a question for you. You say that the Qur'an alone should be followed (not the messenger's sunnah or ahadith). But, the Qur'an dictates us to follow Allah and His Messenger:
 
"Believe in Allah and His apostle, and spend (in charity) out of the (substance) whereof He has made you heirs. For, those of you who believe and spend (in charity),- for them is a great Reward."
 
Qur'an 57:7
 
Please reply in the thread created for you in the intrafaith section Post of Haris30432
 
Uri S,
 
It is better to take one step at a time. Start with the Qur'an, and then ahadith. Your knowledge about Islam will grow gradually. And yes, come back here, ask questions one by one. When one question has been addressed to the conclusion, then ask another question. That way, all your questions would possibly be addressed. Nobody is a scholar here, but we would try our best to answer your questions.
 
So, have you read the Qur'an with translation, brother? If not, please let me know the language in which you may understand it the best way, and I may look for the Qur'an translation in that language.
 
May Allah guide us all.
 
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Edited by peacemaker - 06 February 2010 at 5:47pm
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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@Peace maker, i certainly will try my best to comply with the guidelines Inshallah.My deviation from the topic was not intentional( it was God's will)Smile.
 
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bullet Posted: 13 February 2010 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by peacemaker



Uri S,

 

It is better to take one step at a time. Start with the Qur'an, and then ahadith. Your knowledge about Islam will grow gradually. And yes, come back here, ask questions one by one. When one question has been addressed to the conclusion, then ask another question. That way, all your questions would possibly be addressed. Nobody is a scholar here, but we would try our best to answer your questions.

 

So, have you read the Qur'an with translation, brother? If not, please let me know the language in which you may understand it the best way, and I may look for the Qur'an translation in that language.

 

May Allah guide us all.

 

Peace


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Sorry I wasn't answering, well if you say that I should ask one thing at the time.. let's do that. You've asked if I've red quran, yes I'm reading it.. in english and russian. Anyway, here's the question. I see you all getting at haris30432 cause seems like he's abolishing hadith and that's not right according to you. Well, who's to say that you are right? I mean wasn't quran revealed so that faith could be easy to everyone? And yet, you still say that to explain a lot of things from it you need a scholar.. My understanding, every person is different and every person will emphasize their views.. Shouldn't we be guided by quran only since it's the law of God instead of being guided by a person? Look at talibs, they also interpret islam, but their way, and they do believe that their islam is true one.. and muslims end up killing muslims.. Don't forget about other schools of islam - salafi, wahhabi, shia.. I had no idea there were so many of them. So, why do we need scholars, all they will bring is their view on islam and who's to say if it's a correct one? And which school of islam is.. true path?


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You can read the thread at Intrafaith section wherein there's a  discussion with haris. We are not judging him. Allah swt commands us in the Qur'an to obey Prophet. Haris, is n't proving us, as how he obeys Prophet. By the way, how can you say that we are not right ? Is n't that you are judging us. Kindly note that on mere opinions and desires of oneself, we shud n't judge anyone. We members who opposed Haris stand, viewed him thru Qur'an and sunnah. If you want us to prove wrong, i wish you too use the same criteria, i.e prove us wrong from Qu'ran and hadith.

To answer you in simple terms as why we need a scholar - Scholars are learnt persons. They do possess more knowledge, than us. They spent there times, energies and talents totally, to study Islam. What brother stated is we are n't scholars. We don't possess perfect knowledge as scholars do. Don't we move on to more learnt person to gain more knowledge generally?
 
About which path to follow. We muslims don't encourage divisions and confuse people. Islam is simple. We have Qur'an before you, we have an Ideal before us of whom Allah swt commanded us to take him as our Ideal in our lives - i.e our Prophet Muhammad. Answer is simple, follow Qur'an and cling to sunnah {sayings and practices of Prophet}. Don't bother if you are salalfi/sunni or stuff. Pray Allah swt , who is our Creator, to guide us to a path He has shown us.
 
Now, your next question ?
 
 
 
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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bullet Posted: 14 February 2010 at 1:08am
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You can read the thread at Intrafaith section wherein there's a  discussion with haris. We are not judging him. Allah swt commands us in the Qur'an to obey Prophet. Haris, is n't proving us, as how he obeys Prophet. By the way, how can you say that we are not right ? Is n't that you are judging us. Kindly note that on mere opinions and desires of oneself, we shud n't judge anyone. We members who opposed Haris stand, viewed him thru Qur'an and sunnah. If you want us to prove wrong, i wish you too use the same criteria, i.e prove us wrong from Qu'ran and hadith.


You are amazing me.. where did you see me saying that you are wrong or judging you? All I said is: "who's to say that you are right?" I was merely asking on what bases you believe that your way is the only way.. I am not trying to prove you wrong, don't you get it? I am not here to do so. I'm here only to get answers to my questions.

To answer you in simple terms as why we need a scholar - Scholars are learnt persons. They do possess more knowledge, than us. They spent there times, energies and talents totally, to study Islam. What brother stated is we are n't scholars. We don't possess perfect knowledge as scholars do. Don't we move on to more learnt person to gain more knowledge generally?

Christians have theologians.. we have scholars.. same path. Isn't all the knowledge in quran? And don't we have the same quran? Or do they have a different one? Or their quran explains some things better then mine? Don't think so. So, it will be no more but their views on islam, their interpretations.. why would I need someone to guide me if I have quran where everything is stated clearly..??

About which path to follow. We muslims don't encourage divisions and confuse people. Islam is simple. We have Qur'an before you, we have an Ideal before us of whom Allah swt commanded us to take him as our Ideal in our lives - i.e our Prophet Muhammad. Answer is simple, follow Qur'an and cling to sunnah {sayings and practices of Prophet}. Don't bother if you are salalfi/sunni or stuff. Pray Allah swt , who is our Creator, to guide us to a path He has shown us.


There it is. Hidden message. "And cling to sunnah". Isn't that a way to say "sunni islam is a right path"?

Now, your next question ?


Sorry, we are still on this one.


P.S. People keep repeating islam is simple.. yet it seems like so many people try to make it more compicated then it really is. At least to me.


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You can read the thread at Intrafaith section wherein there's a  discussion with haris. We are not judging him. Allah swt commands us in the Qur'an to obey Prophet. Haris, is n't proving us, as how he obeys Prophet. By the way, how can you say that we are not right ? Is n't that you are judging us. Kindly note that on mere opinions and desires of oneself, we shud n't judge anyone. We members who opposed Haris stand, viewed him thru Qur'an and sunnah. If you want us to prove wrong, i wish you too use the same criteria, i.e prove us wrong from Qu'ran and hadith.


You are amazing me.. where did you see me saying that you are wrong or judging you? All I said is: "who's to say that you are right?" I was merely asking on what bases you believe that your way is the only way.. I am not trying to prove you wrong, don't you get it? I am not here to do so. I'm here only to get answers to my questions.
 
Whatever, we will stop that discussion now.

To answer you in simple terms as why we need a scholar - Scholars are learnt persons. They do possess more knowledge, than us. They spent there times, energies and talents totally, to study Islam. What brother stated is we are n't scholars. We don't possess perfect knowledge as scholars do. Don't we move on to more learnt person to gain more knowledge generally?

Christians have theologians.. we have scholars.. same path. Isn't all the knowledge in quran? And don't we have the same quran? Or do they have a different one? Or their quran explains some things better then mine? Don't think so. So, it will be no more but their views on islam, their interpretations.. why would I need someone to guide me if I have quran where everything is stated clearly..??
 
Uri, its not compulsory that you seek a scholar. Okay !! What we meant to say that we don't possess so much of knowledge like that of a scholar. That was the humbleness of Br.Peacemaker. Hope you got the point. Did we ever say, Uri, you need to see a scholar Smile
 
Now, suppose if  a person belongs to a rural area. They never knew what a computer is, but just heard its name. A little learnt person, when brings a computer to his home, will he just read its manual and install & run it. Can he ? What he does is, he brings along a person, who knows to install it and start up. He teaches him few new things as well. This was a simple example i designed out of my understanding to explain you, that by just reading manual { Qur'an}, one cannot totally understand. A person who was bought to install, is like our Prophet, who was called as a walking Qur'an. I hope am clear.

About which path to follow. We muslims don't encourage divisions and confuse people. Islam is simple. We have Qur'an before you, we have an Ideal before us of whom Allah swt commanded us to take him as our Ideal in our lives - i.e our Prophet Muhammad. Answer is simple, follow Qur'an and cling to sunnah {sayings and practices of Prophet}. Don't bother if you are salalfi/sunni or stuff. Pray Allah swt , who is our Creator, to guide us to a path He has shown us.


There it is. Hidden message. "And cling to sunnah". Isn't that a way to say "sunni islam is a right path"?
 
I don't speak indirectly. I never meant that. Since sunnah and sunni are closer in terms you derived such !!

Now, your next question ?
Sorry, we are still on this one.
 
 Okay, untill you get cleared, kindly don't move to the next.
 
I learnt that Haris is working thru PMs just because his posts were deleted. Let me tell that the new members, irrespective of their religion, or sect, needs there posts to be approved. Its not that we are against posts of Haris, that he is working thru PMs. When one feels he is right, he shud be over boards. If we were against Haris, we would never approve a single post of his.  Why would we approve few and delete ! i myselves approved his posts. I thought to write openly instead of answering him thru his PM.
 
 



P.S. People keep repeating islam is simple.. yet it seems like so many people try to make it more compicated then it really is. At least to me.
 
Kindly shed that blockade from your mind that its complicated, else you shall see white as black always. Smile
 

 


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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I learnt that Haris is working thru PMs just because his posts were deleted. Let me tell that the new members, irrespective of their religion, or sect, needs there posts to be approved. Its not that we are against posts of Haris, that he is working thru PMs. When one feels he is right, he shud be over boards. If we were against Haris, we would never approve a single post of his.  Why would we approve few and delete ! i myselves approved his posts. I thought to write openly instead of answering him thru his PM.
 
You only approved those u think u can give some kind of a reply.All the other ones you just deleted.Thank GOD for pms the messages reached those blessed to get the message.Iam glad you acknowleged that u approved only few of the many i posted.God bless u for that :D.
 
Now, suppose if  a person belongs to a rural area. They never knew what a computer is, but just heard its name. A little learnt person, when brings a computer to his home, will he just read its manual and install & run it. Can he ? What he does is, he brings along a person, who knows to install it and start up. He teaches him few new things as well. This was a simple example i designed out of my understanding to explain you, that by just reading manual { Qur'an}, one cannot totally understand. A person who was bought to install, is like our Prophet, who was called as a walking Qur'an. I hope am clear.
My GOD! do u really believe that Quran is that complicated?Why didnt the Prophet write or have some one write down his sayings during his life time if it wouldve been of so much importance in these times?Did he forget ?Did GoD forget?Why does GOD  promise that only his words will be preserved and not the sayings of the final Prophet? 
 
Kindly shed that blockade from your mind that its complicated, else you shall see white as black always. Smile
 
Good piece of advice.Id like to offer you the same.Quran isnt complicated.Its easy to study.Believe your LORD,trust him and he will teach u without any scholars.
 

[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.

 
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