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bullet Posted: 01 February 2010 at 3:09am
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All that is claimed as Sunnah and Hadith of the prophet are mere hearsays recorded nearly 200 years after the prophet and not by the prophet himself.The Quran came out of his mouth and therefore that is the real hadith but the disbelievers cannot understand it.The ones who follow the hadith and Sunnah themselves admit that many of the hadiths are false.Yet,they choose to follow an inconsistant source when God commands them to follow the only consistant source ie the Quran.

I replied to this above and said Allah orders us to take everything from the prophet peace peave be upon him, which is Hadith also. The whole Ummah agreed on Hadith in those days of pure and perfect Muslims and no one said let us just leave Hadith cuase some lied in it.
 
 The Muslim scholars worked so hard on this and spent thier lives to make sure of the hadithes. They left for us STRONG SAHEEH HADITHS, and warn us of the lies.
 
 I konw those people whp deny the importance of hadith and I am not here to fight. I tell the truth and then Allah will ask you about this.
 
 
Now if we are true believers,we should be thinking that if GOD says his Quran is complete,perfect and fully detailed and that he did not leave anything out of it,it should be the truth.There should be no doubts.One would then ask where are the details of the salat?.Why did not GOD explain the details of such an important form of worship?.The answer is within the Quran.We learn from the Quran that all practices of islam came through Ibrahim and not Muhammed.Muhammed was asked to follow ibrahim's religion.The Salat,the Zakat,Hajj etc was taught to ibrahim by GOD and Muhammad just followed those practices.

[2:124] Recall that Abraham was put to the test by his Lord, through certain commands, and he fulfilled them. (God) said, "I am appointing you an IMAM for the people." He said, "And also my descendants?" He said, "My covenant does not include the transgressors."

Abraham:

Delivered All

Religious Duties of Islam

[21:73] We made them IMAMS who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat).* To us, they were devoted worshipers.

[2:125] We have rendered the shrine (the Ka'aba) a focal point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned Abraham and Ismail: "You shall purify My house for those who visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate."

[2:127] As Abraham raised the foundations of the shrine, together with Ismail (they prayed): "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient.

[2:130] Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.

[2:132] Moreover, Abraham exhorted his children to do the same, and so did Jacob: "O my children, GOD has pointed out the religion for you; do not die except as submitters(Muslims)."

[2:135] They said, "You have to be Jewish or Christian, to be guided." Say, "We follow the religion of Abrahammonotheismhe never was an idol worshiper."

 

[3:68] The people most worthy of Abraham are those who followed him, and this prophet, and those who believe. GOD is the Lord and Master of the believers.

Muhammad:

A Follower of Abraham*

[16:123] Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.

 
*2:135 The Quran repeatedly informs us that Submission is the religion of Abraham (3:95, 4:125, 6:161, 22:78). Abraham received a practical "scripture," namely, all the duties and practices of Submission [the Contact Prayers (Salat), the obligatory charity (Zakat), the fasting of Ramadan, and the Hajj pilgrimage]. Muhammad was a follower of Abraham's religion, as we see in 16:123; he delivered this Final Testament, the Quran.


Edited by Full of Hopes - 01 February 2010 at 3:16am
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bullet Posted: 01 February 2010 at 3:41am
Originally posted by haris30432

 Peace,

I apologize if im ignoring the original questioner of the discussion in this post.However, i wish to clear something with the sisters and brothers in this forum.First and foremost, i would like to start by saying that im not against Hadith and Sunnah.Its just that my H&S are a little different than yours. My Hadith is the Quran and my Sunnah is Allah's Sunnah(what he teaches us i mean).
 
 BUT you can never never follow the Sunnah of Allah when you leave the Sunnah of his dearest prophet, peace be upon him, HOW COME? Confused
 
 To be a Muslim you MUST take the prophet's peace be upon him Sunna beside the Quraan. It is clear in Islam that you need to believe in Muhammed peace be upon him and take his Sunna beside believing in Allah and Quraan.
 
   In the above post one sister has put out some interesting points in support of her understanding that Quran without the Hadith is incomplete. I never said that. I KNOW: Quraan is COMPLETE. My point was you can not be a Muslim when you just stick to Quraan and leave the Sunnah behind your back.
  The salat is not detailed.The Zakat is not detailed.The Hajj is not detailed etc etc.Indirectly, they tell you that the Quran is incomplete. Check the article again.
 God is either bluffing or when God says its complete there is a hidden meaning which only a scholar can decode.

[6:38] All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book.** To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.

[30:58] Thus, we have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples. Yet, no matter what kind of proof you present to the disbelievers, they say, "You are falsifiers."

This is the truth, Sunna and Hadith are the second source of Islam. As they are the words of the prophet, peace be upon him, who never says false and who is all of his words are inspiration form Allah, the Greatest.
 
The above statement is totally against the Quran.Please examine the below verse.
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
 
 Subahallah, Ouch how the person who typed this is kind of misgudied and wants to misgudie others. Please go back to the puropse of this aya being revleaved read it will and read the whole story. Undersatnd the meaning that ALlah wanted to say and then come here share.
 
Prophet Muhammed only taught and lived according to the Quran and nothing else.TRUE!!Thumbs%20Up The claim that Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم was infalliable and that all he did and said was an inspiration is wrong. 
 
Qura'an relpies to you.
 

53.1  By the Star when it goes down,-

 

53.2  Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.

 

53.3  Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.

 

53.4  It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:

 

 This elevates him  from being a normal human being to a Super man.The verses below prove that Muhammedصلى الله عليه و سلم indeed was nothing more than a nor mal human being who received the scripture and was blessed with prophethood  just like all others before him. 
 
 We did not say he was a upernationla but he is a special person for many reasons and even special prophet, peace be upon him. Read more and know mroe then come here share.
 
 
[3:144] Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative.

[18:110] Say, "I am no more than a human like you, being inspired that your god is one god. Those who hope to meet their Lord shall work righteousness, and never worship any other god beside his Lord."

[7:188] Say, "I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what GOD wills happens to me. If I knew the future, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe."

MUHAMMAD صلى الله عليه و سلم WAS NOT INFALLIABLE.
 
The below verse clearly points out that Muhammad was not infalliable.

[66:1] O you prophet, why do you prohibit what GOD has made lawful for you, just to please your wives? GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.*

*66:1 Mohammedans around the world believe that Muhammad was infallible. This verse teaches us that he was indeed a fallible human being (18:110, 33:37, 40:66, 80:1

 Note: I think you alwyas forget to say: peace be upon him after the name of my lovely dearest man, prophet Muhammad peace be upon him,my soul and my parents souls are sacrificed for him. Is it alsoQuraan that says this?
صلى الله عليه و سلم


Edited by Full of Hopes - 01 February 2010 at 3:43am
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bullet Posted: 01 February 2010 at 3:48am

 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

اللهم صلي الله عليه وعلى آله و صحبه  سلم
 
 K I told the whole truth and I am here just for brother Uri S. I am really busy and I gave my time just for him. Just cause he is a dear brother. May Allah relieves his pain and supports him. May Allah guides me and him.
   SO please DO NOT WASTE MY TIME brother Haris. I really like your polite and kind way but you want to reject the truth, you reject the prphet's Sunna and want to say the sunna is just Quraan. I told you the truth and did my job. I will try not to add more cause I told you the truth and enough. I hate to debate. May Allah guide me and you. Smile
 


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bullet Posted: 01 February 2010 at 5:24am
Peace,
 
I have clearly stated everything in my post with references from the Quran which you seem to have deliberately ignored.You have replied to a few picked and chosen sentences from my post and ignored most of the most important ones which i assume u have no answer to.May be thats how you reply.May be i too can try the same Inshallah.So here goes. 
 
Prophet Muhammed only taught and lived according to the Quran and nothing else.TRUE!!Thumbs%20Up 
 
Well then why dont u just follow Quran Alone?
Subahallah, Ouch how the person who typed this is kind of misgudied and wants to misgudie others. Please go back to the puropse of this aya being revleaved read it will and read the whole story. Undersatnd the meaning that ALlah wanted to say and then come here share.
 
Im very sorry i do not wish to disobey my lord by going to any other sources other than the Quran if thats what u mean.Im content with the Quran which was revealed to prophet Muhammad.I dont need a thousand volumes of other books written 200 years after the prophet by somebody from uzbekistan to figure out what God means by the verse.The Quran has been made easy to study for anyone.Alhamdulillah!.If following the Quran alone is misguidance, im happy to be misguided or being called misguided.All followers of truth were called the same by the jews during Jesus's time and the Arabs during Muhammad's time.Your name calling is just history repeating itself for me Smile.  
 
53.4  It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:
 
Yes,but the "IT" in the verse is not anything and everything that came of out of the prophet's mouth.The "IT" in the verse means the Quran.The Quran which he delivered to the people.And his mission was only to deliver the Quran.

[5:99] The sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message, and GOD knows everything you declare and everything you conceal.

[6:48] We do not send the messengers except as deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who believe and reform have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

 We did not say he was a upernationla but he is a special person for many reasons and even special prophet, peace be upon him. Read more and know mroe then come here share.
 
You seem to have totally ignored the verse i posted or may be you did not understand the very clear verse.Anyways, ill repost it.Please read carefully and understand inshallah.
 
[3:144] Muhammad was no more than a messenger LIKE the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative.
 
Even though the above verse is very clear you seem to be idolizing the prophet by giving him a special position compared to other prophets which the Almighty did not give.I challenge you to show me a verse from the Quran which clearly tells that prophet Muhammed has a special position than other prophets. Please read the Quran before you type such horrendous statements. PLUS you are making a distinction amoung the messengers of GOD by making such a statement.This is a clear violation of direct and repeated commandments by GOD in the Quran.
 

2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

[2:285] The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers: "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey.* Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny.

[3:84] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

[4:152] As for those who believe in GOD and His messengers, and make no distinction among them, He will grant them their recompense. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[27:59] Say, "Praise be to GOD and peace be upon His servants whom He chose. Is GOD better, or the idols some people set up?"

 Peace!
 
 

 
 
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bullet Posted: 01 February 2010 at 5:31am
Peace,
 
K I told the whole truth and I am here just for brother Uri S. I am really busy and I gave my time just for him. Just cause he is a dear brother. May Allah relieves his pain and supports him. May Allah guides me and him.
   SO please DO NOT WASTE MY TIME brother Haris. I really like your polite and kind way but you want to reject the truth, you reject the prphet's Sunna and want to say the sunna is just Quraan. I told you the truth and did my job. I will try not to add more cause I told you the truth and enough. I hate to debate. May Allah guide me and you. Smile

[16:125] You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

Inspite of the above verse,u seem to be very reluctant to learn and debate thats not a good sign sister.The truth should not disturb you ,it should make u happy and enlighten you.By refusing to debate you are again disobeying God.Anyways,if you would like to stop, i do not wish to force you to anything.Im commanded not use complusion in matters of religion.Smile
 
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bullet Posted: 01 February 2010 at 1:26pm

 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صلي على نبينا محمد و على آله و صحبه و سلم
  Show your religion Islam beside your name dear brother Haris?
        Quraan tells us to be proud of our Islam and show it clear.
  Visit these links please, if you seek the truth

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Why is prophet Muhammed peace be upon him special?
 
 2- the Life of Prophet Muhammad (saw)

 3- If we are talking about him what would we say?
 
 4- Prophet Muhammad {Pbuh} - Protector of life

 5- How much do you love the prophet SAAW?



 


Edited by Full of Hopes - 01 February 2010 at 1:27pm
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 Asslamu Alaikum Wa Rahmau Allah
 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صلي على نبينا محمد و على أله و صحبه و سلم

 I pray that you are fine and increasing in Imaan and in stonrg faith brother Uri S. I pray Ya Allah Ya Haya Ya Gaioom, helps you and protects you.

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bullet Posted: 01 February 2010 at 9:42pm
haris30432,
 
Please start a thread in intrafaith section, where you possibly may discuss your subject. Please comply with the  Guidelines.
 
Your last post would be moved to  that section (thread: post of  haris30432):
 
 


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