Originally posted by martha


I think we need to get a better perspective on this. I recently posted on another thread that as humans we ultimately take the decision on whether to join the forces..knowing that we might have to fight.
Pres Obama in his speech yesterday added that young men and women know they might have to fight and perhaps give their life.

Primarily you are an active soldier, any other specialist qualification you hold is an extra..and this Malik Nidal Hasan would have known that.

 I think when he joined there was no Iraqi &
Afghani invasion in the picture and he was not a soldier to know all
the implications, he was a shrinker with a medical degree...

There may have been no 2nd war in Iraq, or currently Afghanistan. BUt George Bush senior,in charge of the American Empire, went into Iraq in '90, some years before Dr Hasan joined up. The general feeling about the Iraq war #1 was seen as as short term success. So Hasan deluded himself. Army service is no picnic. Initial training is as a fighting soldier, that's what its all about. If he wanted to just be a shrinker then he could have done that without joining up.

There is nothing wrong in fighting for your country of birth if you are a muslim. Muhammad Ali blazed that trail...He became a conscientious objector even when there was a draft in force!

Like so many other conscientious objectors. Again they have a choice. NOt sure what your point is with this.

Again I recently posted on another thread that many muslims fought in the 1st and 2nd world war by choice.It does not mean you are disloyal to your religion.


Oh really all I know is that they were ignorant mercenaries totally devoid of any Islamic knowledge!
They are the ones who have created a major problem that exist today in their countries!

Like you say, all you know is that when WW1 and WW2 were raging they weren't muslims in charge.
At the time they resolved a problem the best they could. OThers since then,from all sides, create current problems.

 I posed a question yesterday..should you obey the laws of your country...the answers came back as yes, as muslims we should. I feel that this can apply in this instance.

Who gave you that? You can only join the fight when your country is directly attacked by the real enemy not imagined one and for attacking others without justification...

Islamically we should obey the law. Or don't you agree? And one has to define imagined enemy and justification. Sure you can fight when you are directly attacked, but at times you don't wait. If there is impending threat then you strike. Seems there is some threat from Afghanistan. But as the taliban are moving into Pakistan then I guess it will shift there more in the future. The taliban is real, it is not imaginary. War is ugly. NOthing imagined there.

So...if Malik Nidal Hasan was of sound mind then there was nothing to prevent him from being deployed.. ok,he thought he would be based in a hospital, nothing to say where that hospital would be.

He didn't prove of the sound mind...I think he was burnt out listening to the blood and gore details from his war returnees mental patients...the hospital would be in the middle of the occupation bases in Iraq or Afghanistan where else?  

Originally posted by martha

I find it surprising that Dr Hasan went into this form of medicine. Religion and psychiatry do not mix.

Or was part of his treatment to convert the sick to Islam? Hmm..interesting thought.

Originally posted by Sign*Reader


Psychiatry is part of the MD practice, someone needs to write the prescriptions for the mentally sick...where does it say that it doesn't mix with religion? May be you are mixing it with Freud's stuff!