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Akhe Abdullah
Male Islam Senior Member
Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1203 |
![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:34am |
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Originally posted by martha Salams siter Martha. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="middle" /> I would like to point out that I said nothing about what you are saying,and again im not referring to Christians you keep on bringing them up.There is no compulsion in the religion of Al-Islam,no one is forcing anyone to do anything.There are others ways of fighting in which we do here with our words and the Qur'an and Al-Haqq is our best weapon."Life is an on going fight within ourselves."True its called Jihad [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="middle" /> Like you say brother, it is complicated. But life is not just about muslims, sorry to say. CHristians are also humans To fight in order to live righteously does not necessarily mean we fight by the sword. If it is not right to fight a fellow muslim it does not mean it gives us automatic right to fight a non-muslim. If I have a grievance with a non-muslim I am hardly likely to fight him because he doesnt follow my chosen religion. Wars are about money and land...seldom about religion. Life is an ongoing fight within ourselves. Edited by Akhe Abdullah - 06 November 2009 at 9:44am |
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Akhe Abdullah
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Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1203 |
![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:39am |
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Local, national Muslim leaders condemn Fort Hood violence Gregg Krupa / The Detroit News Dearborn -- Within minutes of the public identification of the alleged shooter in the Thursday massacre at Fort Hood, local and national Muslim and Arab-American civil rights groups and other organizations mobilized to denounce the violence and to assure the safety of their communities. The Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, the largest mosque in the United States, issued a statement saying that it "condemns the atrocious attacks on Fort Hood military base in Texas. This inexcusable act of violence must not be tolerated, and the perpetrators should be held accountable for their crime. "Islam in no way accepts such violence and terror," the statement continued. "Islam is a peaceful religion with great reverence for human life." Advertisement The suspected shooter, who killed 13 people in the rampage, is believed to be Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. Hasan, 39, was among 30 people wounded in the shooting spree and remained hospitalized today on a ventilator. Mary Rose Oakar, the former congresswoman and the president of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) called Thursday's attack "absolutely deplorable." "ADC has been consistent and on record in condemning any attacks aimed at innocents, no matter who the victims are or the perpetrator may be," Oakar said. "Such violence in morally reprehensible and has nothing to do with any religion, race, ethnicity or national origin. "ADC also calls upon law enforcement agencies to provide immediate protection for all mosques, community centers, schools and any locations that may be identified or misidentify with being Arab, Muslim, South Asian or Sikh as a clear backlash already has started," Oakar said. Other organizations issuing statement deploring the attacks and asking for understanding included the local Council on Arab American Organizations, the Muslim Public Affairs Council and the Council on American Islamic Relations. "Our entire organization extends its heartfelt condolences to the families of those killed as well as to those wounded and their loved ones," said Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. "We stand in solidarity with law enforcement and the U.S. military to maintain the safety and security of all Americans." This is second time in recent weeks local religious leaders have responded to dramatic events. Luqman Ameen Abdullah, imam of the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque in Detroit, was killed by the FBI during a raid in which he was to be arrested on a raft of federal charges including conspiracy, receipt of stolen goods and firearms offenses Court documents filed in that cased identified Abdullah -- also known as Christopher Thomas-- as "a highly placed leader of a nationwide radical fundamentalist Sunni group." Area religious leaders took exception to the characterization and said the Sunni branch merely works to help the downtrodden and establish tight-knit neighborhoods of believers At least they said something nice,May Allah Bless our Ummah |
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Akhe Abdullah
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Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1203 |
![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:56am |
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Originally posted by Akhe Abdullah I believe we should all be kind to our nieghbors,regaurdless of what faith they follow.Our Ummah must come first before dealing with the non-Muslims(cleaning up after ourselves)making ourselves better examples of the best of people Originally posted by martha Salams siter Martha. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="middle" /> I would like to point out that I said nothing about what you are saying,and again im not referring to Christians you keep on bringing them up.You also say:"we should not force others to believe in Islam".There is no compulsion in the religion of Al-Islam,no one is forcing anyone to do anything I dont know why you bring this up.There are others ways of fighting in which we do here on this very forum with words and the Qur'an/Sunna of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Al-Haqq is our best weapon against falsehoods."Life is an on going fight within ourselves."True its called Jihad [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="middle" />Like you say brother, it is complicated. But life is not just about muslims, sorry to say. CHristians are also humans To fight in order to live righteously does not necessarily mean we fight by the sword. If it is not right to fight a fellow muslim it does not mean it gives us automatic right to fight a non-muslim. If I have a grievance with a non-muslim I am hardly likely to fight him because he doesnt follow my chosen religion. Wars are about money and land...seldom about religion. Life is an ongoing fight within ourselves. indeed we all must work together.
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SteppeNomad
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Joined: 08 July 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 114 |
![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 10:24am |
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Originally posted by martha
There is nothing wrong in fighting for your country of birth if you are a muslim. Again I recently posted on another thread that many muslims fought in the 1st and 2nd world war by choice.It does not mean you are disloyal to your religion. I posed a question yesterday..should you obey the laws of your country...the answers came back as yes, as muslims we should. I feel that this can apply in this instance. Obey the laws/do not break them im 100% for. However joining the Army is another matter, full on knowing that you be dealing with people who kill innocent men, women, children, disabled and even dogs is another. Id understand if this person was White, but he isnt, looks like identity crises gone extremely wrong. Actually, im more assured now by his ethnic origin, i always tell people just to be who they are, but no one listens, anyway i remember watching an interview of a black Moslem in the Americana navy taken part in bombing of Iraq, was surprised by the "rational" this guy had to offer, i wonder what this guys would be, lets see if he remains alive and what his got to offer. Its rare to meet former colonial puppets who have not either sacrificed there identity or religion. Well must be honest and say they end up choosing one just too extremely lol. Lets just see what our "brothers" have to say as the story unfolds. Edited by SteppeNomad - 06 November 2009 at 10:26am |
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martha
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![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:17pm |
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Salams Brother Akhe,
I appreciate I was the one to mention the Christians, however I guess as Allah made us all I can't just talk about muslims all the time. For me it is never about 'us' and 'them' despite all our religious differences. I love all people, marshaallah. Hope you are well brother:) |
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martha
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![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:32pm |
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Originally posted by SteppeNomad Originally posted by martha
There is nothing wrong in fighting for your country of birth if you are a muslim. Again I recently posted on another thread that many muslims fought in the 1st and 2nd world war by choice.It does not mean you are disloyal to your religion. I posed a question yesterday..should you obey the laws of your country...the answers came back as yes, as muslims we should. I feel that this can apply in this instance. <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>Obey the laws/do not break them im 100% for.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN> <O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>However joining the Army is another matter, full on knowing that you be dealing with people who kill innocent men, women, children, disabled and even dogs is another. Id understand if this person was White, but he isnt, looks like identity crises gone extremely wrong. <O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN> <O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>Actually, im more assured now by his ethnic origin, i always tell people just to be who they are, but no one listens, anyway i remember watching an interview of a black Moslem in the Americana navy taken part in bombing of Iraq, was surprised by the "rational" this guy had to offer, i wonder what this guys would be, lets see if he remains alive and what his got to offer.<O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><O:P> </O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>Its rare to meet former colonial puppets who have not either sacrificed there identity or religion. Well must be honest and say they end up choosing one just too extremely lol.<O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN> <O:P></O:P></SPAN> <P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" ="Msonormal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>Lets just see what our "brothers" have to say as the story unfolds.<O:P></O:P></SPAN> Salams SteppeNomad, Hmm, I do get your point on this. On all angles. DId I tell you about the time a black man said to me that God did not want a white woman to be muslim? Isn't that hilarious? People are weird all over. Somehow we have to break down barriers, find a balance. But the statement released by the Islamic Society of North AMerica seems to condone muslims fighting for their country. Do you read it the same? " FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ISNA Condemns Attacks on Fort Hood Soldiers and Expresses Condolences to the Victims and Their Families (Washington, DC – November 05, 2009) The Islamic Society of North America condemns in the strongest terms the attack on soldiers at Fort Hood, resulting in the murder of at least a dozen soldiers and the wounding of many others. We express our deepest condolences to the victims and their families. Although many details of the shooting are unknown at this time, it appears that the attack was led by a career soldier, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The soldier who led this attack was either mentally unstable, or was motivated by a perverted ideology for which there can be no justification. ISNA is proud of the many Muslim men and women who serve loyally in the United States military. We are grateful for the sacrifices made by all US soldiers, who represent the religious, racial and ethnic diversity of America, to defend the Constitution and our national security. ISNA, a faith endorser of US Muslim military chaplains, is proud of the service they provide, offering comfort and support to people of all faiths and beliefs. Just today, ISNA's chaplain endorser, Dr. Louay Safi, conducted a workshop at the US army base in Fort Bliss, Texas. ISNA will be holding a press conference with national Muslim leaders to address this incident tomorrow morning. Time and location will be announced later tonight." HAve they had that press conference yet? Haven't seen anything:( |
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martha
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![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:35pm |
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Lol, do I need to reset something ? I seem to have probs when I post other members quotes!
It just doesnt come out right. Oh dear, lol |
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Nur_Ilahi
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![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:39pm |
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Again another Muslim involved and indirectly smearing Islam. Knowing that this world is full of fitnah (lies, slander, deception, falsehood, dishonesty and the likes) as a sign of the end of the world, I have to take this story 50-50.
Originally posted by martha Wars are about money and land...seldom about religion. Originally posted by martha The ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is NOT about religion is it. On the topic of wars it reminds me of the Protocol of Zion - PROTOCOL No. 2 1. It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of our international AGENTUR; which possesses millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered by any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves. 7:2. Throughout all Europe, and by means of relations with Europe, in other continents also, we must create ferments, discords and hostility. Therein we gain a double advantage. In the first place we keep in check all countries, for they will know that we have the power whenever we like to create disorders or to restore order. All these countries are accustomed to see in us an indispensable force of coercion. In the second place, by our intrigues we shall tangle up all the threads which we have stretched into the cabinets of all States by means of the political, by economic treaties, or loan obligations. In order to succeed in this we must use great cunning and penetration during negotiations and agreements, but, as regards what is called the "official language," we shall keep to the opposite tactics and assume the mask of honesty and complacency. In this way the peoples and governments of the GOYIM, whom we have taught to look only at the outside whatever we present to their notice, will still continue to accept us as the benefactors and saviours of the human race. Protocol 7:3 We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war. |
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A true religion worship the Creator of the whole universe. A false one worship a Creation of the Creator.
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abuayisha
Male Islam Senior Member
Joined: 05 October 1999 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1983 |
![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:54pm |
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"Sigh" The "Protocols" are a proven fraud.
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Sign*Reader
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![]() Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:21pm |
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One doesn't need to reference The Protocols... the picture is there anyone having some financial common sense can see it with stark clarity...Of course it is a puzzle for lots of people who may need to pick up the pieces and put them together to see something under some guidance...but then what good that would be? Who wants to do the spoon feeding these days?
Edited by Sign*Reader - 06 November 2009 at 8:24pm |
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Cycle of Human Destiny: From Faith> Courage>Liberty>Abundance> Selfishness>Complacency>Apathy>Immorality>Bondage>back to Faith or Extinction...
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