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Quote SteppeNomad Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2009 at 8:06am

Please dont try justify criminal activities using Islam as a cover up, so what if detriot is a dangerous place? that gives right to everyone to carry guns and weapons as they please? Anyway, the post and your reply is pretty self explanitory.

Oh and, no offence, but dont expect the FBI, or the police for that matter to bring cup cakes and tea to a place they know people carry illegal firearms. I guess carrying illegal arms is the white mans fualt to. Im not a fan of these AngloAmericanas, but somethings are just over the top.
 
Anyway, ill leave you lot blame the American media and the zionists a bit more. But anyway, i dont know the guy, so wont talk anymore, but somethings are just to much, may Allah protect all of us.
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Quote ops155 Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2009 at 8:36am
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[QUOTE=SteppeNomad] wow they try to cover there criminal mentality using Islam as a means? and you guys support this giving the same old FBI, Zionist, American rant?
Yeh, having shoot outs and carrying illegal firearms is a great way of being a good Muslim?

 
QUOTE]Salams SteppeNomad,Dont believe the hype,The American Media will give you the story that they want to give you("They converted to Islam in prison",thats nothing so did thousands of others including myself),true he did posses illegal firearms Detriot is a dangerous city I know personaly.Take that in concideration.Why didnt the FBI knock on his door and peacefully serve their warant,No they knocked down the door sent in an attack dog who is concidered a officer and ounce Luqman shot the kanine officer it was shoot to kill,they shot him 20 times before handcluffing him threw him on the strecher and shot him some more,It breaks my heart to hear a Muslim talk as you are talking,you should try and find out facts before speaking nextime,how I know about all the bullet wounds I know who washed the body.
 
You make claims that they shot him after he was cuffed and on the stretcher yet you offer no proof of this? More lies from you. Learn a lesson from it, fight it in court not with a gun. As you can see you will lose in the shootout with police.
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2009 at 9:46am
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Allah The Highest Authority,If your enemy has a gun how do you fight him?(with a gun)Imam Luqman use to say and he knew when the time came it would be a fight and he went out fighting he died Shahid in battle one of the things Prophet Muhammad use to pray for to die in battle.I pray that Allah gave him Jannah before his blood hit the ground(Ameen)
 
Often when incidents happen that effect us emotionally we respond in kind, however your comments are overblown and reckless.  The FBI are against crime and activities that threaten national security - your security and mine.  Allah, Most High, tells us "Do not throw yourselves into destruction...2.195"  If, according to published reports, our brother was involved in criminal behavior and was killed by law enforcement doing their job, it is nonsense to consider his death as "Shahid" in battle.  We ask Allah to forgive his sins.  And Allah Knows Best
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Quote Akhe Abdullah Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2009 at 10:44am
(Ameen)Salams,The brother wanted to establish Sharia in the U.S for us not them and just wanted to be left alone.No the papers wont tell you that,The raid was a set up,the papers wont tell you that,But they will say He was a leader of a radical group named Ummah.We are the Ummah.Abuayisha you say the FBI was just doing there job they was investigating my brother for six odd years they even sent spies to the Masjid only your enemy will spy on you,he had illegal firearms my point was where we are from who dont im not going into that no further they will be watching me next.Anyway you are a good brother,tho we may have a disagreement. You show a great example by making dua,May Allah Blees you.May Allah Bless our Ummah.May Allah have Mercy on us. like I said I knew this brother and he was a good Muslim.

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Quote ops155 Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2009 at 11:41am
"he had illegal firearms "
 
case closed, he should not have used them on the police, why can't you put the blame where it belongs?
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Quote Akhe Abdullah Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2009 at 11:50am
(I will not be discussing this with non-Muslims sorry)
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 04 November 2009 at 11:55am

Most scholars of our religion allow for Muslims to settle in lands of non-Muslims provided they are able to practice their faith.  Muslims are free to practice their faith in America.  That being the case, what is the fear of integrating, as contributing members, into American society?  Why is there a need to establish; “Sharia in the U.S for us not them” – when in essence Muslims already have “sharia” in America?  This type of rhetoric only cast Muslims negatively in American society as a type of “fifth column” harboring nefarious goals and intentions.  Those who would argue the inability to practice Islam in America should know the earth is spacious…..

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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 05 November 2009 at 2:39am
Quote:- 'Most scholars of our religion allow for Muslims to settle in lands of non-Muslims provided they are able to practice their faith.'

Brother abuayisha. Can you tell me please what is the Islamic view on obeying the government in the land where we live?
I have always felt that where ever we choose to reside that we should indeed follow the laws of the land even if we do not agree with those laws. Obviously no country should restrict anyone following their religion, which is a different point entirely. That being said, can we follow both? I believe we can.
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Quote SteppeNomad Replybullet Posted: 05 November 2009 at 3:30am

Sis Martha, i know you asked bro Abu the question, im sure he will answer better.

 

But i remember when i was young, i was told, in regards to this subject, by staying in a country, usually you form a contract to abide by the laws of that land, contract of residence, passport etc. And as Muslims we should not be consprirators and two faced in our dealings or contracts if youd like to say.

 

To me at least it makes sense, why agree to benefit everything that land offers yet plan to overthrow it at the same time. I dont know, insallah im not wrong, someone correct me if i am.

 

Of course i dont know how much if political activism could be seen as conspriring, I guess theres a line between being two faced backstabber and being a honest criticizer or hater.

 
But then again, i think we should try establish shariah in ourselves and our own lands before we take on a space mission to mars.


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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:18am

"But I remember when I was young, I was told, in regards to this subject, by staying in a country, usually you form a contract to abide by the laws of that land, contract of residence, passport etc. And as Muslims we should not be consprirators and two faced in our dealings or contracts if youd like to say."

Yeah, I agree. The US State Department issues a pamphlet to American travelers entitled "Know Before You Go" with respect to laws in countries visited by American citizens. Those visiting or planning to reside in Western countries are advised to also be aware prior to coming, and it goes without saying that citizens should obey all laws. Several years ago a Saudi family brought their maid along with them to the US and essentially treated her like maids are often treated back home - they both (husband and wife) were sent to prison.

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