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Posted: 29 October 2009 at 11:37pm

Originally posted by Ron Webb

Originally posted by martha

I am concerned about this vaccine. These posts haven't eased that ...thanks, lol.

Maybe this will help: I recently read an estimate that in the next year H1N1 will kill about one in every 6000 Canadians. In addition, the regular seasonal flu will kill about one in 9000 Canadians. The odds of any serious complication from the flu vaccine (not just death, but major complications) are about one in 2,000,000.

ROn, thanks for the info

Quite a lot of needless scaremongering on the whole then

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Posted: 02 November 2009 at 11:11am

FDA authorizes use of antiviral drug peramivir against H1N1

Peramivir is an experimental antiviral drug being developed by BioCryst Pharmaceuticals for the treatment of influenza. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peramivir

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Posted: 02 November 2009 at 11:59am

My wife states that at her clinic many parents have brought their children in for possible 'swine flu' because they are symptomatic. HOWEVER she told me (after asking her whether we should get vaccinated especially since we have kids) she told me that kids ought to get vaccinated because of the immune system in small children are not as strong as older children/adults, but parents who are healthy and exposed to every day germs, bacteria and viruses need not worry. She told me if you are experiencing flu-like symptoms equipped with chest pains and trouble breathing AS AN ADULT you should go to the emergency room and get checked out. As stated she informed me that the only difference the swine has over the regular is because of the population. The regular fly kills more people per year than the swine flu.

Interestingly enough she said if you lived in the 70's you don't need to get the swine flu vaccine because there was a similar outbreak at that time and you were possibly exposed to it somehow. If you don't believe me just google the 1970-76 swine flu. I'm just listening to the doc.

Edited by Gibbs - 02 November 2009 at 12:00pm

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Ron Webb
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Posted: 02 November 2009 at 3:55pm

Originally posted by martha

ROn, thanks for the info

Quite a lot of needless scaremongering on the whole then

The point I was trying to make is that the risk of dying from the flu is orders of magnitude greater than the risk of complications from the vaccine. But you're right that all the fuss about H1N1 is out of proportion to its actual risk. Most people are going to be fine whether or not they get vaccinated.

Both vaccines are free in Canada (thanks to our public health care system), so I'll get them as soon as I can. Not because I'm worried about dying, but because having the flu is a miserable experience that I'd rather do without. If it cost a lot of money I might think twice though.

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Posted: 02 November 2009 at 4:47pm

here's a tip, stay away from people, at least 1 metre around around. Well that is all good and all but if you're on a sardine packed train.....that 1 metre is like.........gone!

Seriously thou, I keep seeing/reading (not that I'm looking out for these things, hehe) that the one big thing to combat it is washing your hands thoroughly, don't rub eyes, sneeze and cough into you elbow, well the fold there in your arm not using your hand over the mouth. When using tissues (and i guess hankies too but not sure who uses them these day, ;) ) throw them away and then wash your hands.

~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~

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Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:59pm

Ron Webb I don't understand how you want to get vaccinated because you don't like the symptoms of the flu. As far as staying away from people fat chance. I heard that even when speaking to people even at a comfortable distance there is still a small amount of saliva in each and every time a person speaks so imagine when speaking to someone that may have the regular flu virus and your daily conversation with them you actually get that on your face! Ewwww.

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Posted: 03 November 2009 at 2:39pm

Originally posted by Gibbs

Ron Webb I don't understand how you want to get vaccinated because you don't like the symptoms of the flu.

Huh? What's not to understand? If I don't get vaccinated, there's something like a 30% chance that I'll get the flu. If I can reduce those odds for no cost, why wouldn't I? Confused

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Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:46pm

But there is a good chance you were exposed to the flu anyway. Besides scientist and clinicians have shown regular flu kills more people than swine flu

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Posted: 03 November 2009 at 6:23pm

I'm still

, Gibbs:

Originally posted by Gibbs

But there is a good chance you were exposed to the flu anyway.

So what? There's an even better chance that I wasn't.

Besides scientist and clinicians have shown regular flu kills more people than swine flu

Yes. I'll be getting both vaccines. They're two separate diseases, but they're both miserable, and I don't want either. But it's not about dying -- as I said, that's a negligible risk anyway. I just don't want to be lying in bed for days with a sore throat and a high fever.

What am I missing here? Why wouldn't I get vaccinated?

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Posted: 04 November 2009 at 12:47pm

there is nothing you are missing I'm saying in subtle fashion that you immune system has been exposed and you have already developed an immune system to the swine flu. But whatever to each its own. I'm trying to save you from being in a line and besides an unnecessary vaccine.

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martha Senior Member Joined: 30 October 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 770	Posted: 29 October 2009 at 11:37pm
	*Originally posted by Ron Webb* *Originally posted by martha* I am concerned about this vaccine. These posts haven't eased that ...thanks, lol. Maybe this will help: I recently read an estimate that in the next year H1N1 will kill about one in every 6000 Canadians. In addition, the regular seasonal flu will kill about one in 9000 Canadians. The odds of any serious complication from the flu vaccine (not just death, but major complications) are about one in 2,000,000. ROn, thanks for the info Quite a lot of needless scaremongering on the whole then
	some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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abuayisha Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1983	Posted: 02 November 2009 at 11:11am
	FDA authorizes use of antiviral drug peramivir against H1N1 Peramivir is an experimental antiviral drug being developed by BioCryst Pharmaceuticals for the treatment of influenza. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peramivir
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Gibbs Senior Member Joined: 29 April 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 137	Posted: 02 November 2009 at 11:59am
	My wife states that at her clinic many parents have brought their children in for possible 'swine flu' because they are symptomatic. HOWEVER she told me (after asking her whether we should get vaccinated especially since we have kids) she told me that kids ought to get vaccinated because of the immune system in small children are not as strong as older children/adults, but parents who are healthy and exposed to every day germs, bacteria and viruses need not worry. She told me if you are experiencing flu-like symptoms equipped with chest pains and trouble breathing AS AN ADULT you should go to the emergency room and get checked out. As stated she informed me that the only difference the swine has over the regular is because of the population. The regular fly kills more people per year than the swine flu. Interestingly enough she said if you lived in the 70's you don't need to get the swine flu vaccine because there was a similar outbreak at that time and you were possibly exposed to it somehow. If you don't believe me just google the 1970-76 swine flu. I'm just listening to the doc. Edited by Gibbs - 02 November 2009 at 12:00pm
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 984	Posted: 02 November 2009 at 3:55pm
	*Originally posted by martha* ROn, thanks for the info Quite a lot of needless scaremongering on the whole then The point I was trying to make is that the risk of dying from the flu is orders of magnitude greater than the risk of complications from the vaccine. But you're right that all the fuss about H1N1 is out of proportion to its actual risk. Most people are going to be fine whether or not they get vaccinated. Both vaccines are free in Canada (thanks to our public health care system), so I'll get them as soon as I can. Not because I'm worried about dying, but because having the flu is a miserable experience that I'd rather do without. If it cost a lot of money I might think twice though.
	Addeenul ‘Aql – Religion is intellect.
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Location: Australia, Melbourne Online Status: Offline Posts: 6427	Posted: 02 November 2009 at 4:47pm
	here's a tip, stay away from people, at least 1 metre around around. Well that is all good and all but if you're on a sardine packed train.....that 1 metre is like.........gone! Seriously thou, I keep seeing/reading (not that I'm looking out for these things, hehe) that the one big thing to combat it is washing your hands thoroughly, don't rub eyes, sneeze and cough into you elbow, well the fold there in your arm not using your hand over the mouth. When using tissues (and i guess hankies too but not sure who uses them these day, ;) ) throw them away and then wash your hands.
	~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Gibbs Senior Member Joined: 29 April 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 137	Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:59pm
	Ron Webb I don't understand how you want to get vaccinated because you don't like the symptoms of the flu. As far as staying away from people fat chance. I heard that even when speaking to people even at a comfortable distance there is still a small amount of saliva in each and every time a person speaks so imagine when speaking to someone that may have the regular flu virus and your daily conversation with them you actually get that on your face! Ewwww.
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 984	Posted: 03 November 2009 at 2:39pm
	*Originally posted by Gibbs* Ron Webb I don't understand how you want to get vaccinated because you don't like the symptoms of the flu. Huh? What's not to understand? If I don't get vaccinated, there's something like a 30% chance that I'll get the flu. If I can reduce those odds for no cost, why wouldn't I?
	Addeenul ‘Aql – Religion is intellect.
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Gibbs Senior Member Joined: 29 April 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 137	Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:46pm
	But there is a good chance you were exposed to the flu anyway. Besides scientist and clinicians have shown regular flu kills more people than swine flu
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 984	Posted: 03 November 2009 at 6:23pm
	I'm still , Gibbs: *Originally posted by Gibbs* But there is a good chance you were exposed to the flu anyway. So what? There's an even better chance that I wasn't. Besides scientist and clinicians have shown regular flu kills more people than swine flu Yes. I'll be getting both vaccines. They're two separate diseases, but they're both miserable, and I don't want either. But it's not about dying -- as I said, that's a negligible risk anyway. I just don't want to be lying in bed for days with a sore throat and a high fever. What am I missing here? Why wouldn't I get vaccinated?
	Addeenul ‘Aql – Religion is intellect.
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Gibbs Senior Member Joined: 29 April 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 137	Posted: 04 November 2009 at 12:47pm
	there is nothing you are missing I'm saying in subtle fashion that you immune system has been exposed and you have already developed an immune system to the swine flu. But whatever to each its own. I'm trying to save you from being in a line and besides an unnecessary vaccine.
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