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bharatiya

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Posted: 30 April 2005 at 1:38am

Originally posted by Nausheen

And why not? Can you please elaborate?

Because you are not living in India, and dont know the situation.

Why do you people talk about Godhra and not talk about why it happened? It happened because tens of 'hindus' were burnt alive.

Its an isolated incident and I have already told you that everyone hates Mr. Modi.

Its as if saying, "Killing and murdering are Muslim's monopoly".

Those who are commiting crimes against them are all wrong by the same token! Justice is justice and it shld not discriminate ppl on the basis of religion/faith.

When it comes to you seem to be liberal.

It is as bad as Hindu terrorism, or any state-terrorism.

'hindu' terrorism? Did you say that? If you are an Indian, this shows your loyaty towards your country.

... not being claimed that all muslims are saintly. Calling the spade spade shld not depend on what faith you follow.

Yeah, you are right.

And what is your opinion of Muslims from India who do not like the unethical practices within the society?

'unethical practices'? What are they?

They are social evils. They dont have religion.

THE SOIL OF BHARAT IS MY HIGHEST HEAVEN, THE GOOD OF BHARAT IS MY GOOD.

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Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:08am

Originally posted by bharatiya

Originally posted by Nausheen

And why not? Can you please elaborate?

Because you are not living in India, and dont know the situation.

Why do you people talk about Godhra and not talk about why it happened? It happened because tens of 'hindus' were burnt alive.

The train was burnt by hindus. They were returnng from a project proving muslims have no social and religious rites in India.

Originally posted by bharatiya

Its an isolated incident and I have already told you that everyone hates Mr. Modi.

Good you told that, then why are u fighting when I say I dislike Modi?What is your logic in this? Does this mean its okay if you call Modi bad, but its not okay if I call him bad?

Originally posted by bharatiya

Its as if saying, "Killing and murdering are Muslim's monopoly".

Can you prove your statement? From which statement of mine can it be inferred that I conodne the killings by Muslims? - Bring the quotes here and prove this against me, otherwise retract your allegation!

Originally posted by bharatiya

Those who are commiting crimes against them are all wrong by the same token! Justice is justice and it shld not discriminate ppl on the basis of religion/faith.

When it comes to you seem to be liberal.

Same response as above.

Originally posted by bharatiya

It is as bad as Hindu terrorism, or any state-terrorism.

'hindu' terrorism? Did you say that? If you are an Indian, this shows your loyaty towards your country.

You said "Muslim Terrorism" and you claim to be an Indian .... this is your loyalty to India. Your injustice towards Muslims. You want to say that the term "Muslim terrorism" is okay.

India is a secular, democratic, republic, not a Hindu country or a muslim country. You have called muslims of India terrorists, and this reflects your desire to live with them in harmony!

Originally posted by bharatiya

And what is your opinion of Muslims from India who do not like the unethical practices within the society?

'unethical practices'? What are they?

You did not answer my question.

Abortion of female foetus. Burning of a bride for dowry. - these are unethical practices, very common in the country. If there are some people in your country who do not agree to these, what will you say to them? that you wish they dont live in India? And if they are muslims, then you are relieved that they are gone?

Originally posted by bharatiya

They are social evils. They dont have religion.

You tried to give them a garment of religion not I. You said if muslims detest these, you would hope they dont live in Inida anymore.

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.

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Posted: 30 April 2005 at 10:58am

Bharatiya (or Kumar) whoever you are, c'mon don't fool yourself in to believing you can convince a sensible person that you are not anti-muslim.

An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet

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Posted: 30 April 2005 at 10:02pm

Brother ZamanH

Originally posted by ZamanH

Bharatiya (or Kumar) whoever you are, c'mon don't fool yourself in to believing you can convince a sensible person that you are not anti-muslim.

If you feel that I am anti-Muslim, I am really sorry and I cant help it. I love Islam as much I love my own. But I love my country, my ancestors more than anything else.

THE SOIL OF BHARAT IS MY HIGHEST HEAVEN, THE GOOD OF BHARAT IS MY GOOD.

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Posted: 01 May 2005 at 5:11am

Bharatiya,

Here is some advice to consider, take it or leave it as you please. When one learns to love Allah above all else (kin, country, etc.) one is opened to the most profound inner peace and joy. The life of this world is fleeting, Allah and the Hereafter are eternal.

3:185 - Every human being is bound to taste death: but only on the Day of Resurrection will you be requitted in full [for whatever you have done] - where upon he that shall be drawn away from the fire and brought into paradise will indeed have gained a triumph: for the life of this world is nothing but enjoyment of self-delusion.

Peace, ummziba.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~

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Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:29am

Asalam walaikum,

I have had that experience. But I am not a Muslim. I believe its not an obligation to be a Muslim to have Salvation. And its not that only Muslims are emancipated(no offence). According to our Philosophy, Salvation is not an event in time, but a realization.

Allah is just a word. What matters is the connection.

People say that Quran was said by Allah. But It had to be written by a man.

THE SOIL OF BHARAT IS MY HIGHEST HEAVEN, THE GOOD OF BHARAT IS MY GOOD.

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Posted: 14 June 2005 at 12:48am

Indians are outraged at the U.S belief that it can judge people who don't live in America.

To correct myself, Indians felt threatened by the U.S. Americans have often made mischief against others while pretending to help them. Their fears are indeed justified. Considering the desecration of Quran incident in the U.S, it is not sensible to believe U.S will act against the Indians to help the Muslims, rather than to make some mischief against the Indians.

Edited by ZamanH

An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet

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bharatiya Senior Member Joined: 26 April 2005 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 157	Posted: 30 April 2005 at 1:38am
	*Originally posted by Nausheen* And why not? Can you please elaborate? Because you are not living in India, and dont know the situation. Why do you people talk about Godhra and not talk about why it happened? It happened because tens of 'hindus' were burnt alive. Its an isolated incident and I have already told you that everyone hates Mr. Modi. Its as if saying, "Killing and murdering are Muslim's monopoly". Those who are commiting crimes against them are all wrong by the same token! Justice is justice and it shld not discriminate ppl on the basis of religion/faith. When it comes to you seem to be liberal. It is as bad as Hindu terrorism, or any state-terrorism. 'hindu' terrorism? Did you say that? If you are an Indian, this shows your loyaty towards your country. ... not being claimed that all muslims are saintly. Calling the spade spade shld not depend on what faith you follow. Yeah, you are right. And what is your opinion of Muslims from India who do not like the unethical practices within the society? 'unethical practices'? What are they? They are social evils. They dont have religion.
	THE SOIL OF BHARAT IS MY HIGHEST HEAVEN, THE GOOD OF BHARAT IS MY GOOD.
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Nausheen Female Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 10 January 2001 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 4146	Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:08am
	*Originally posted by bharatiya* *Originally posted by Nausheen* And why not? Can you please elaborate? Because you are not living in India, and dont know the situation. Why do you people talk about Godhra and not talk about why it happened? It happened because tens of 'hindus' were burnt alive. The train was burnt by hindus. They were returnng from a project proving muslims have no social and religious rites in India. *Originally posted by bharatiya* Its an isolated incident and I have already told you that everyone hates Mr. Modi. Good you told that, then why are u fighting when I say I dislike Modi?What is your logic in this? Does this mean its okay if you call Modi bad, but its not okay if I call him bad? *Originally posted by bharatiya* Its as if saying, "Killing and murdering are Muslim's monopoly". Can you prove your statement? From which statement of mine can it be inferred that I conodne the killings by Muslims? - Bring the quotes here and prove this against me, otherwise retract your allegation! *Originally posted by bharatiya* Those who are commiting crimes against them are all wrong by the same token! Justice is justice and it shld not discriminate ppl on the basis of religion/faith. When it comes to you seem to be liberal. Same response as above. *Originally posted by bharatiya* It is as bad as Hindu terrorism, or any state-terrorism. 'hindu' terrorism? Did you say that? If you are an Indian, this shows your loyaty towards your country. You said "Muslim Terrorism" and you claim to be an Indian .... this is your loyalty to India. Your injustice towards Muslims. You want to say that the term "Muslim terrorism" is okay. India is a secular, democratic, republic, not a Hindu country or a muslim country. You have called muslims of India terrorists, and this reflects your desire to live with them in harmony! *Originally posted by bharatiya* And what is your opinion of Muslims from India who do not like the unethical practices within the society? 'unethical practices'? What are they? You did not answer my question. Abortion of female foetus. Burning of a bride for dowry. - these are unethical practices, very common in the country. If there are some people in your country who do not agree to these, what will you say to them? that you wish they dont live in India? And if they are muslims, then you are relieved that they are gone? *Originally posted by bharatiya* They are social evils. They dont have religion. You tried to give them a garment of religion not I. You said if muslims detest these, you would hope they dont live in Inida anymore.
	Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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ZamanH Guest Group Account Suspended Joined: 21 July 2004 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 448	Posted: 30 April 2005 at 10:58am
	Bharatiya (or Kumar) whoever you are, c'mon don't fool yourself in to believing you can convince a sensible person that you are not anti-muslim.
	An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend. There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet
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bharatiya Senior Member Joined: 26 April 2005 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 157	Posted: 30 April 2005 at 10:02pm
	Brother ZamanH *Originally posted by ZamanH* Bharatiya (or Kumar) whoever you are, c'mon don't fool yourself in to believing you can convince a sensible person that you are not anti-muslim. If you feel that I am anti-Muslim, I am really sorry and I cant help it. I love Islam as much I love my own. But I love my country, my ancestors more than anything else.
	THE SOIL OF BHARAT IS MY HIGHEST HEAVEN, THE GOOD OF BHARAT IS MY GOOD.
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ummziba Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 16 March 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 1158	Posted: 01 May 2005 at 5:11am
	Bharatiya, Here is some advice to consider, take it or leave it as you please. When one learns to love Allah above all else (kin, country, etc.) one is opened to the most profound inner peace and joy. The life of this world is fleeting, Allah and the Hereafter are eternal. 3:185 - Every human being is bound to taste death: but only on the Day of Resurrection will you be requitted in full [for whatever you have done] - where upon he that shall be drawn away from the fire and brought into paradise will indeed have gained a triumph: for the life of this world is nothing but enjoyment of self-delusion. Peace, ummziba.
	Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
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bharatiya Senior Member Joined: 26 April 2005 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 157	Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:29am
	Asalam walaikum, I have had that experience. But I am not a Muslim. I believe its not an obligation to be a Muslim to have Salvation. And its not that only Muslims are emancipated(no offence). According to our Philosophy, Salvation is not an event in time, but a realization. Allah is just a word. What matters is the connection. People say that Quran was said by Allah. But It had to be written by a man.
	THE SOIL OF BHARAT IS MY HIGHEST HEAVEN, THE GOOD OF BHARAT IS MY GOOD.
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ZamanH Guest Group Account Suspended Joined: 21 July 2004 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 448	Posted: 14 June 2005 at 12:48am
	Indians are outraged at the U.S belief that it can judge people who don't live in America. To correct myself, Indians felt threatened by the U.S. Americans have often made mischief against others while pretending to help them. Their fears are indeed justified. Considering the desecration of Quran incident in the U.S, it is not sensible to believe U.S will act against the Indians to help the Muslims, rather than to make some mischief against the Indians. Edited by ZamanH
	An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend. There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet
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