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Quote Pati Replybullet Posted: 16 November 2009 at 10:39pm
Dear Saima,

I think that the only person who can help you both is a psycologist. I know that homosexuality is not allowed in Islam, so in case that is his problem, none from your environment will be able to help you (I think).

Maybe he is just afraid from women after his failed marriage, or maybe he is really gay (sorry, but that exists, and unfortunately the quantity of them has raised too much in Western countries).

He started being open with you, but what he told you is an advise for future, dear: if he is really gay, your marriage most probably will not work, because he will go on looking for what he feels he needs (I hope I am not being to much harsh).

I don't know when are you going to get married, but really, I think you should delay the wedding and finding the real relationship you both have and you both want. With this comment, he just started showing himself, so you have to go on knowing him as deep as you can do, and don't think that if he was not in love with you, he would fall just because he told you that he may be gay... dear, if that is the problem, in your culture, the only thing he shaw on you was the chance to be opened with you, it's only that, and when you are keeping such a secret and you find someone able to keep it with you and share the weigh, you sure wound be happy to do.

I am scared from this comment, that may not have importance, or may change your life, Saima, and as I started this answer, I don't think we can help you here, we can tell you what we think we would do, but he is confused with something very important and I think you cannot help on that, he should discover himself his real feelings and his real needs.

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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 17 November 2009 at 3:16am
Salams Sister
In your words you said 'In a way it is a selfish relationship where the person who is a people pleaser keeps on getting true emotions from others in return of his manipulation.As his motive behind manipulation is good and as he himself does not know what he is doing.Noone is able to complain around him as he never gives a reason.And as this caregiving addicts self worth is extremely low no care or love can find his emptiness.It is like trying to fill a glass with no bottom.And such people were described as impossible to be emotionally intimate with others.The only thing that gives somewhat relief to both in such a relationship is some physical distance.(exactly like his ex used to do she went on vacations alone with others).More this person lives close to another person more unbearable it is for both.And this person himself as well is in extreme pain all the time and inflicts equal pain to the person involved.
   Such an insecure person is a person who has at a younger age not been able to trust one of the close people to him.(in his case his father)More such people have suppressed their true feelings in problems more this sort of personality they developed.More they have taken care of others around them and tried to make them happy in some way more severe problems arise later on. '

Sister, look at this link. Perhaps it will help you. As you already have read some books you might be able to relate to this. In no way am I trying to suggest anything here, but as Pati suggested, I really think you should investigate this further to ease your mind or help you make a decision.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/personality-disorders/DS00562

You can also look into a problem called anti-social personality disorder. This can start at an early age. But do some research as it might help.

Also re-read my earlier posts. Perhaps they make more sense now?
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Quote saima100 Replybullet Posted: 18 November 2009 at 3:28am
Thanks for you answers.The problem here is that he himself is either unsure or he knows and wants to get married as he himself has extreme wish to have children.Either way im at loss as if he knows he is gay there never will be a proper marriage and if he is unsure then he could end either way.And i doubt he is unsure at 33 after 4 years of marriage.And secondly i just read my post which is dificient.What i forgot to write was that when i asked him again ''are you gay''to this qs he did not say no once.He said twice''i already told you''And he also referred in answer to his same friend whom he had mentioned as something really harmless in the past.He said''i told you about my friend x''To this i said but you said he is just a friend.To this he said''what sort of boys give each other messages''i said i dont know maybe they do.And to this he said''we do it even in resaturants and in public places''And after this conversation of his we have talked twice and both times he was relaxed and did not have the need to please me either.He is acting totally normal where he is telling his likes and dislikes without thinking that i would be unhappy with him.And reason is obvious he has nothing to hide anymore.I remember that in his first conversations he said that he wanted to marry someone who was divorced and not a very young woman either.I said that this is so unusuall.Why is it so.To this his answer was that i want a mature woman who has seen problems of life and can understand that life is not all fun.This i liked alot about him and thought he is quite mature.But now i understand that the reason behind marrying a divorced woman and one who i older like me is that then she wont have the possibility to leave him.And he assured before saying yes to me that i immediately wanted kids after marriage.As he said ''then women stop thinking about husband and his faults''This too i took quite in another sense at the time.I though he was insecure.Now it all fits.He wanted a woman who was divorced and could not have the courage to take a divorce the second time.Who due to her old age could not leave him.Who due to children could not leave him.So he assured a person who had no choice due to her divorce,her old age and due to the fact that she soon got children.And if she ever did find out after a few years that he was gay she could not do anything about it.I am at the moment still talking with him.But i have told some in my family and i already have come to a decision.Im not going to marry him.But all i can say is that this is the shock of my life.All life i have believed that if i get a nice person everything will be perfect and there would be no problems.I could never imagine that i could get into such a situation.I have always thought i am quite wise and people cannot deceive me.And i felt whatever he said was true as what he said was true but reasons behind were totally different.After this i feel i should try marrying someone with obvious faults.Pray for me.thanks again for the answers.
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Quote Pati Replybullet Posted: 18 November 2009 at 10:33pm
Dear Saima,

Please, don't blame yourself now, you have to be strong and to go ahead with your life.

I know that this situation is not usual in Muslim culture, but it's not the first time I heard something similar in Spain, or opposite, women who are lesbian and get married just to hide it.

It's just another danger in the current life while finding someone to share your life.

But, dear, you have to be happy and give thanks to God / Allah, because He sent you a sign before it was too late, He gave you the chance to take a decision with knowledge, and you already took it (I think). So please, in such a way, you have to be grateful and happy because first of all, you met someone who helped you to know more things about yourself, and secondly, he was not bad person, just having a problem, and maybe you can go on with the contact and you can help him in the future, because it's obvious that in the moment you'll tell him that you are not going to marry him, it will be a problem for him so... you will have to be there.

But after all, I feel that you will re-start your life soon.

If you want my suggestion for the next time, let the man talk first without interrupting and make your idea. There are lot of men divorced after the 30s, and it sounds so strange... I would be careful, but don't have any doubt that Allah will send you a friend, a husband, a father and a life partner sooner or later, just wait for the right one Wink

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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: 19 November 2009 at 6:04am
Salams Saima,
I hope you feel relaxed now you have made your decision. It was wise to tell some family members as they will have met him and know more about him than us here.
But you will move on from here and Allah knows best and will find you a good husband when it is the right time. Remember that sometimes we experience some negative things in life to then make the way possible for the positive.
And when of course Allah finds that special someone for you we ALL want to hear about it. All the very best.:)
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Quote saima100 Replybullet Posted: 19 November 2009 at 8:33am
Thanks for your answer.All i can say is that i dont feel guilty nor do i feel sad.I only feel relieved as if he had not said this himself i would have always wondered what is wrong between us.But i pity him and i feel very very sorry or him.I start crying when i think of his situation.I have never seen someone is so much pain and someone who hates himself so much.Never have i seen anyone in so much self disgust and never have i seen anyone who has not been able to accept himself to this extent.He is perfectionist to the level which is unbelievable.He is so hard towards his own self that one can only feel pity for such a person.He is willing to do literally anything to have someone in his life and to have children.I remember him saying ''inshallah'' atleast twice in every sentence and saying again and again that Allah cant be so cruel.Everything is going to be ok for us in future. It all reminds me of so many others around me who are in my family or friends.How mean at heart they are and still they have everything.I really dont understand how could God be so unfair to him.Why doesnt he help him.I dont think he would contact me after i leave him.As his ex wife tried to remain in touch with him but he didnt want her to contact him atall.But she at times still does send him sms to support him.May God give me strength to hurt this person.
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Quote Pati Replybullet Posted: Yesterday at 5:32pm
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Thanks for your answer.All i can say is that i dont feel guilty nor do i feel sad.I only feel relieved as if he had not said this himself i would have always wondered what is wrong between us.But i pity him and i feel very very sorry or him.I start crying when i think of his situation.I have never seen someone is so much pain and someone who hates himself so much.Never have i seen anyone in so much self disgust and never have i seen anyone who has not been able to accept himself to this extent.He is perfectionist to the level which is unbelievable.He is so hard towards his own self that one can only feel pity for such a person.He is willing to do literally anything to have someone in his life and to have children.I remember him saying ''inshallah'' atleast twice in every sentence and saying again and again that Allah cant be so cruel.Everything is going to be ok for us in future. It all reminds me of so many others around me who are in my family or friends.How mean at heart they are and still they have everything.I really dont understand how could God be so unfair to him.Why doesnt he help him.I dont think he would contact me after i leave him.As his ex wife tried to remain in touch with him but he didnt want her to contact him atall.But she at times still does send him sms to support him.May God give me strength to hurt this person.
Excuse me, but God is not UNFAIR, only human being we are.
 
God knows the best, and knows what we need, but sometimes, we are not able to understand him. If I were you, I would try to point the situation at men, not at God. God didn't do anything, it was your boyfriend who did everythin, who cheated his ex-wife and tried to cheat you, because he is not confused but hiding himself. Is God guilty for that? Sorry, but I cannot see God in that story you have been explaining to us. I can see human feelings, human sins, and I can say that this things happens daily in this world, but... where is God?
 
If we were thinking about God in every moment of this life, and about what He told us to do or to avoid, and we followed His teachings (doesn't matter which religion), this World would be almost perfect. The problem is that we are so far away from God, even if we read Qu'ran or Bible, we are not able to understand, even if we prayed daily thousand times, we don't feel it, we just do it. We don't feel God, we are so selfish...
 
So please, don't blame God like if He did anything bad to your boyfriend. I am sure that God tried to help him thousand times, and actually I am sure that you came to his life as a chance for him, but obviously he didn't understand the message.
 
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Quote martha Replybullet Posted: Today at 2:33am
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Originally posted by saima100

Thanks for your answer.All i can say is that i dont feel guilty nor do i feel sad.I only feel relieved as if he had not said this himself i would have always wondered what is wrong between us.But i pity him and i feel very very sorry or him.I start crying when i think of his situation.I have never seen someone is so much pain and someone who hates himself so much.Never have i seen anyone in so much self disgust and never have i seen anyone who has not been able to accept himself to this extent.He is perfectionist to the level which is unbelievable.He is so hard towards his own self that one can only feel pity for such a person.He is willing to do literally anything to have someone in his life and to have children.I remember him saying ''inshallah'' atleast twice in every sentence and saying again and again that Allah cant be so cruel.Everything is going to be ok for us in future. It all reminds me of so many others around me who are in my family or friends.How mean at heart they are and still they have everything.I really dont understand how could God be so unfair to him.Why doesnt he help him.I dont think he would contact me after i leave him.As his ex wife tried to remain in touch with him but he didnt want her to contact him atall.But she at times still does send him sms to support him.May God give me strength to hurt this person.


Excuse me, but God is not UNFAIR, only human being we are.
 

God knows the best, and knows what we need, but sometimes, we are not able to understand him. If I were you, I would try to point the situation at men, not at God. God didn't do anything, it was your boyfriend who did everythin, who cheated his ex-wife and tried to cheat you, because he is not confused but hiding himself. Is God guilty for that? Sorry, but I cannot see God in that story you have been explaining to us. I can see human feelings, human sins, and I can say that this things happens daily in this world, but... where is God?

 

If we were thinking about God in every moment of this life, and about what He told us to do or to avoid, and we followed His teachings (doesn't matter which religion), this World would be almost perfect. The problem is that we are so far away from God, even if we read Qu'ran or Bible, we are not able to understand, even if we prayed daily thousand times, we don't feel it, we just do it. We don't feel God, we are so selfish...

 

So please, don't blame God like if He did anything bad to your boyfriend. I am sure that God tried to help him thousand times, and actually I am sure that you came to his life as a chance for him, but obviously he didn't understand the message.

 

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Yes Pati, you are exactly right. As humans we blame everyone for our faults including Allah sometimes. Saima's boyfriend has become so wrapped up in his self doubts that he also tries to bring others down to his level perhaps, to ease his feelings of shame and desperation.

We can only hope and pray that he puts complete trust in Allah to enable him to seek help from the right people instead of expecting others to make his life right for him.

It is sad and I am sure we have all seen people like him.

Saima, you are not alone with feeling the way you do. People come into our life so we learn. Do not try to hate him, just feel sadness for him but now move on. DO not be like his ex-wife who still tries to assist him. Until he looks into his own heart without making excuses no-one can help him. In no way are you to blame. Try to remember that.
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