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bullet Posted: 26 September 2009 at 1:51pm
I've read it and this thread is regarding Ishmael. Respond to my post on 'is the Bible still the word of God" it's discussed there.  Plus, do your homework and google them you might be surprise. 
“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)
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bullet Posted: 27 September 2009 at 6:57pm
Even though if he was a descendant of Ismael it wont make him  a prophet  or if he was a descendant of Jewish origin that too wont make him a prophet you can asked any ex Muslim they will tell you the Koran and the hadiths is a hoax what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction  that A can not be B and B can not be C.

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bullet Posted: 28 September 2009 at 11:33am
Now you are trying to get smart? "laws of contradiction"nice try, ask any ex-Christian and they will tell you that Christianity and the Bible is a hoax.Christians also have not taken into consideration the law of contradiction or mathmatics.3 doesnt equal 1 and.
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bullet Posted: 28 September 2009 at 11:37am
Originally posted by JOUBERAR

asked any ex Muslim they will tell you the Koran and the hadiths is a hoax what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction  that A can not be B and B can not be C.
Yeah Because Apostates are the best source of information.Right
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bullet Posted: 29 September 2009 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by JOUBERAR

Even though if he was a descendant of Ismael it wont make him  a prophet  or if he was a descendant of Jewish origin that too wont make him a prophet


Then you should ask the topic starter what's the point of the topic

 
Originally posted by JOUBERAR

what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction  that A can not be B and B can not be C.


This is a quite wild claim, how did muslims do so ?
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bullet Posted: 01 October 2009 at 7:19am
Originally posted by Akhe Abdullah

Originally posted by JOUBERAR

asked any ex Muslim they will tell you the Koran and the hadiths is a hoax what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction  that A can not be B and B can not be C.
Yeah Because Apostates are the best source of information.Right
 
No the false Quran and hadiths is my best source of information.
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bullet Posted: 01 October 2009 at 8:58am
Originally posted by Meditations

Originally posted by JOUBERAR

Even though if he was a descendant of Ismael it wont make him  a prophet  or if he was a descendant of Jewish origin that too wont make him a prophet


Then you should ask the topic starter what's the point of the topic

 
Originally posted by JOUBERAR

what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction  that A can not be B and B can not be C.


This is a quite wild claim, how did muslims do so ?
 
The holiest book of Islam. Muslims consider the Qur’an as the infallible words of Allah, free of any ambiguities, contradictions, errors and irrationalities. This guide will demonstrate that far from being perfect, free of ambiguities and errors, the Qur’an is replete with hundreds of contradictory statements that will surprise the critical readers of the Qur’an. It is unbelievable that an omnipotent, omniscient, all‑knowing, and all‑powerful Allah will have such a demented intellect to construct so many contradictory passages. 
 
2:21
Allah created the mankind; they should worship Him.
Contradiction: 3:97, 35:15 say Allah does not need mankind and the jinns; He is free of all want.

2:29
Allah created the earth (first) then He perfected the seven firmaments (heavens); He has the perfect knowledge of all things. (This verse indicates that Allah started creation by creating earth, and then He made heaven into seven heavens. This is how building usually starts, with the lower floors first and then the top floors—ibn Kathir).
Contradiction: 79:27‑30 says Allah created the heavens first.

2:34
All the angels bowed to Adam except Iblis. He was haughty and a disbeliever.
Contradiction: 16:49 says every creature in the heavens and in earth prostrates to Allah.

2:35
Allah forbade Adam and his wife to approach the tree of knowledge. (Allah spoke directly to Adam—ibn Kathir.)
Contradiction: 42:51 says Allah never speaks directly to a human; He speaks either from behind a veil or through a messenger.

2:37
Adam learned the words of inspiration from Allah. Adam was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 2:131 says Abraham was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 6:14 says Muhammad was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 7:143 says Moses was the first Muslim.
Contradiction: 26:51 says some Egyptians were the first Muslims. 

2:38
Allah ordered Adam and his wife to descend on earth and to preach on people whatever message they received from Allah.
Contradiction: In verse 20:123, before sending Adam on earth, Allah told him humans on earth would be enemies of one another. This means there were already people on earth when Adam descended on it. So Adam was not the first human created by Allah. 

2:47
Allah blesses the Children of Israel more than other believers; He has preferred them above all beings.
Contradiction: 3:33‑34 says Allah preferred Adam, Noah, the house of Abraham, and the house of Imran above all beings. 

2:50
Allah parted the sea (Red sea); saved the Children of Israel (i.e., Moses’ people), and drowned Pharaoh in front of the eyes of the Children of Israel.
Contradiction: 10:90 says Pharaoh submitted to Islam.
Contradiction: 10:92 says Allah saved Pharaoh. 

2:52
Despite their sins of idolatry, Allah forgave the people of Moses.
Contradiction: 2:63 says Allah raised the Mount Sinai above the Children of Israel and threatened them to submit to Him.
Contradiction: 7:152 says Allah punished them. 

2:259
Allah caused a man to sleep for a century, then raised him up, and questioned the man how long he thought had been in sleep (in this verse Allah is directly speaking with an ordinary person).
Contradiction: 42:51 says Allah speaks only through a veil or through a messenger
 
IF YOU WANT MORE OF THE SO CALLED HOLY BOOK'S UNSEEN CONTRADICTIONS I WILL GIVE TO YOU .
 
It appears that Allah is not sure and confident of Himself. He often hesitates, stumbles and errs of what He wants Muslims to emulate and follow. Just like a human being, Allah is prone to inconsistencies, mistakes and blunders. This demonstrates that the Qur’an cannot be the words of Allah, the all‑knowing, perfect, and precise creator of all things in the heavens and on earth. We might wonder how the creator and the sustainer of all things in the Heavens and on earth could construct such a platitude and slovenly written document
 
The law of contradiction means that two antithetical propositions cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense. X cannot be non-X. A thing cannot be and not be simultaneously. And nothing that is true can be self-contradictory or inconsistent with any other truth.
%20%20%20%20All logic depends on this simple principle. Rational thought and meaningful discourse demand it. To deny it is to deny all truth in one fell swoop.
%20%20%20%20Until a little more than a hundred years ago, the law of contradiction was almost universally accepted by philosophers as a self-evident truth. Francis Schaeffer attributed the decline of 20th-century society to the demise of the law of contradiction. He suggested that when philosophy abandons this principle it sinks beneath "the line of despair" and ultimately makes suicide the only viable course of action.
%20%20%20%20Scripture very clearly affirms the law of contradiction. First John 2:21, for example, is explicit: "No lie is of the truth." Many other passages, such as 2 Timothy 2:13, ("[God] cannot deny himself") either assume or reiterate the law of contradiction.
%20%20%20%20Lots of well-meaning Christians, however, seem to operate with the misconception that biblical revelation is somehow exempt from the law of contradiction. They suggest that God's truth can contravene logic if God is so pleased. They often point to the doctrine of the Trinity or pit divine sovereignty against human responsibility as evidence that revealed truth is sometimes contradictory.
%20%20%20%20But Titus 1:2 tells us that "God . . . cannot lie." Therefore even God's Word must be in harmony with the law of contradiction. One clear, unresolvable contradiction would be enough to destroy the trustworthiness of the whole. That's why the enemies of truth are so eager to try to prove that God's Word contradicts itself.
%20%20%20%20Certainly we who love truth ought to jealously guard against any suggestion that God's revelation is internally inconsistent. But more than that, we need to defend the law of contradiction itself, because this is a biblical principle, and it lies at the root of all truth.
 
 
 
 
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bullet Posted: 02 October 2009 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by JOUBERAR

 
The holiest book of Islam. Muslims consider the Qur’an as the infallible words of Allah, free of any ambiguities, contradictions, errors and irrationalities. This guide will demonstrate that far from being perfect, free of ambiguities and errors, the Qur’an is replete with hundreds of contradictory statements that will surprise the critical readers of the Qur’an.


Dear JOUBERAR

Muslims scholars have practiced the laws of logic ( including what is the possible and impossible, what is contradiction ) for hunderds of years, this is not new to Islamic thinking

you mentioned only 10 of what you consider contradictions, is there's more ?
Also where are these errors you speak of ?

My question to you,
If we resolve these so called contradictions you come up with
Will you become a muslim and believer in Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ?

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