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Shibboleth
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Posted: 26 September 2009 at 1:51pm |
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I've read it and this thread is regarding Ishmael. Respond to my post on 'is the Bible still the word of God" it's discussed there. Plus, do your homework and google them you might be surprise.
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“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)
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JOUBERAR
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Posted: 27 September 2009 at 6:57pm |
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Even though if he was a descendant of Ismael it wont make him a prophet or if he was a descendant of Jewish origin that too wont make him a prophet you can asked any ex Muslim they will tell you the Koran and the hadiths is a hoax what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction that A can not be B and B can not be C.
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Akhe Abdullah
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Posted: 28 September 2009 at 11:33am |
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Now you are trying to get smart? "laws of contradiction"nice try, ask any ex-Christian and they will tell you that Christianity and the Bible is a hoax.Christians also have not taken into consideration the law of contradiction or mathmatics.3 doesnt equal 1 and.
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Akhe Abdullah
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Posted: 28 September 2009 at 11:37am |
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Originally posted by JOUBERAR Yeah Because Apostates are the best source of information.Right
asked any ex Muslim they will tell you the Koran and the hadiths is a hoax what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction that A can not be B and B can not be C. |
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Meditations
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Posted: 29 September 2009 at 10:27pm |
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Originally posted by JOUBERAR Even though if he was a descendant of Ismael it wont make him a prophet or if he was a descendant of Jewish origin that too wont make him a prophet Then you should ask the topic starter what's the point of the topic Originally posted by JOUBERAR what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction that A can not be B and B can not be C. This is a quite wild claim, how did muslims do so ? |
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JOUBERAR
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Posted: 01 October 2009 at 7:19am |
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Originally posted by Akhe Abdullah
Originally posted by JOUBERAR Yeah Because Apostates are the best source of information.Rightasked any ex Muslim they will tell you the Koran and the hadiths is a hoax what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction that A can not be B and B can not be C. No the false Quran and hadiths is my best source of information.
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JOUBERAR
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Posted: 01 October 2009 at 8:58am |
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Originally posted by Meditations
Originally posted by JOUBERAR Even though if he was a descendant of Ismael it wont make him a prophet or if he was a descendant of Jewish origin that too wont make him a prophet Then you should ask the topic starter what's the point of the topic Originally posted by JOUBERAR what Muslims also have not take in to consideration is the law of contradiction that A can not be B and B can not be C. This is a quite wild claim, how did muslims do so ? The holiest book of Islam. Muslims consider the Qur’an as the infallible words of Allah, free of any ambiguities, contradictions, errors and irrationalities. This guide will demonstrate that far from being perfect, free of ambiguities and errors, the Qur’an is replete with hundreds of contradictory statements that will surprise the critical readers of the Qur’an. It is unbelievable that an omnipotent, omniscient, all‑knowing, and all‑powerful Allah will have such a demented intellect to construct so many contradictory passages.
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Allah created the mankind; they should worship Him. Contradiction: 3:97, 35:15 say Allah does not need mankind and the jinns; He is free of all want. 2:29 2:34 2:35 2:37 2:38 2:47 2:50 2:52 2:259
Allah caused a man to sleep for a century, then raised him up, and questioned the man how long he thought had been in sleep (in this verse Allah is directly speaking with an ordinary person). Contradiction: 42:51 says Allah speaks only through a veil or through a messenger IF YOU WANT MORE OF THE SO CALLED HOLY BOOK'S UNSEEN CONTRADICTIONS I WILL GIVE TO YOU .
It appears that Allah is not sure and confident of Himself. He often hesitates, stumbles and errs of what He wants Muslims to emulate and follow. Just like a human being, Allah is prone to inconsistencies, mistakes and blunders. This demonstrates that the Qur’an cannot be the words of Allah, the all‑knowing, perfect, and precise creator of all things in the heavens and on earth. We might wonder how the creator and the sustainer of all things in the Heavens and on earth could construct such a platitude and slovenly written document
The law of contradiction means that two antithetical propositions cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense. X cannot be non-X. A thing cannot be and not be simultaneously. And nothing that is true can be self-contradictory or inconsistent with any other truth.
All logic depends on this simple principle. Rational thought and meaningful discourse demand it. To deny it is to deny all truth in one fell swoop. Until a little more than a hundred years ago, the law of contradiction was almost universally accepted by philosophers as a self-evident truth. Francis Schaeffer attributed the decline of 20th-century society to the demise of the law of contradiction. He suggested that when philosophy abandons this principle it sinks beneath "the line of despair" and ultimately makes suicide the only viable course of action. Scripture very clearly affirms the law of contradiction. First John 2:21, for example, is explicit: "No lie is of the truth." Many other passages, such as 2 Timothy 2:13, ("[God] cannot deny himself") either assume or reiterate the law of contradiction. Lots of well-meaning Christians, however, seem to operate with the misconception that biblical revelation is somehow exempt from the law of contradiction. They suggest that God's truth can contravene logic if God is so pleased. They often point to the doctrine of the Trinity or pit divine sovereignty against human responsibility as evidence that revealed truth is sometimes contradictory. But Titus 1:2 tells us that "God . . . cannot lie." Therefore even God's Word must be in harmony with the law of contradiction. One clear, unresolvable contradiction would be enough to destroy the trustworthiness of the whole. That's why the enemies of truth are so eager to try to prove that God's Word contradicts itself. Certainly we who love truth ought to jealously guard against any suggestion that God's revelation is internally inconsistent. But more than that, we need to defend the law of contradiction itself, because this is a biblical principle, and it lies at the root of all truth. |
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Meditations
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Posted: 02 October 2009 at 3:21pm |
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Originally posted by JOUBERAR The holiest book of Islam. Muslims consider the Qur’an as the infallible words of Allah, free of any ambiguities, contradictions, errors and irrationalities. This guide will demonstrate that far from being perfect, free of ambiguities and errors, the Qur’an is replete with hundreds of contradictory statements that will surprise the critical readers of the Qur’an.
Dear JOUBERAR Muslims scholars have practiced the laws of logic ( including what is the possible and impossible, what is contradiction ) for hunderds of years, this is not new to Islamic thinking you mentioned only 10 of what you consider contradictions, is there's more ? Also where are these errors you speak of ? My question to you, If we resolve these so called contradictions you come up with Will you become a muslim and believer in Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ? Best Regards |
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