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Posted: 02 September 2009 at 2:44am

Is the Bible Still the Word of God?

Even thou I use verses to support some of my writings, i don't think so because there are so many versions (KJV, NKJV, NIV, catholic one to just name a few) that its impossible at times to choose which one to buy, some have verses that others don't and then some have verses differently worded.

It drives me insane its one book that is hard to buy

unfortunately

And then there is the old age of me saying that there is evidence of words being rubbed out of the oldest bibles and replaced.

Edited by Angel - 02 September 2009 at 2:49am

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Posted: 02 September 2009 at 5:51am

Salams, Meditation and Hasan good job!Somebody(men) messed up big time with the bible.

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Posted: 02 September 2009 at 7:51am

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

Only 1 verse of Quran is enough to prove that Bible is corrupt.

004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Here is another explicit verse speaking of Bible corruption, the Quran states that if anyone believes that Jesus died and was crucified they then follow nothing but CONJECTURE which is corruption. Which book today tells us that Jesus died and was crucified? The Bible, so hence the Quran here does call the Bible corrupt. So it can't get anymore clear than that.

Ohhh, i have much to say in this bit but right now keep it real brief.

That is not enough to prove from qu'ran that the bible is corrupt. I can say that from the qu'ran this is conjecture, myself. I kinda believe that once the romans had Jesus they would not have let him out of their sight.

I don't think the verse of they killed him not, but made it to appear so...is enough to make out the bible is corrupt.

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Posted: 02 September 2009 at 8:20am

Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by Mansoor_ali

Only 1 verse of Quran is enough to prove that Bible is corrupt.

004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Ohhh, i have much to say in this bit but right now keep it real brief.

I don't think the verse of they killed him not, but made it to appear so...is enough to make out the bible is corrupt.

I think that the Bible itself is sufficient proof that it is corrupt.

I had never read the Quran, nor knew anything about Islam, when I started having serious doubts about Christianity. It was my search for the truth that brought me to read the Quran, not the other way round.

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Posted: 02 September 2009 at 11:03am

Ohhh, i have much to say in this bit but right now keep it real brief.

I don't think the verse of they killed him not, but made it to appear so...is enough to make out the bible is corrupt.

Surah 4:157

And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

The verse is making it clear that the crucifixion of Jesus is conjecture or corruption. The crucifixion of Jesus is clearly taught in the Gospels that we have today, thus the Qur'an is clearly in an indirect way saying that this is corrupted.

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Posted: 02 September 2009 at 2:10pm

Originally posted by Angel

Is the Bible Still the Word of God?

It drives me insane its one book that is hard to buy

unfortunately

And then there is the old age of me saying that there is evidence of words being rubbed out of the oldest bibles and replaced.

Hi Angel,

If we believe that God's word needs to stay pure and in its original form unaltered, and that the word of God proves as such when it is in 100% agreement within itself, a prime quality of divine messege. You and I know so far that in the case of the Bible's its not so. Thus, it cannot qualify as the word of God in its present condition. Since it is not authentic, it cannot be relied upon as the information it gives out cannot be trusted. We can read it as a book, but in my opinion cannot rely on what it says. I hope you understand what I am trying to convey. By saying this in no way I intend to defame, degrade anything or anybody, just plain truthful honest conclusion backed by facts, and its not the end of the road neither.

Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 02 September 2009 at 10:34pm

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

I think that the Bible itself is sufficient proof that it is corrupt.

Salams I felt the same and when I first read the Qur'an and came across the Ayat that said we were all born in a state of Al Islam and our parents made us Jews and Christians I knew that it was Haqq,because it spoke to me and had me wanting to hear more.I knew that I was lead to Al Islam (Al Hamduillah) and not like Christianity(leaving out the religion of the first Prophets(As) which is so very clear) we were forced fed that so to say.I took a long look at history and who runs things(whose telling his-story)we were all getting told what they wanted us to know and not what we should know(Muhammad S.A.W the seal of the Prophets).Even the bible says somewhere seek and ye shall find.I did and I found The Deen of Al Haqq(Al Hamduillah!)

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Posted: 03 September 2009 at 7:33am

Originally posted by Nazarene

Originally posted by Natassia

Unfortunately, because the Quran contradicts the Bible, the Bible must be "corrupt."

(I won't get into the logical fallacies required to justify that belief.)

salaams

and what of Paul? Jesus reafirms the law and states in Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

but Paul nullifies the law when he states

Galatians 3:11
Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
also

Galatians 3:23
Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Galatians 2:16
know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

So how do you think jesus {p} would think of paul making the law dissapear?

leland

Have you ever try to understand several side of a shape? Do u know, each side hiding the other, because this is one thing, and you will not find the truth if you don’t try for understanding all of sides.

All of prophets are agree to each other, people are fighting to each other for them!

Law is not against the love, and love is not disappearing the law. They are one program in righteousness, for salvation. Do you need that?

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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 02 September 2009 at 2:44am
	Is the Bible Still the Word of God? Even thou I use verses to support some of my writings, i don't think so because there are so many versions (KJV, NKJV, NIV, catholic one to just name a few) that its impossible at times to choose which one to buy, some have verses that others don't and then some have verses differently worded. It drives me insane its one book that is hard to buy unfortunately And then there is the old age of me saying that there is evidence of words being rubbed out of the oldest bibles and replaced. Edited by Angel - 02 September 2009 at 2:49am
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Akhe Abdullah Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1252	Posted: 02 September 2009 at 5:51am
	Salams, Meditation and Hasan good job!Somebody(men) messed up big time with the bible.
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 02 September 2009 at 7:51am
	*Originally posted by Mansoor_ali* Only 1 verse of Quran is enough to prove that Bible is corrupt. 004.157 YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Here is another explicit verse speaking of Bible corruption, the Quran states that if anyone believes that Jesus died and was crucified they then follow nothing but CONJECTURE which is corruption. Which book today tells us that Jesus died and was crucified? The Bible, so hence the Quran here does call the Bible corrupt. So it can't get anymore clear than that. Ohhh, i have much to say in this bit but right now keep it real brief. That is not enough to prove from qu'ran that the bible is corrupt. I can say that from the qu'ran this is conjecture, myself. I kinda believe that once the romans had Jesus they would not have let him out of their sight. I don't think the verse of they killed him not, but made it to appear so...is enough to make out the bible is corrupt.
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Shasta'sAunt Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1930	Posted: 02 September 2009 at 8:20am
	*Originally posted by Angel* *Originally posted by Mansoor_ali* Only 1 verse of Quran is enough to prove that Bible is corrupt. 004.157 YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, *but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-* Here is another explicit verse speaking of Bible corruption, the Quran states that if anyone believes that Jesus died and was crucified they then follow nothing but CONJECTURE which is corruption. Which book today tells us that Jesus died and was crucified? The Bible, so hence the Quran here does call the Bible corrupt. So it can't get anymore clear than that. Ohhh, i have much to say in this bit but right now keep it real brief. That is not enough to prove from qu'ran that the bible is corrupt. I can say that from the qu'ran this is conjecture, myself. I kinda believe that once the romans had Jesus they would not have let him out of their sight. I don't think the verse of they killed him not, but made it to appear so...is enough to make out the bible is corrupt. I think that the Bible itself is sufficient proof that it is corrupt. I had never read the Quran, nor knew anything about Islam, when I started having serious doubts about Christianity. It was my search for the truth that brought me to read the Quran, not the other way round.
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Mansoor_ali Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 25 September 2008 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 581	Posted: 02 September 2009 at 11:03am
	Ohhh, i have much to say in this bit but right now keep it real brief. That is not enough to prove from qu'ran that the bible is corrupt. I can say that from the qu'ran this is conjecture, myself. I kinda believe that once the romans had Jesus they would not have let him out of their sight. I don't think the verse of they killed him not, but made it to appear so...is enough to make out the bible is corrupt. Surah 4:157 And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. The verse is making it clear that the crucifixion of Jesus is conjecture or corruption. The crucifixion of Jesus is clearly taught in the Gospels that we have today, thus the Qur'an is clearly in an indirect way saying that this is corrupted.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 02 September 2009 at 2:10pm
	*Originally posted by Angel* Is the Bible Still the Word of God? Even thou I use verses to support some of my writings, i don't think so because there are so many versions (KJV, NKJV, NIV, catholic one to just name a few) that its impossible at times to choose which one to buy, some have verses that others don't and then some have verses differently worded. It drives me insane its one book that is hard to buy unfortunately And then there is the old age of me saying that there is evidence of words being rubbed out of the oldest bibles and replaced. Hi Angel, If we believe that God's word needs to stay pure and in its original form unaltered, and that the word of God proves as such when it is in 100% agreement within itself, a prime quality of divine messege. You and I know so far that in the case of the Bible's its not so. Thus, it cannot qualify as the word of God in its present condition. Since it is not authentic, it cannot be relied upon as the information it gives out cannot be trusted. We can read it as a book, but in my opinion cannot rely on what it says. I hope you understand what I am trying to convey. By saying this in no way I intend to defame, degrade anything or anybody, just plain truthful honest conclusion backed by facts, and its not the end of the road neither. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Akhe Abdullah Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1252	Posted: 02 September 2009 at 10:34pm
	*Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt* I think that the Bible itself is sufficient proof that it is corrupt. I had never read the Quran, nor knew anything about Islam, when I started having serious doubts about Christianity. It was my search for the truth that brought me to read the Quran, not the other way round. Salams I felt the same and when I first read the Qur'an and came across the Ayat that said we were all born in a state of Al Islam and our parents made us Jews and Christians I knew that it was Haqq,because it spoke to me and had me wanting to hear more.I knew that I was lead to Al Islam (Al Hamduillah) and not like Christianity(leaving out the religion of the first Prophets(As) which is so very clear) we were forced fed that so to say.I took a long look at history and who runs things(whose telling his-story)we were all getting told what they wanted us to know and not what we should know(Muhammad S.A.W the seal of the Prophets).Even the bible says somewhere seek and ye shall find.I did and I found The Deen of Al Haqq(Al Hamduillah!) Edited by Akhe Abdullah - 02 September 2009 at 10:46pm
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Moses Male Groupie Joined: 02 September 2009 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 65	Posted: 03 September 2009 at 7:33am
	*Originally posted by Nazarene* *Originally posted by Natassia* Unfortunately, because the Quran contradicts the Bible, the Bible must be "corrupt." (I won't get into the logical fallacies required to justify that belief.) salaams and what of Paul? Jesus reafirms the law and states in Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. but Paul nullifies the law when he states Galatians 3:11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." also Galatians 3:23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. Romans 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Galatians 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. So how do you think jesus {p} would think of paul making the law dissapear? leland Have you ever try to understand several side of a shape? Do u know, each side hiding the other, because this is one thing, and you will not find the truth if you don’t try for understanding all of sides. All of prophets are agree to each other, people are fighting to each other for them! Law is not against the love, and love is not disappearing the law. They are one program in righteousness, for salvation. Do you need that?
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