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Posted: 15 July 2005 at 7:56am

Originally posted by ZamanH

In fact the entire world is suffering becasue of the Western mischief.

The entire world is suffering from the western mischief ??? LOL!

here we go with blame the west all day long!

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Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:16am

Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by ZamanH

In fact the entire world is suffering becasue of the Western mischief.

The entire world is suffering from the western mischief ??? LOL!

here we go with blame the west all day long!

Yes, Western despotism is exceptional. And I don't cite any conspiracy theories to support my claims, what I say are commonly known facts. And I don't think I interpret them wrongly.

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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet

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Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:32am

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Let's agree that it is Muslims' ignorance of God's commands and their excessive preoccupation with issues concerning material well-being that resulted in today's affairs and state of Muslims around the world.

West, however, took the chance and helped accelerate the process in their own obvious interest and through all means that were available to them...

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Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:41am

yes I agree to that (though, that will make me appear inconsistent in my views). But West is certainly greatest of all threats Muslims are facing now.

An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet

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Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:58am

Originally posted by ZamanH

But West is certainly greatest of all threats Muslims are facing now.

I would think it was the fundamentalist and extremist that twist the understanding of islam that muslims are facing more of these days.

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Posted: 15 July 2005 at 9:00am

Bismillah

Some of the most bitter enemies of the early Ummah became the most prominent Muslims. Our greatest threat lies in ignorance of the way of the Early Muslims... the way of Quran and Sunnah. And May Allah guide us right.

Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Unimah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white trea- sure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. Well, I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others. (Sahih Muslim Book 41, No. 6904)

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Posted: 15 July 2005 at 7:20pm

Originally posted by ZamanH

Originally posted by Rezz

The results of this flawed ideology are Countries which are back-ward looking, oppressive and corrupt, communities who languish at the bottom of society and maniacs who are willing to kill in the name of Allah.

Outside the West and Japan prosperity and democracy is only an exception (prosperity, is non-existent I think). It is wrong to say that Muslims are suffering because of their own faults. In fact the entire world is suffering becasue of the Western mischief...

This is not wholly true. To view history through one simple prism is rarely ever a true picture - whether that prism is a Western or Eastern perspective. To see nuances and understand more about human nature reveals a fuller picture of responsiblities. The West & the East are neither wholly good nor wholly bad.

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Posted: 16 July 2005 at 10:46am

Absolutely amazing. We must celebrate this profound thought and that too from an American (more used to just the good and the Evil characters in films and also on the world stage). My best compliments, B95000!

The West & the East are neither wholly good nor wholly bad.

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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 15 July 2005 at 7:56am
	*Originally posted by ZamanH* In fact the entire world is suffering becasue of the Western mischief. The entire world is suffering from the western mischief ??? LOL! here we go with blame the west all day long!
	[IMG]http://www.mysmilie.de/smilies/engel/img/003.gif" />~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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ZamanH Guest Group Account Suspended Joined: 21 July 2004 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 448	Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:16am
	*Originally posted by Angel* *Originally posted by ZamanH* In fact the entire world is suffering becasue of the Western mischief. The entire world is suffering from the western mischief ??? LOL! here we go with blame the west all day long! Yes, Western despotism is exceptional. And I don't cite any conspiracy theories to support my claims, what I say are commonly known facts. And I don't think I interpret them wrongly. Edited by ZamanH
	An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend. There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet
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MOCKBA Moderator Group Joined: 27 September 2000 Location: Malaysia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1410	Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:32am
	Bismillah Let's agree that it is Muslims' ignorance of God's commands and their excessive preoccupation with issues concerning material well-being that resulted in today's affairs and state of Muslims around the world. West, however, took the chance and helped accelerate the process in their own obvious interest and through all means that were available to them...
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ZamanH Guest Group Account Suspended Joined: 21 July 2004 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 448	Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:41am
	yes I agree to that (though, that will make me appear inconsistent in my views). But West is certainly greatest of all threats Muslims are facing now.
	An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend. There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Angel Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626	Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:58am
	*Originally posted by ZamanH* But West is certainly greatest of all threats Muslims are facing now. I would think it was the fundamentalist and extremist that twist the understanding of islam that muslims are facing more of these days.
	[IMG]http://www.mysmilie.de/smilies/engel/img/003.gif" />~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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MOCKBA Moderator Group Joined: 27 September 2000 Location: Malaysia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1410	Posted: 15 July 2005 at 9:00am
	Bismillah Some of the most bitter enemies of the early Ummah became the most prominent Muslims. Our greatest threat lies in ignorance of the way of the Early Muslims... the way of Quran and Sunnah. And May Allah guide us right. Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Unimah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white trea- sure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. Well, I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others. (Sahih Muslim Book 41, No. 6904)
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b95000 Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1328	Posted: 15 July 2005 at 7:20pm
	*Originally posted by ZamanH* *Originally posted by Rezz* The results of this flawed ideology are Countries which are back-ward looking, oppressive and corrupt, communities who languish at the bottom of society and maniacs who are willing to kill in the name of Allah. Outside the West and Japan prosperity and democracy is only an exception (prosperity, is non-existent I think). It is wrong to say that Muslims are suffering because of their own faults. In fact the entire world is suffering becasue of the Western mischief... This is not wholly true. To view history through one simple prism is rarely ever a true picture - whether that prism is a Western or Eastern perspective. To see nuances and understand more about human nature reveals a fuller picture of responsiblities. The West & the East are neither wholly good nor wholly bad. Edited by b95000
	Bruce Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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Whisper Male Other Senior Member Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4752	Posted: 16 July 2005 at 10:46am
	Absolutely amazing. We must celebrate this profound thought and that too from an American (more used to just the good and the Evil characters in films and also on the world stage). My best compliments, B95000! The West & the East are neither wholly good nor wholly bad.
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