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Duane
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:22pm

As Salamu Alaikum

I remember reading that the muslims started to rely more on their superior numbers for victory instead of relying only on Allah for victory. This was a cause for loss in battle.

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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:43pm

Wa'laikum Salam wa Rahmatullah,

JazakAllahu khayr brother Duane. Shall add my notes.

As Br. Usmani said that the ayah i quoted in the question refers to Battle of Badr. But its used here while the battle of Uhud is explained in the context. Following are the ayahs.

124. (Remember) when you said to the believers, "Is it not enough for you that your Lord should help you with three thousand angels sent down''

125. "But, if you hold on to patience and have Taqwa, and the enemy comes rushing at you; your Lord will help you with five thousand angels having marks (of distinction).''

When we notice the ayah 125 - "But if you hold on patience and have Taqwa". This is the condition Allah swt laid.

During the battle of Badr, the number of angels sent by Allah swt for help gradually increased. As for Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, he said, "Allah supported the Muslims with one thousand (angels), then the number reached three thousand, then five thousand.'Why did this number increase ? Because the taqwa and patiece of the muslims increased. But during the battle of Uhud, we were winning. We almost won the battle, the taqwa and patience declined, when we were attacked again. And so did Allah swt did not send angels for help.

The lesson we learn from this is, during our times of calamities or hardships, we are to retain the taqwa and patience. Allah swt's help shall surely come to us. But when we loose patience and trust, then we may not receive any such help.

Another cause is we did not follow the sunnah. The command of Prophet,{to stand at the hillside}. How many times inour lives, we disobey Prophet !!!

Another cause that comes to my mind, is the love of weALTH, or we can also state it as attraction towards dunya /worldly affairs --.

I wish, any of our members, hold mre explanation or any correction, kindly share it here and correct us.

May Allah swt help to follow what we learn and share here. Ameen

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:44pm

Next Question :

Insha Allah, shall post it by the end of the day, or by tomorrow. Or if any our members hold any question, you can kindly share here.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:05pm

Who sought the Prophet's intercession on behalf of a woman accused of theft?

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Posted: 09 November 2009 at 6:12pm

As Salamu Alaikum

Is it Osama bin Zaid RA, br ?

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:55am

Yeah.

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Quraish people became very worried about the Makhzumiya lady who had committed theft. They said, "Nobody can speak (in favor of the lady) to Allah's Apostle and nobody dares do that except Usama who is the favorite of Allah's Apostle. " When Usama spoke to Allah's Apostle about that matter, Allah's Apostle said, "Do you intercede (with me) to violate one of the legal punishment of Allah?" Then he got up and addressed the people, saying..

"O people! The nations before you went astray because if a noble person committed theft, they used to leave him, but if a weak person among them committed theft, they used to inflict the legal punishment on him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad committed theft, Muhammad will cut off her hand!"

Volume 8, Book 81, Number 779
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Posted: 13 November 2009 at 2:49am

As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah

JazakAllahu khayr brother for the question and answering it by sharing the hadith

Next Question :

Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas and Abdullah ibn Jahsh RA. made duas for each other during the battle of Uhud. Each one saying "ameen" for other's dua {prayer} made. There duas were accepted by Allah swt.

What did they pray for ?

Edited by seekshidayath - 13 November 2009 at 2:54am

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 13 November 2009 at 9:26am

One for victory over his opponent (Sa'd) and the other, (Abdullah), for martyrdom at the hands of his adversary.

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Duane Male Islam Groupie Joined: 27 March 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 70	Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:22pm
	As Salamu Alaikum I remember reading that the muslims started to rely more on their superior numbers for victory instead of relying only on Allah for victory. This was a cause for loss in battle.
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:43pm
	Wa'laikum Salam wa Rahmatullah, JazakAllahu khayr brother Duane. Shall add my notes. As Br. Usmani said that the ayah i quoted in the question refers to Battle of Badr. But its used here while the battle of Uhud is explained in the context. Following are the ayahs. 124. (Remember) when you said to the believers, "Is it not enough for you that your Lord should help you with three thousand angels sent down'' 125. "But, if you hold on to patience and have Taqwa, and the enemy comes rushing at you; your Lord will help you with five thousand angels having marks (of distinction).'' When we notice the ayah 125 - "But if you hold on patience and have Taqwa". This is the condition Allah swt laid. During the battle of Badr, the number of angels sent by Allah swt for help gradually increased. As for Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, he said, "Allah supported the Muslims with one thousand (angels), then the number reached three thousand, then five thousand.'Why did this number increase ? Because the taqwa and patiece of the muslims increased. But during the battle of Uhud, we were winning. We almost won the battle, the taqwa and patience declined, when we were attacked again. And so did Allah swt did not send angels for help. The lesson we learn from this is, during our times of calamities or hardships, we are to retain the taqwa and patience. Allah swt's help shall surely come to us. But when we loose patience and trust, then we may not receive any such help. Another cause is we did not follow the sunnah. The command of Prophet,{to stand at the hillside}. How many times inour lives, we disobey Prophet !!! Another cause that comes to my mind, is the love of weALTH, or we can also state it as attraction towards dunya /worldly affairs --. I wish, any of our members, hold mre explanation or any correction, kindly share it here and correct us. May Allah swt help to follow what we learn and share here. Ameen
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:44pm
	Next Question : Insha Allah, shall post it by the end of the day, or by tomorrow. Or if any our members hold any question, you can kindly share here.
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4014	Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:05pm
	Who sought the Prophet's intercession on behalf of a woman accused of theft?
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 09 November 2009 at 6:12pm
	As Salamu Alaikum Is it Osama bin Zaid RA, br ?
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4014	Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:55am
	Yeah. Narrated 'Aisha: The Quraish people became very worried about the Makhzumiya lady who had committed theft. They said, "Nobody can speak (in favor of the lady) to Allah's Apostle and nobody dares do that except Usama who is the favorite of Allah's Apostle. " When Usama spoke to Allah's Apostle about that matter, Allah's Apostle said, "Do you intercede (with me) to violate one of the legal punishment of Allah?" Then he got up and addressed the people, saying.. "O people! The nations before you went astray because if a noble person committed theft, they used to leave him, but if a weak person among them committed theft, they used to inflict the legal punishment on him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad committed theft, Muhammad will cut off her hand!" Volume 8, Book 81, Number 779 Sahih Bukhari
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seekshidayath Female Islam Senior Member Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 3338	Posted: 13 November 2009 at 2:49am
	As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah JazakAllahu khayr brother for the question and answering it by sharing the hadith Next Question : Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas and Abdullah ibn Jahsh RA. made duas for each other during the battle of Uhud. Each one saying "ameen" for other's dua {prayer} made. There duas were accepted by Allah swt. What did they pray for ? Edited by seekshidayath - 13 November 2009 at 2:54am
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4014	Posted: 13 November 2009 at 9:26am
	One for victory over his opponent (Sa'd) and the other, (Abdullah), for martyrdom at the hands of his adversary.
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