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Quote Full of Hopes Replybullet Posted: 30 August 2009 at 6:46pm

   Ok I understand that I have to be more patient as some sisters advise me. Brother Megatron might not be aware of what he is saying. He may don't mean to deny the existance of Allah the Greatest. I'm not really sure what he wants to say but:

1- We as human being don't know the intentions. We hear the words and understand the seen things not the hidden thoughts in heart.

2- If we hear any person saying that about Allah no matter what his intention is and keep silent, we will open the door to others who have bad intention to say this About Allah, Muslims and prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him.

   3- There is day when every one of us is asked about his silence as his speech, no chance to lie or hide anything. Allah will ask us ,Muslims, about keeping silence in front of someone saying NO PROOFS of HIM, no matter what his intention is. I swear I may be more patient if someone abuses me or my family but forgive me I can't keep silent when someone say.. No proofs of Allah. So we worship , pray, fast, perform hajj and believe in no thing just a shadow in our hearts, not in real life!!!!!!

   Believe me you can't keep Islam in your heart until the death moment if you think Allah is only faith in hearts without very strong proofs. That is why Allah in many many verses of Qura'n orders us to look around   us.. even to look inside our bodies, to look at the sky and starts.. just to seek those proofs of Him.

Finally, May Allah forgive me and you if I hurt anyone or misunderstood anyone.

We will leave this Dunia any time alone ....

    
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Quote Full of Hopes Replybullet Posted: 30 August 2009 at 6:51pm

Ramadan Mubarak to you brother Akhe Abdullah, and All brothers and sisters of Islam. May Allah help us to make the full use of every moment in this holy month. May Allah reward everyone who stand for Allah and Islam. May Allah defend him and protect him from shytan and all bad souls.

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Quote Akhe Abdullah Replybullet Posted: 30 August 2009 at 8:36pm
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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 31 August 2009 at 4:19pm
Nabil:
Just in case you return here is an article from one of famous Pakistani and he brought up a very good point i.e., "Brown Sahib Syndrome"...
Read at your leisure and think... The mental outlook of Pakistanis...

By Imran Khan

My generation grew up at a time when colonial hang up was at its peak. Our older generation had been slaves and had a huge inferiority complex of the British. The school I went to was similar to all elite schools in Pakistan. Despite gaining independent, they were, and still are, producing replicas of public schoolboys rather than Pakistanis.
I read Shakespeare, which was fine, but no Allama Iqbal - the national poet of Pakistan. The class on Islamic studies was not taken seriously, and when I left school I was considered among the elite of the country because I could speak English and wore Western clothes.
Despite periodically shouting 'Pakistan Zindabad' in school functions, I considered my own culture backward and religion outdated. Among our group if any one talked about religion, prayed or kept a beard he was immediately branded a Mullah.
Because of the power of the Western media, our heroes were Western movie stars or pop stars. When I went to Oxford already burdened with this hang up, things didn't get any easier. At Oxford, not just Islam, but all religions were considered anachronism.
Science had replaced religion and if something couldn't be logically proved it did not exist. All supernatural stuff was confined to the movies. Philosophers like Darwin, who with his half-baked theory of evolution had supposedly disproved the creation of men and hence religion, were read and revered.
Moreover, European history reflected its awful experience with religion. The horrors committed by the Christian clergy during the Inquisition era had left a powerful impact on the Western mind. To understand why the West is so keen on secularism, one should go to places like Cordoba in Spain and see the torture apparatus used during the Spanish Inquisition. Also the persecution of scientists as heretics by the clergy had convinced the Europeans that all religions are regressive.
However, the biggest factor that drove people like me away from religion was the selective Islam practiced by most of its preachers. In short, there was a huge difference between what they practiced and what they preached. Also, rather than explaining the philosophy behind the religion, there was an overemphasis on rituals.
I feel that humans are different to animals. While, the latter can be drilled, humans need to be intellectually convinced. That is why the Qur'an constantly appeals to reason. The worst, of course, was the exploitation of Islam for political gains by various individuals or groups. Hence, it was a miracle I did not become an atheist. The only reason why I did not was the powerful religious influence my mother wielded on me since my childhood. It was not so much out of conviction but love for her that I stayed a Muslim.
However, my Islam was selective. I accepted only parts of the religion that suited me. Prayers were restricted to Eid days and occasionally on Fridays, when my father insisted on taking me to the mosque with him. All in all I was smoothly moving to becoming a Pukka Brown Sahib. After all I had the right credentials in terms of school, university and, above all, acceptability in the English aristocracy, something that our brown sahibs would give their lives for. So what led me to do a 'lota' on the Brown Sahib culture and instead become a 'desi'?
Well it did not just happen overnight.
Firstly, the inferiority complex that my generation had inherited gradually went as I developed into a world-class athlete. Secondly, I was in the unique position of living between two cultures. I began to see the advantages and the disadvantages of both societies.
In Western societies, institutions were strong while they were collapsing in our country. However, there was an area where we were and still are superior, and that is our family life. I began to realize that this was the Western society's biggest loss. In trying to free itself from the oppression of the clergy, they had removed both God and religion from their lives.

While science, no matter how much it progresses, can answer a lot of questions - two questions it will never be able to answer: One, what is the purpose of our existence and two, what happens to us when we die? It is this vacuum that I felt created the materialistic and the hedonistic culture. If this is the only life then one must make hay while the sun shines - and in order to do so one needs money. Such a culture is bound to cause psychological problems in a human being, as there was going to be an imbalance between the body and the soul. Consequently, in the US, which has shown the greatest materialistic progress while giving its citizens numerous rights, almost 60 percent of the population consult psychiatrists. Yet, amazingly in modern psychology, there is no study of the human soul. Sweden and Switzerland, who provide the most welfare to their citizens, also have the highest suicide rates. Hence, man is not necessarily content with material well being and needs something more. Since all morality has it roots in religion, on
ce religion was removed, immorality has progressively grown since the 70s. Its direct impact has been on family life. In the UK, the divorce rate is 60 percent, while it is estimated that there are over 35 percent single mothers. The crime rate is rising in almost all Western societies, but the most disturbing fact is the alarming increase in racism. While science always tries to prove the inequality of man (recent survey showing the American Black to be genetically less intelligent than whites) it is only religion that preaches the equality of man. Between 1991 and 1997, it was estimated that total immigration into Europe was around 520,000, and there were racially motivated attacks all over, especially in Britain, France and Germany. In Pakistan during the Afghan war, we had over four million refugees, and despite the people being so much poorer, there was no racial tension.
There was a sequence of events in the 80s that moved me toward God as the Qur'an says: "There are signs for people of understanding." One of them was cricket. As I was a student of the game, the more I understood the game, the more I began to realize that what I considered to be chance was, in fact, the will of Allah. A pattern which became clearer with time. But it was not until Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" that my understanding of Islam began to develop.
People like me who were living in the Western world bore the brunt of anti-Islam prejudice that followed the Muslim reaction to the book. We were left with two choices: fight or flight. Since I felt strongly that the attacks on Islam were unfair, I decided to fight. It was then I realized that I was not equipped to do so as my knowledge of Islam was inadequate. Hence I started my research and for me a period of my greatest enlightenment. I read scholars like Ali Shariati, Muhammad Asad, Iqbal, Gai Eaton, plus of course, a study of Qur'an. I will try to explain as concisely as is possible, what "dis
covering the truth" meant for me. When the believers are addressed in the Qur'an, it always says, "Those who believe and do good deeds." In other words, a Muslim has dual function, one toward God and the other toward fellow human beings.
The greatest impact of believing in God for me, meant that I lost all fear of human beings. The Qur'an liberates man from man when it says that life and death and respect and humiliation are God's jurisdiction, so we do not have to bow before other human beings.
Moreover, since this is a transitory world where we prepare for the eternal one, I broke out of the self-imposed prisons, such as growing old (such a curse in the Western world, as a result of which, plastic surgeons are having a field day), materialism, ego, what people say and so on. It is important to note that one does not eliminate earthly desires. But instead of being controlled by them, one controls them. By following the second part of believing in Islam, I have become a better human being. Rather than being self-centered and living for the self, I feel that because the Almighty gave so much to me, in turn I must use that blessing to help the less privileged. This I did by following the fundamentals of Islam rather than becoming a Kalashnikov- wielding fanatic.
I have become a tolerant and a giving human being who feels compassion for the underprivileged. Instead of attributing success to myself, I know it is because of God's will, hence I learned humility instead of arrogance.
Also, instead of the snobbish Brown Sahib attitude toward our masses, I believe in egalitarianism and strongly feel against the injustice done to the weak in our society. According to the Qur'an, "Oppression is worse than killing." In fact only now do I understand the true meaning of Islam, if you submit to the will of Allah, you have inner peace. Through my faith, I have discovered strength within me that I never knew existed and that has released my potential in life. I feel that in Pakistan we have selective Islam. Just believing in God and going through the rituals is not enough. One also has to be a good human being. I feel there are certain Western countries with far more Islamic traits than us in Pakistan, especially in the way they protect the rights of their citizens, or for that matter their justice system. In fact some of the finest individuals I know live there.
What I dislike about them is their double standards in the way they protect the rights of their citizens but consider citizens of other countries as being somehow inferior to them as human being, e.g. dumping toxic waste in the Third World, advertising cigarettes that are not allowed in the West and selling drugs that are banned in the West. One of the problems facing Pakistan is the polarization of two reactionary groups. On the one side is the Westernized group that looks upon Islam through Western eyes and has inadequate knowledge about the subject. It reacts strongly to anyone trying to impose Islam in society and wants only a selective part of the religion. On the other extreme is the group that reacts to this Westernized elite and in trying to become a defender of the faith, takes up such intolerant and self-righteous attitudes that are repugnant to the spirit of Islam. What needs to be done is to somehow start a dialogue between the two extreme. In order for this to happen, the group on whom the greatest proportion of our educational resources are spent in this country must study Islam properly.
Whether they become practicing Muslims or believe in God is entirely a personal choice. As the Qur'an tells us there is "no compulsion in religion." However, they must arm themselves with knowledge as a weapon to fight extremism. Just by turning up their noses at extremism the problem is not going to be solved.
The Qur'an calls Muslims "the middle nation", not of extremes. The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was told to simply give the message and not worry whether people converted or not, therefore, there is no question in Islam of forcing your opinions on anyone else.
Moreover, we are told to respect other religions, their places of worship and their prophets. It should be noted that no Muslim missionaries or armies ever went to Malaysia or Indonesia. The people converted to Islam due to the high principles and impeccable character of the Muslim traders. At the moment, the worst advertisements for Islam are the countries with their selective Islam, especially where religion is used to deprive people of their rights. In fact, a society that obeys fundamentals of Islam has to be a liberal one.
If Pakistan's Westernized class starts to study Islam, not only will it be able to help society fight sectarianism and extremism, but it will also make them realize what a progressive religion Islam is. They will also be able to help the Western world by articulating Islamic concepts. Recently, Prince Charles accepted that the Western world can learn from Islam. But how can this happen if the group that is in the best position to project Islam gets its attitudes from the West and considers Islam backward? Islam is a universal religion and that is why our Prophet (peace be upon him) was called a Mercy for all mankind. (Internews)
This article appeared on < arabnews > , a leading English daily in Saudi Arabia.


I wonder how are you are doing since your last visit three months back...Question
I hope you are OK...



Edited by Sign*Reader - 31 August 2009 at 4:34pm
Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Quote Full of Hopes Replybullet Posted: 01 September 2009 at 9:33pm

  May Allah bless you ad reward you brother.

  And we all need to pray to Allah to help Nabil, our brother in Islam.


Edited by Full of Hopes - 01 September 2009 at 9:34pm
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Quote Megatron Replybullet Posted: 03 September 2009 at 7:38am
I'm just saying that scientifically speaking you can't prove the existence of God. It's a question of faith.

I believe in God wholeheartedly...you can call my beliefs 'nonsense', but frankly I don't care what you think about my beliefs.  Saying that the sky is blue and the birds are flying in the air is proof that God exists is absurd.

I honestly believe it is ridiculous notions like that which drive rational people away from religion.  Believing in God is a question of faith.

Besides, the poster asked an interesting question and instead of giving him an answer, most of the posts spewed the same rhetoric which didn't really answer his question in the first place. Also, instead of answering his questions most of you took the opportunity to berate my ideas.  Excellent work!!!

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Quote Moses Replybullet Posted: 03 September 2009 at 8:33am
Originally posted by Megatron

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If you're questioning the existence of God then that is a different matter.  What proves the existence of God?  Absolutely nothing.
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  There is nothing on this earth or this universe that proves that God exists.  It is something that you can only believe in your heart.  Nobody can ever help you prove that God exists except yourself.  That is something you'll have to figure out yourself.

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No!! This is not truth! God will reveal himself for everybody who asks.

it’s not you that can believe, this is God who can create a believer heart in you. Only ask him, not human

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Quote Full of Hopes Replybullet Posted: 03 September 2009 at 11:24am
 
   Asslamu Alaikum Borther: Megatron,

 I am sorry. I didn't mean any harm. Forgive me  if I did without my intention.

 Please reason, I am not against you at all. You are my brother in Islam. I am completely against the idea that says: No proofs of Allah, and I won''t change my opinion till I die inshallah.

  Allah is scientifically, technically and whatever!!! PROVED.  Ask or read the books of the scientist who converted to Islam after finding those proofs in Qura'an and Sunna. So many proofs of Allah from the modern science. Some websites are set just for this purpose.

   Any Muslim hear a person say Allah is not proved without knowing what you mean can't just pass it and keep silent. This is a test for our faith in Allah. And Muslims will reply no matter who is writer, you or someone else.
 
  It is the idea not you brother..

 I care for your faith to be built on the strong bases. And I won't add more about this issue any more. I have discussed it enough.

  Brother Moses shows the greatest voice of wisdom.
  Allah is the only ONE who can change that idea in your mind and guide you to the scientifical and technical proofs of His existence.
    I think of you as my brother in Islam.

 And this ,as I am sure, is the idea of all members who replied to you discussing your ideas. No one of them was against the brother Megatron himself.

   Remember we are never against you .. we are against  Shaytan (the Satan)  that confuses people and shows them the wrong as correct.
  And again forgive me brother if I cause any  harm without my intention to do.
  May Allah bless  you and raise your rank.



 


Edited by Full of Hopes - 05 September 2009 at 10:25am
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