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Quote abujamal Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2005 at 9:42am

Firstly, the evidences presented above is the classical uderstanding of Jihad.

Originally posted by b95000

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So let's look at this quote you gave Abujamal:

[quote=abujamal]Fight those who do not believe in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the deen of truth among the People of the Book until they pay the jizyah from their hands while they are humiliated [TMQ 9:29].



At the very least this would forbid the so called 'jihadists' from fighting other Muslim believers and other monotheists, other People of the Book.  Now, we're into this, because the US and Israel and Europe, still, are full of People of the Book and monotheists. 

Secondly, that is not my quote, but a verse from the Quran. And ifwe turn to the classical scholars for their commentary on this verse such as the mufassir ibn Kathir, this is what you will find:

The Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the Jizyah

Allah said,

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(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.) Therefore, when People of the Scriptures disbelieved in Muhammad , they had no beneficial faith in any Messenger or what the Messengers brought. Rather, they followed their religions because this conformed with their ideas, lusts and the ways of their forefathers, not because they are Allah's Law and religion. Had they been true believers in their religions, that faith would have directed them to believe in Muhammad , because all Prophets gave the good news of Muhammad's advent and commanded them to obey and follow him. Yet when he was sent, they disbelieved in him, even though he is the mightiest of all Messengers. Therefore, they do not follow the religion of earlier Prophets because these religions came from Allah, but because these suit their desires and lusts. Therefore, their claimed faith in an earlier Prophet will not benefit them because they disbelieved in the master, the mightiest, the last and most perfect of all Prophets . Hence Allah's statement,

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(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture,) This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah's religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims' control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination. The Messenger sent his intent to various Arab areas around Al-Madinah to gather forces, and he collected an army of thirty thousand. Some people from Al-Madinah and some hypocrites, in and around it, lagged behind, for that year was a year of drought and intense heat. The Messenger of Allah marched, heading towards Ash-Sham to fight the Romans until he reached Tabuk, where he set camp for about twenty days next to its water resources. He then prayed to Allah for a decision and went back to Al-Madinah because it was a hard year and the people were weak, as we will mention, Allah willing.

Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace

Allah said,

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(until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam,

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(with willing submission), in defeat and subservience,

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(and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said,

(Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, "I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur'an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'''

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Quote abujamal Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2005 at 9:44am
doesnt support arabic text by the looks of it
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Quote jibreel Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2005 at 12:32am
Hebrew for the Torah.,
Greek for the Gospels,
Arabic for the Qur'an.


the text above is a peace treaty....

Allah commands to fight only in the way of allah, no one has the rights to
fight for there own interests., this is only in the way of allah, for peace,
islam.

Anyone who disputes with this is defending there worship for other false
Gods,(money, women) whatever they cherish as they should cherish allah
there creator who sustains and gives them eyes to see and ears to hear
and a heart to understand with a brain to think.

so its obvious who is fighting blindly when they have no way of seen or
hearing, understanding or sense for others.


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Quote abujamal Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2005 at 4:05am

Originally posted by jibreel



the text above is a peace treaty....

English is obviously not your first language.

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2005 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by jibreel

this commandment [jihad] was abused by corrupted by biblical scribes


"abused by corrupted by"

And apparently by present day terrorists and murderers that plague Islam at the moment as well...You do not see Christians advocating 'jihad' or some version of it, these days, to 'spread the faith.'  Some radical, Islamic perverting terrorists (too many really - too high a percent to be settled about) are doing such today - supposedly, or ostensibly to 'spread Islam.'

All reasonable people know that this is not 'spreading Islam' but hurting Islam.  And Islam as a great faith must (continue to) respond..
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Quote firewall Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2005 at 5:48pm


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Quote jibreel Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2005 at 11:45pm
peace treaty to live under the freedom of your own faith in one same God

or do some have other Gods they prefer?

--> We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set
against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and
protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit
against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken
and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of
defiance and rebellion.'''

the attacks on Islam and anyone for there faith is only a unjustifiable
attack by
hypocrites and polytheists.

why would people attack muslims or anyone for there faith and what did
you expect them to do, stand by and commit suicide?

live by the gun, die by the gun
live by the bomb, die by the bomb

islam will only defend itself and smack back the same ways the enemies
of God did to there innocent, and un like the jews, they will not kill 1000
non jews for a single life of one Jew, Islam rejects such racism.

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2005 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by firewall

i've read that when fighters actually say they fight bcoz of the wars, ppl just don't believe it. the media seems to be in delusion, they still want to think it's all bcoz of Islam.

& thus when people who don't even know Islam read about the media smearing Islam, they just think, well... it's all bcoz of Islam. & then, the false ideas about Islam are spreaded. & we muslims are looked with a negative light.


When your faith is attacked or smeared, you need to put up a vigorous, Godly defense...that's what I'm suggesting...do not allow the extremists to use and manipulate what Islam is/is supposed to be...

I agree the secular media smears pious, God fearing, peaceful, industrious and creative people of faith - and that must not rest unopposed any more than the extremists must not rest unopposed..!
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