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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2005 at 3:56pm

You have again gone off the rails, though my point was dead simple. Do you have problem reading English or you run away only when a point exposes some US misdeeds.

I paste it here for you to read:

Those statistics and the hatred of the Iraqis have gone worse.

If you wish to contest it, please, support your claim with fresh evidence.

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 01 August 2005 at 6:13pm
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You have again gone off the rails, though my point was dead simple. Do you have problem reading English or you run away only when a point exposes some US misdeeds.

B: For you to contend simplicity amidst the complexity of the ME is indeed simplisitic, our dear Sasha.  Such cannot be done, despite your protestations.

I paste it here for you to read:

Those statistics and the hatred of the Iraqis have gone worse.

If you wish to contest it, please, support your claim with fresh evidence.

B: My point is the same as it was on July 26th which is, "who and what is the cause of this violence?"  I've run no where Sasha, run from nothing, run from no point of yours.  The question is, where are you going?  Do you know?

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Quote jibreel Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2005 at 12:45pm
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My point is the same as it was on July 26th which is, who
and what is the cause of this violence?"


But you already shared your opinion about who and what is the cause for all
this violence, didn't you claim it is a defected genes here in the forums?

How can we discuss current events with you if you have allready made up
your mind about people this way?

Can you share with us what you meant by that or where you joking?

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2005 at 3:36pm
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Originally posted by b95000

My point is the same as it was on July 26th which is, who
and what is the cause of this violence?" 


But you already shared your opinion about who and what is the cause for all
this violence, didn't you claim it is a defected genes here in the forums?

How can we discuss current events with you if you have allready made up
your mind about people this way?

Can you share with us what you meant by that or where you joking?


What?  Since when did I ever make any point, remotely close to what you're imputing to me?  No, I'm asking the question - who and what is the cause of our scourge of intentional violence and killing of innocent civilians around the world?  It cannot be Iraq nor Afghanistan, because many of these events pre-dated both of those actions...

No, the who and what is something else...it is a scourge in the side of Islam itself...and Islam is just starting to take public steps to deal with it.  Now actions must follow the fatwas in North America and the Sunni fatwa in Great Britain.

And actions among the Christians and Jews (et al) to embrace faithful Muslims in this cause must also happen.  None of this will be easy or familiar for any of us..


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Quote jibreel Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2005 at 4:13pm
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No, I'm asking the question - who and what is the
cause of our scourge of intentional violence and killing of innocent
civilians around the world? It cannot be Iraq nor Afghanistan, because
many of these events pre-dated both of those actions...


U.S.A and ISRAEL has been the cause of all the violence around the world,

Israel had agreed not to take other land then the amount when there
Zionists state was set up with the U.K. just after WW2, and since then they
have broken all there agreements and have carried out crimes against
humanity, babies dropped out windows to breaking Palestinians elbows
all caught on camera shows how religiously fanatical they are about
taking Zion.

Israel is the only Western country in the middle east today and the U.S. is
there big brother.

The U.S.A. has been supporting Israel in there own interests to get into
the middle east for years since the Ayatollah khomeini tried kicking out
anyone willing to help the U.S start business in those regions for oil,
Then., Reagan gave Sadam Hussein weapons to attack Iran, all backed up
by the CIA who his Vice President Bush ran in the background still, who
later also uses a BLAME GAME to frame SADAM 2 times with his son been
the last one we all witnessed which finaly penetrated one of the best oil
reserves in the world.

Is this what you call a demacracy?

Originally posted by b95000

No, the who and what is something else...it is a
scourge in the side of Islam itself...and Islam is just starting to take public
steps to deal with it. Now actions must follow the fatwas in North
America and the Sunni fatwa in Great Britain.

Fatwas are like warrants against people who committed crimes against
humanity or blasphemies against ALLAH, if anyone declares that they are
greater then ALLAH and start going around killing everyone he is really a
tyrant.

Jesus passed a Fatwa and expressed a "Jihaad" (PBUH). "I say to you that
to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not
have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies
who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in
my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).


And a Fatwa is unlike warrants in other countries which police capture the
perpetrator and torture him until the electric chair, or take money for the
crimes cost and let him go., you have to be realy busted for a seriously
evil thing to have a fatwa against you.

Originally posted by b95000

And actions among the Christians and Jews (et al) to
embrace faithful Muslims in this cause must also happen. None of this
will be easy or familiar for any of us..
Muslims already Embraced ALLAH and respect Jews and
Christians who do too., especially those who keet there religion and
helped the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) remove pagans from around the
Ka'baa which is a place of prayer Abraham (PBUH) who all 3 religions
reconize as the father of there faiths, anyone who is against this is not a
jew or christian at all, but a liar , especially who says islam spread with by
the sword, when there is no evidence of this.

And if a Jew claims he knew better then Mohammed (PBUH) then why did
these particular jews not remove the adulterers themselves from the
Ka'Baa?

Maybe you have not met any real Jews or Christians who practice there
faith like we do, and who respect islam for there peaceful contributions
and protections of Believers in other Abrahamic (PBUH) faiths for
centuries until Crusades showed up and ethnically cleansed Jews or
Christians while claiming to defeat Islam in spain.

And what kind of war was that about, religion or racism?

John 4
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth.
[25] The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is
called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
[26] Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

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[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say:
The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they
imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy
them; how they are turned away!
[9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords
besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were
enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far
from His glory be what they set up (with Him).


Peace

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2005 at 4:19pm
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U.S.A and ISRAEL has been the cause of all the violence around the world,


That is ludicrous and you know it...you're only going to get Sasha to bite on that lure...

Jibreel, what do you think about the nature of people (nature of mankind?)  I say we're all fighting part of us that is evil/selfish/greedy by nature.  If you disagree and somehow think only Americans and Israelis suffer from this malady, then I feel sorry for you - as you labor under a grand illusion about yourself...
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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2005 at 4:28pm
Some Zionists have been extreme and some have committed murder.  Civilized people oppose murderers through the rule of law and not through vigilante justice..you cannot condemn all of Israel because of the actions of a few extremists...the same is true for Islam, etc.

As to your quote from Luke - that was a parable that Jesus was telling - he was not speaking about Himself!  Please read the context of that passage..

Originally posted by jibreel


Maybe you have not met any real Jews or Christians who practice there
faith like we do, and who respect islam for there peaceful contributions
and protections of Believers in other Abrahamic (PBUH) faiths...

B: Of course, I know true believers in all three Faiths..





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Quote jibreel Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2005 at 4:34pm
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Originally posted by jibreel

U.S.A and ISRAEL has been the cause of all the violence
around the world,


That is ludicrous and you know it...you're only going to get Sasha to bite
on that lure...

Jibreel, what do you think about the nature of people (nature of
mankind?) I say we're all fighting part of us that is
evil/selfish/greedy by nature. If you disagree and somehow think
only Americans and Israelis suffer from this malady, then I feel sorry
for you - as you labor under a grand illusion about yourself...

I do not agree that all Israelis and all americans are the same, i believe
that individuals who cowardly give up themselves to submit to
evil temptations become evil, do you agree?

Every person is responsible for there very own actions.

if you do, then submit to ALLAH, even if you are a Jew or Christian, DO
WHAT YOUR RELIGION ASKS YOU TO DO AND MOVE ON.

Peace is what comes from your ways of life, not what a country promises
and which changes all the time from one leader to the next perverted.,
rarely will you find a honest King these days who has not been
assassinated some say.

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