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Quote rocitreal Replybullet Posted: 20 July 2005 at 12:33pm

Why would Iraqi's go to risk there lives to vote in record numbers if they didnt believe there votes were worth anything ? 

is it completely un imaginable that a country known to have tried to develope WMD had them ? is it at all possible that they were there at some point ?

America did help arm the defenders of Afganistan from the USSR, would you have rather the USSR occupy the country ?

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 20 July 2005 at 1:07pm

Yaar, why should it be one occupying if not the other? The deal the US and the Soviets made was anti Afghan in essence, just a recipe of civil war.

The Iraqis were promised by the political parties that this election will bring the end of occupation closer. They lined up for that.

Do you know of any people who like to be occupied?

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Quote rocitreal Replybullet Posted: 20 July 2005 at 4:23pm

The US was only involved AFTER the USSR started the war.  We never sent troops to fight, only money and weapons for the fighters defending Afganistan.

US didnt start that war nor the current war in Afganistan.

It is true that by setting up an elected Iraqi Government and Constitution it is obviously transfering power from the allied forces to the Iraqi's.

Do you know how many parents like islamic terrorists killing there children in the streets ?  Do you know how many Iraqi's want murderers driving around with car bombs to blow up there streets and infrustructure

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 21 July 2005 at 4:50pm
I agree with you they don't like being killed, but they also do not like being occupied at all.
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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 21 July 2005 at 5:25pm
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The deal the US and the Soviets made was anti Afghan in essence, just a recipe of civil war.

B: You're suggesting some ad hoc deal with the Soviets or just what happened by default?

The Iraqis were promised by the political parties that this election will bring the end of occupation closer. They lined up for that.

Do you know of any people who like to be occupied?

B: Sasha, will you acknowledge that there has been a turnover of the keys of government, power and wealth to an elected Iraqi government, that the Iraqi economy grew by 52% in 2004 according to an extensive IMF study and is growing at another staggering 40% in 2005..?  How are any of these things consistent with any sort of definition of occupation?

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 21 July 2005 at 5:26pm
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I agree with you they don't like being killed, but they also do not like being occupied at all.


If troops are in a country at the request of a popularly elected government - how is this considered (by Sasha) an occupation?


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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 7:59am

B: You're suggesting some ad hoc deal with the Soviets or just what happened by default?
I don't believe in "suggesting" things. In Vienna Conference (1989) the US and the USSR agreed to "keep supplying their respective clients with arms".

B: Sasha, will you acknowledge that there has been a turnover of the keys of government, power and wealth to an elected Iraqi government, that the Iraqi economy grew by 52% in 2004 according to an extensive IMF study and is growing at another staggering 40% in 2005..?  How are any of these things consistent with any sort of definition of occupation?

Bruce, would you like to genuinely discuss this as a human being or are you just keen of spreading the Neo-Con gospel?

If you are genuinely keen on knowing what's going on in Iraq, you would know the simple fact of life that the man with a gun always holds the ultimate power never mind who we may trust with a few keys.

Economy is the last point on an average Iraqis agenda. First is running water. The second, electricity supply. And the third is "good bye" of the occupation troops.

You wish to talk about economy. Would you please answer just these three questions simply - without typing in some doctorate worthy thesis:

1. Has Iraq suddenly gone into producing Boeing spare parts? Or, has some other locked up sector like tourism has added extra revenue streams to its economy

2. Is it possible that the sudden jump in crude prices reflects in these figures?

3. If such a jump in economy then why does it not reflect in the country's employment figures?

If troops are in a country at the request of a popularly elected government - how is this considered (by Sasha) an occupation?
Best ask those 71% Iraqis who consider they are occupied. Plus, we will share a little secret. Any Indian will tell you that one of my ancestors was in the habit of "being invited" to sort out the Punjaub at the request of one "head" of the area or the other. We all know about such arrangements in the world of real politique.

Let's be a little humane and not belittle people who are already ill with so many Sharon supporters on their soil. Not my opinion. That's how the Arab Street views the US army.

This government is elected only for drafting a constitution. Lets be friends and not kid each other or take the rest of the world to be some fools. Are you really not interested in what's happening in the real world?



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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2005 at 2:14pm
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Best ask those 71% Iraqis who consider they are occupied.


I'm interested in this stat if you can source it...thanks...
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