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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 18 July 2005 at 4:03pm
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And, would we take you seriously without your Real name on your profile??


Is "Whisper" your real name?  Please....
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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 18 July 2005 at 4:13pm
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When any people are attacked and occupied, with bogus reason and sheer criminal intent it's not just Jihaad but also the simplest most basic right of those people to fight and despatch the invaders - with whatever means at their disposal.

Does that make any sense or we should not fight for our freedoms if it's the Americans at the other end?



"with bogus reason and sheer criminal intent."

Have the MNF handed over Afghanistan to Afghanis - YES. 
Have the MNF handed over Iraq to Iraqis - YES. 

Seems like what's bogus here Whisper is your reasoning on the matter..sure question the Americans, the MNF, the UN - but question and oppose with 'whatever means' necessary "Islamic leaders" also that are not doing what Islam demands - if Islam is truly a religion of peace..to not do so is hypocrisy.
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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2005 at 7:28pm

For heaven's sake don't just lose whatever little goodwill you may be left here with us for the sheer sake of smartness. You well know that when you click on my profile you find my real name there!

Have you ever been anywhere near Afghanistan? It's one country you can't bullsh*t me about. Come on tell us what has been handed over there? And, to whom?

You must think we are really a bit thick here in this forum? And, we would believe anything just because it's said by an American? My friend those days are long lost when people used to respect the American word like that.

Let's climb down to the reality land and talk a bit just at man to man level. 

Do you or don't you understand that we are NOT comparing Muslim leaders with anyone here. Have I ever said that these Muslims re any better than your ratched lot? Just even once? You are getting into that comparison. Not me.

We are simply discussing US occupations, here, right now. It's sad, but I will have to ask you do you know what occupation means? I mean in the normal ordinary terms. In some dictionary. Not in Dick Chenny's head.

Even the US intellectuals, those people who happen to have a wee more than just the two brain cells to rub together, do understand what the US is doing to the world. If you don't understand what's happening in the world and to your country's image, please, go and bark at your Vice President's door, not at ours.

He promised you some rose garden. We did not.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2005 at 7:32pm

"with bogus reason and sheer criminal intent."
Sorry, I forgot to add a few words. "With dodgy bogus reasons, lies and utter cowboy style criminal intent and purpose"

Happy now? And, as shameless as an American?

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Quote rocitreal Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2005 at 9:04pm
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Saddam never claimed to be a Muslim.

ya, he even had a tatoo on his arm, by Islamic law he should have his arm cut off shouldnt he.  Great laws demand respect even if they are barbaric.

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Quote rocitreal Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2005 at 9:16pm
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We are simply discussing US occupations, here, right now. It's sad, but I will have to ask you do you know what occupation means?

 

oc·cu·pa·tion   Audio pronunciation of "occupation" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ky-pshn)
n.
    1. An activity that serves as one's regular source of livelihood; a vocation.
    2. An activity engaged in especially as a means of passing time; an avocation.
    1. The act or process of holding or possessing a place.
    2. The state of being held or possessed.
    1. Invasion, conquest, and control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces.
    2. The military government exercising control over an occupied nation or territory.

Is the US really excercising control ??? i think the elected Iraqi Government is.  Conquest, thats a key word meaning "The act or process of conquering".

I wouldnt say the US has conquered Iraq anymore than Saddam conquered Iraq when he made his way to power.

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Quote rocitreal Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2005 at 9:20pm

To say the US was occupying Iraq, i can agree with but sence elections we are no longer in power, the Iraqi elected government is.  There would not be nearly as much of a US presence in Iraq if the security of the country was stable.  To many people want Iraq to be in civil war which is exactly what would happen if the US simply left the country at this point.

Its easy to point fingers at this point and say get out but if the US and UK did the place would be over ran with Insergent Islamic Extremest which would make there way to power similarly to how the Taliban did, by barbary in the midst of civil war.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 20 July 2005 at 1:51am

Rocitreal, my above post was for some cocky and slippery poster. I am glad you joined in with this string, you seem to be a genuine person.

You will agree with me that power always lies with the man with the gun. Election have made no difference to holds the actual power strings. Does it not matter at all if the Iraqis don't feel? The elections may be a good thing but just for the home market in the US. Other than that you will find that the "handover" drama and the "civil war will happen if we leave" songs are both far bigger fictions than even the WMDs.

The Afghan civil war was a product of the Vienna Conference when the Soviet Union and the US agreed to keep supplying arms to their respective clients in Afghanistan - a direct result of their interference in my country.

We need to look at global things away from just being an American.



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