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Posted: 28 April 2009 at 8:46pm

Islam in fact supports class divides while stressing justice and equal rights for every body. But according to Islam you have to accept your circumstances and struggle for the survival.
It's outrageous to claim that Islam supports class divides. Class divides, especially those that exist in Indian Sub-continent, are hereditary and oppressive, and not based on merit. Class divide in Pakistan is derived from caste system that was prevalent in the pre-islamic past of Pakistan.

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Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:55am

Class divide in terms of social-economic and not Indian caste system, where you have social and economic restrictions based upon birth. In other words, Islam would not support the “Robin Hood” rob from the rich to give to poor, as there is nothing wrong with being rich.

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Posted: 29 April 2009 at 11:11am

But the class divide in Pakistan is akin to caste system practiced in India.
Fyi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage_in_Pakistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism_in_Pakistan

Edited by candid_new - 29 April 2009 at 12:02pm

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Posted: 29 April 2009 at 11:28am

Taliban and any groups that resemble them are a black stain on all Muslims.

Ends do not justify the means.

Islam does not mean cruel, backwards or murderous.

Might does not make right.

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Posted: 29 April 2009 at 12:03pm

The insurgents are selfless, honorable and gallant defenders of Islam.

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Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:30pm

Originally posted by aka2x2

Taliban and any groups that resemble them are a black stain on all Muslims.

What would say about the adversaries?

And where were the Muslims when their homeland got bombed and countless got killed by Bush under what rules? And Now BHO is no different....A related article below!

The Bolter: Specter Spectacle Hides Deadly New Folly in Terror War

Ends do not justify the means.

Will you justify means like drone attacks and carpet bombing by the combined forces of the western world? IT has been seven years a longest America war and there is no end in sight.....We will see when the end comes LOL

Islam does not mean cruel, backwards or murderous.

This is a meaningless statement ...The universal rules... once war is imposed on ... have all options under the circumstances to survive and fight back...

Might does not make right.

Who has the might here? Need elaboration!

Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.

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Posted: 30 April 2009 at 7:14am

Signreader- Obama was all about change but if the violence in Iraq doesn't stop, will he continue the pullout of troups?

candid - Islam does have a "caste system"- different treatment for different groups of people, Muslim, Christian, Jew, pagan, atheist, etc.

No death penalty for killing a non-Muslim is not equal treatment.

With the taliban there are 2 classes- men and women

No school for women and complete covering. Is there complete covering for men? No school for men?

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 30 April 2009 at 7:17am

I agree completely with "Ends do not justify the means". I am so glad Obama condemned the torture of prisoners.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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candid_new Groupie Joined: 11 April 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 88	Posted: 28 April 2009 at 8:46pm
	Islam in fact supports class divides while stressing justice and equal rights for every body. But according to Islam you have to accept your circumstances and struggle for the survival. It's outrageous to claim that Islam supports class divides. Class divides, especially those that exist in Indian Sub-continent, are hereditary and oppressive, and not based on merit. Class divide in Pakistan is derived from caste system that was prevalent in the pre-islamic past of Pakistan. Edited by candid_new - 28 April 2009 at 9:04pm
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3993	Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:55am
	Class divide in terms of social-economic and not Indian caste system, where you have social and economic restrictions based upon birth. In other words, Islam would not support the “Robin Hood” rob from the rich to give to poor, as there is nothing wrong with being rich.
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candid_new Groupie Joined: 11 April 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 88	Posted: 29 April 2009 at 11:11am
	But the class divide in Pakistan is akin to caste system practiced in India. Fyi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage_in_Pakistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism_in_Pakistan Edited by candid_new - 29 April 2009 at 12:02pm
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aka2x2 Senior Member Joined: 12 September 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 398	Posted: 29 April 2009 at 11:28am
	Taliban and any groups that resemble them are a black stain on all Muslims. Ends do not justify the means. Islam does not mean cruel, backwards or murderous. Might does not make right.
	Respectfully aka2x2
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candid_new Groupie Joined: 11 April 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 88	Posted: 29 April 2009 at 12:03pm
	The insurgents are selfless, honorable and gallant defenders of Islam.
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:30pm
	*Originally posted by aka2x2* Taliban and any groups that resemble them are a black stain on all Muslims. What would say about the adversaries? And where were the Muslims when their homeland got bombed and countless got killed by Bush under what rules? And Now BHO is no different....A related article below! The Bolter: Specter Spectacle Hides Deadly New Folly in Terror War Ends do not justify the means. Will you justify means like drone attacks and carpet bombing by the combined forces of the western world? IT has been seven years a longest America war and there is no end in sight.....We will see when the end comes LOL Islam does not mean cruel, backwards or murderous. This is a meaningless statement ...The universal rules... once war is imposed on ... have all options under the circumstances to survive and fight back... Might does not make right. Who has the might here? Need elaboration!
	Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 30 April 2009 at 7:14am
	Signreader- Obama was all about change but if the violence in Iraq doesn't stop, will he continue the pullout of troups? candid - Islam does have a "caste system"- different treatment for different groups of people, Muslim, Christian, Jew, pagan, atheist, etc. No death penalty for killing a non-Muslim is not equal treatment. With the taliban there are 2 classes- men and women No school for women and complete covering. Is there complete covering for men? No school for men?
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 30 April 2009 at 7:17am
	I agree completely with "Ends do not justify the means". I am so glad Obama condemned the torture of prisoners.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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