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Quote Nur_Ilahi Replybullet Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:54am
If some people still do not believe that pork is indeed unhealthy for human consumption, I hope the latest virus will prove them wrong.
 
      SWINE FLU!  Pig
 
If only it affects those people who consumed it, its okay, but it is also affecting people like us Muslims.
 
This is the result of not following God's commands. God's rules and commandments are a sign of His Love, His Mercy towards us His servants. If we disobey, we are not only being sinful, but we are also doing something against nature. If we obey, the benefits will return back to us.
 
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Quote Salome Replybullet Posted: 28 April 2009 at 4:13pm
   Well then after reading this :
Different types of farm animals can carry different diseases. For example, cows and calves can carry the bacterium Escherichia coli O157:H7, often called E. coli (ee COH-lie). This germ can cause bloody diarrhea in people. In addition children can develop kidney failure due to E. coli 0157:H7 infection. Pigs can carry the bacterium Yersinia enterocolitica (yer-SIN-ee-ah en-TER-o-koh-LIH-tee-kuh), which causes the disease yersiniosis (yer-SIN-ee-OH-sis). Chickens can carry bacteria such as Salmonella, (sal –mon – Nell – ah) which causes the disease salmonellosis. Many of these germs are in farm animal manure.

   We should all be vegetarian or Vegan



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Quote semar Replybullet Posted: 29 April 2009 at 12:48am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

If some people still do not believe that pork is indeed unhealthy for human consumption, I hope the latest virus will prove them wrong.
 
      SWINE FLU!  Pig
 
 
If this is why pork is haram. How about bird flue, that came earlier and killed a lot of people too. So chicken should be haram too.
 
To me haram or halal is Allah's command, we should obey it based on this,  not based on their by products. Of course I believe there is wisdom behind it, however we should not juimp to a conlusion very quick from a certain event. When I was little my teacher told me that we can not eat pork because pigs had "tape worms", on that time tape worms were very dangerous creatures, but now days tape worms are "dissapear" from pigs.


Edited by semar - 29 April 2009 at 11:24am
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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:11am
Originally posted by Salome

   Well then after reading this :
Different types of farm animals can carry different diseases. For example, cows and calves can carry the bacterium Escherichia coli O157:H7, often called E. coli (ee COH-lie). This germ can cause bloody diarrhea in people. In addition children can develop kidney failure due to E. coli 0157:H7 infection. Pigs can carry the bacterium Yersinia enterocolitica (yer-SIN-ee-ah en-TER-o-koh-LIH-tee-kuh), which causes the disease yersiniosis (yer-SIN-ee-OH-sis). Chickens can carry bacteria such as Salmonella, (sal –mon – Nell – ah) which causes the disease salmonellosis. Many of these germs are in farm animal manure.

   We should all be vegetarian or Vegan


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One can be completely vegan, or vegetarian - and still risk diseases. The recent peanut-salmonella scare? E.Coli in Spinach? Confused
 
We should never have deviated from natural/organic farming methods. . .
 
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Quote Chrysalis Replybullet Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:12am
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

If some people still do not believe that pork is indeed unhealthy for human consumption, I hope the latest virus will prove them wrong.
 
      SWINE FLU!  Pig
 
 
If this is why pork is haram. How about bird flue that came first and killed a lot of people too. So chicken should be haram too.
 
To me haram or halal is Allah's command, we should obey it based on that not based on by product. Of course I believe some wisdom behind it, however we should not to come with a conlusion very quick from a certain event. When I was little my teacher told me we can not eat pork because we pigs have "tape worm" that on that time was very dangerous creature, but now days tape worms are "dissapear" from pigs.
 
I agree with Semar.
 
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Quote Gibbs Replybullet Posted: 29 April 2009 at 9:47am

I disagree with some of the poster(s) for several reasons:

One poster said:
 
A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck. 
 
I highly doubt God prohibits his followers to not eat a specific animal because it lacks this particular feature in its anatomy.
 
 
Another poster said:
 
If some people still do not believe that pork is indeed unhealthy for human consumption, I hope the latest virus will prove them wrong.
 
Then also said:
 
If only it affects those people who consumed it, its okay, but it is also affecting people like us Muslims.
 
So obviously you cannot contract swine flu if you consume pork, therefore the above two remarks are wrong. Swine Influenza (swine flu) is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A influenza virus that regularly causes outbreaks of influenza in pigs (Center for Disease Control [CDC], 2009).
 
This is the result of not following God's commands.
 
This particular form of influenza has been around (and have been mutating) for quite some time.
 
 


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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 29 April 2009 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by Gibbs

I disagree with some of the poster(s) for several reasons:

One poster said:
 
A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck. 
 
I highly doubt God prohibits his followers to not eat a specific animal because it lacks this particular feature in its anatomy.
 
Hello Gibbs.
 
Welcome to IC,
 
You know this science behind slaughtering ?
 
 
 By this method of slaughtering , all the impurities are let out, while we cannot slaught a pig.
 
Another poster said:
 
If some people still do not believe that pork is indeed unhealthy for human consumption, I hope the latest virus will prove them wrong.
 
Then also said:
 
If only it affects those people who consumed it, its okay, but it is also affecting people like us Muslims.
 
So obviously you cannot contract swine flu if you consume pork, therefore the above two remarks are wrong. Swine Influenza (swine flu) is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A influenza virus that regularly causes outbreaks of influenza in pigs (Center for Disease Control [CDC], 2009).
 
This is the result of not following God's commands.
 
This particular form of influenza has been around (and have been mutating) for quite some time.
 
Am sure, this sister, would delete her post. Moreover, she was corrected by Semar.
 
 
 


Edited by seekshidayath - 29 April 2009 at 7:21pm
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Quote Nur_Ilahi Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2009 at 8:16am
Hi Gibbs,
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This is the result of not following God's commands.
 
This particular form of influenza has been around (and have been mutating) for quite some time.

Perhaps if this animal is not reared in full scale, there is a possibility that whatever viruses that are in them would not have spread so far and wide.

By the way, I read this interesting article about this latest pandemic. Noting that our world is led by evil conspirators, I have no reason not to believe this. Anyway it is up to individual opinion.

(NaturalNews) Perhaps due to the genetic makeup of the fast-spreading H1N1 strain of influenza -- which includes genetic elements from bird flu, swine flu and human flu spanning three continents -- there is considerable speculation that the origins of this virus are man-made.

It's not an unreasonable question to ask: Could world governments, spooked by the prospect of radical climate change caused by over-population of the planet, have assembled a super-secret task force to engineer and distribute a super virulent strain of influenza designed to "correct" the human population (and institute global Martial Law)?

Technically, it's possible. The U.S. military, all by itself, has the know-how to engineer and unleash such a virus. That doesn't mean they've done so, however. It would be an astonishing leap into crimes against humanity to intentionally unleash such a biological weapon into the wild.

Then again, governments of the world have routinely engaged in crimes against humanity, haven't they? The U.S., for example, dropped nuclear bombs on civilian populations in Japan. Israel rained white phosphorous on Palestinians, Hitler exterminated countless Jews, and Americans fired millions of rounds of depleted uranium rounds into targets in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unleashing a viral biological weapon in Mexico City is no great leap beyond what governments have already done to achieve their goals.

Throughout human history, virtually all the great crimes against humanity have been carried out by governments -- mostly in the name of peace, prosperity and security, by the way. So let's be clear about one thing: Governments are certainly capable of doing this if properly motivated. Let there be no question about that.

Is there any hard evidence of laboratory origins?

As of this moment, I have not personally seen any conclusive evidence of laboratory origins for this H1N1 swine flu. I am open to the possibility that new evidence may emerge in this direction, however, and I am suspicious of the genetic makeup of the virus as one possible indicator of its origins.

I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease, but I have studied microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics. What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media (which has no reason to lie about this particular detail), this strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:

• Human influenza
• Bird Flu from North America
• Swine flu from Europe
• Swine flu from Asia

This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs -- in Mexico! -- and spread it to others. (This isn't the only explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening).
http://www.naturalnews.com/026141.html

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