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ISAIAH 28
 JOUBERER, read about the “Mighty Strong One”:

 It is mentioned in the bible book of Isaiah 28: 14  Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. 
 God Almighty is talking about “scornful men,” that “rule the people” which in Jerusalem: The leaders who rule Jerusalem and not the Jews, he describe them as “scornful men” and this would be at the advent of Muhammad (S).
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  And the “word of the Lord” describes them Isaiah.28:15  “Because ye (scornful men that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we (scornful men) made LIES our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves.” 

  Christian’s commentators claimed that Jesus (S) fulfilled this prophesy which is not true. It is a split prophesies!
 Muhammad (S) was the Mighty Strong One, the Destroying Storm that mentioned in Isaiah 28:2 as you read on you will see: “Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty water overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.” (Isaiah.28:2)
 Water represents people: The water which thou sawest …are peoples, and multitude, and tongues. (Rev.17:15) 
 So God Almighty is saying, “He will send a Mighty Strong One as a destroying storm, with Mighty peoples, and multitude, and tongues.” 
Is it true that Jesus (S) came as a Mighty Strong one, as a tempest of hail a destroying storm with Mighty warriors? No! But Muhammad (S) did.
 The advent of Muhammad (S) mentioned in Revelation 6:1-2 and Habakkuk:
 Rev.6:1-2…when the lamb opened one of the seal…behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering and to conquer.
 HABAKKUK 3:3-16…when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops. 
  The Jews have erred: 
   Isaiah.28:7-9 But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast. 

The priest and prophet of the Jews it is referring to, is them that exist after the demise of Jesus (S), “they that are weaned from the milk are now drawn from the breast.” “Milk” is the wealth Allah (S) provided for them but now there are looking where they could get from and that is from the Beast (Rev.18). Who is the Beast? The devil!
 Isaiah.28:10-11 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lip another tongue will he speak to this people (the Jews). 
 Which prophet brought revelation to the Jews in “another tongue (language)?” None! Except Muhammad (S), he speak to the Jews in another language (Arabic), and he received revelation “precept by precept; line upon line; here a little and there a little.” Jesus (S) did not, in fact he speak to them in there own language be it Hebrew or Aramaic. 
Link: The Aramaic Language <http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html>

 13- But the word (revelation) of the Lord was unto them (Jews) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; might go, and fall backwards, and be broken, and snared and taken. (Isaiah.28:13) 
 14- Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which are in Jerusalem. 
 This verse God Almighty is talking about the “scornful men” that “rule the people” which is in Jerusalem. 
15-Because ye (scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we (scornful men) made LIES our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves. 

 Overflowing scourge:  When Muhammad (S) came with the scourge, he did not come from the Jews, he came from another nation with another tongue (language), because these “scornful men” that “rule the people” which is in Jerusalem, they made a covenant with death and agreement with hell, they lied and hide under falsehood. 
16- Therefore thus said the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: He that believeth shall not make hast. (Isaiah.28:16)
 Who is the corner stone? The Messiah Jesus (S) and the Jews rejected him. 
This is a split prophesy like the one that mentioned in Habakkuk 3:3-16: …And the Holy One from Mount Paran Se-lah His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise ...at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for SALVATION of thy people, even SALVATION for the "ANOINTED”… (Habk.3:11-13KJV)

 Anointed: Messiah Jesus (S), the second coming of Jesus (S) to establish what the Holy One from Mount Paran brought, "SALVATION!" 
The bible says, He [Jesus (S)] came unto his own (Jews) and his own received him not. (John.1:11)
So he told them (the Jews): “Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42)
  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)
  If you reject Jesus (S) you reject his message, and the stone “represent his message” and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (S) is not “marvelous in our eyes,” His message does! That stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation; and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail. 
  Matt.21:43 Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
  That nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham’s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham’s promise to bless Abraham’s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation:
  And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION. (Genesis 17:20 ) This prophesies was fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S)! According to Jesus (S), the precious corner stone that sure foundation will remove from Zion and given to another nation and that is the Ishmaelite, seed of Abraham (S). 
  It is mentioned in Genesis 49:10: “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.” 
 It is no doubt that when Muhammad (S) came, the scepter and the lawgiver was removed from Judah, the old law was replaced with new law. He is the Shi-loh and unto him the gathering of the people be (in Mecca).
  The new law was described in Isaiah as a new song: “Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth…” Isaiah.42:10  
  11-For with stammering lip and another tongue He will speak to this people . (Isaiah.28:11) 
With stammering lip and another language Muhammad (S) speak to the Jews.
  17- Judgments also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of LIES. And the water (people and multitude) shall overflow the hiding place. (Isaiah.28:17) 
 Did Jesus (S) bring Judgment? No! He said: “When he (The Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8) 
 (Iasiah.42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile. 
  When the universal Book come, then judgment will come. Rev.14:6-7 ...Fear God, give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come… 
Allah said: “…And He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).” (Q.3:4)
Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13:37)
 …Truth has now arrived, and falsehood perishes: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)
 But verily it (the Qur’an) is truth of assured certainty. (Q.69:51)
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 18- And your (The scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem) “covenant with death” shall be disannulled, and your “agreement with hell” shall not stand; When the overflowing scourge [Muhammad (S)] shall pass through, then ye (scornful men) shall be trodden down by it. (Isaiah.28:18-22) 
 19- From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night, and it shall be vexation (for ye scornful men) only to understand the report [when they knew the truth about Muhammad (S)]. (Isaiah.28:19)   
 21- From the Lord shall rise up in Mount Perazim (the same as Paran: Arabia), he may do his work; his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. (Isaiah.28:21)
 Abd-Allah ibn Mas ud said: “The Prophet (pbuh) said, ‘Islam begin as something strange, and it will revert to being strange as it was in the beginning, so good tiding for the stranger.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the strangers?’ He said: ‘The ones who break away from their people for the sake of Islam.’” This Hadith was narrated by Ibn Majah on authority of Anas and Abu Hurayrah. [Ibn Majah, kitab al-Fitan (Hadith 3988), 2/1320]
The warning: 22- Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your band be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth (universal message). (Isaiah.28:22)
  When they see thee, they treat thee no otherwise than in mockery: “Is this the one whom Allah has sent as a messenger?”…Soon will they know, when they see the penalty, who it is that is most misled in path! (Q.25:41-42)
 26- For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him. (Isaiah.28:26)
Allah (S) said: “Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled of (his own) desire. It is no les than inspiration sent down to him: He was taught by one Mighty in Power.” (Q.53:2-5)
  Those who fallow the Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) In the Taurat 9Torah) and the Injil (Gospel). (Q.7:157)
  No other Prophet came to the Jews as a mighty strong one, with a tempest of hail, and a destroying storm  except Muhammad  (S), He speak to them precept by precept, line upon line, here a little there a little in another language. His message is for the whole earth. God himself teach him. 
tnc

Edited by truthnowcome - 10 May 2009 at 10:31pm

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truthnowcome Senior Member Joined: 05 April 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 683	Posted: 10 May 2009 at 4:12am
	ISAIAH 28 JOUBERER, read about the “Mighty Strong One”: It is mentioned in the bible book of Isaiah 28: 14 Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. God Almighty is talking about “scornful men,” that “rule the people” which in Jerusalem: The leaders who rule Jerusalem and not the Jews, he describe them as “scornful men” and this would be at the advent of Muhammad (S). (Bracket added) And the “word of the Lord” describes them Isaiah.28:15 “Because ye (scornful men that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell* are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we* (scornful men) made LIES* our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves.”* Christian’s commentators claimed that Jesus (S) fulfilled this prophesy which is not true. It is a split prophesies! Muhammad (S) was the Mighty Strong One, the Destroying Storm that mentioned in Isaiah 28:2 as you read on you will see: “Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty water overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.” (Isaiah.28:2) Water represents people: The water which thou sawest …are peoples, and multitude, and tongues. (Rev.17:15) So God Almighty is saying, “He will send a Mighty Strong One as a destroying storm, with Mighty peoples, and multitude, and tongues.” Is it true that Jesus (S) came as a Mighty Strong one, as a tempest of hail a destroying storm with Mighty warriors? No! But Muhammad (S) did. The advent of Muhammad (S) mentioned in Revelation 6:1-2 and Habakkuk: Rev.6:1-2…when the lamb opened one of the seal…behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering and to conquer. HABAKKUK 3:3-16…when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops. The Jews have erred: Isaiah.28:7-9 But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast. The priest and prophet of the Jews it is referring to, is them that exist after the demise of Jesus (S), “they that are weaned from the milk are now drawn from the breast.” “Milk” is the wealth Allah (S) provided for them but now there are looking where they could get from and that is from the Beast (Rev.18). Who is the Beast? The devil! Isaiah.28:10-11 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lip another tongue* will he speak to this people* (the Jews). Which prophet brought revelation to the Jews in “another tongue (language)?” None! Except Muhammad (S), he speak to the Jews in another language (Arabic), and he received revelation “precept by precept; line upon line; here a little and there a little.” Jesus (S) did not, in fact he speak to them in there own language be it Hebrew or Aramaic. Link: The Aramaic Language <http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html> 13- But the word (revelation) of the Lord was unto them (Jews) *precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;* might go, and fall backwards, and be broken, and snared and taken. (Isaiah.28:13) 14- Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which are in Jerusalem. This verse God Almighty is talking about the “*scornful men”* that “rule the people”* which is in Jerusalem.* 15-Because ye (scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell are we at agreement;* When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we* (scornful men) made LIES* our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves.* Overflowing scourge: When Muhammad (S) came with the scourge, he did not come from the Jews, he came from another nation with another tongue (language), because these “scornful men” that “rule the people” which is in Jerusalem, they made a covenant with death and agreement with hell, they lied and hide under falsehood. 16- Therefore thus said the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: He that believeth shall not make hast. (Isaiah.28:16) Who is the corner stone? The Messiah Jesus (S) and the Jews rejected him. This is a split prophesy like the one that mentioned in Habakkuk 3:3-16: …And the Holy One from Mount Paran Se-lah His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise ...at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for SALVATION of thy people, even SALVATION for the "ANOINTED”… (Habk.3:11-13KJV) Anointed: Messiah Jesus (S), the second coming of Jesus (S) to establish what the Holy One from Mount Paran brought, "SALVATION!" The bible says, He [Jesus (S)] came unto his own (Jews) and his own received him not. (John.1:11) So he told them (the Jews): “Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44) If you reject Jesus (S) you reject his message, and the stone “represent his message” and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (S) is not “marvelous in our eyes,” His message does! That stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation; and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail. Matt.21:43 Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. That nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham’s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham’s promise to bless Abraham’s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation: And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION. (Genesis 17:20 ) This prophesies was fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S)! According to Jesus (S), the precious corner stone that sure foundation will remove from Zion and given to another nation and that is the Ishmaelite, seed of Abraham (S). It is mentioned in Genesis 49:10 : “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.” It is no doubt that when Muhammad (S) came, the scepter and the lawgiver was removed from Judah, the old law was replaced with new law. He is the Shi-loh and unto him the gathering of the people be (in Mecca). The new law was described in Isaiah as a new song: “Sing unto the Lord a new song* and his praise from the end of the earth…” Isaiah.42:10* *11-*For with stammering lip and another tongue He will speak to this people . (Isaiah.28:11) With stammering lip and another language Muhammad (S) speak to the Jews. 17- Judgments also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of LIES. And the water (people and multitude) shall overflow the hiding place. (Isaiah.28:17) Did Jesus (S) bring Judgment? No! He said: “When he (The Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8) (Iasiah.42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile. When the universal Book come, then judgment will come. Rev.14:6-7 ...Fear God, give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come… Allah said: “…And He sent down the Criterion (of judgment* between right and wrong).” (Q.3:4)* Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13:37) …Truth has now arrived, and falsehood perishes: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81) But verily it (the Qur’an) is truth of assured certainty. (Q.69:51) (Brackets added) 18- And your (The scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem) “covenant with death”* shall be disannulled, and your “agreement with hell” shall not stand; When the overflowing scourge* [Muhammad (S)] shall pass through, then ye (scornful men) shall be trodden down by it. (Isaiah.28:18-22) 19- From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night, and it shall be vexation (for ye scornful men) only to understand the report [when they knew the truth about Muhammad (S)]. (Isaiah.28:19) 21- From the Lord shall rise up in Mount Perazim (the same as Paran: Arabia), he may do his work; his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.* (Isaiah.28:21)* Abd-Allah ibn Mas ud said: “The Prophet (pbuh) said, ‘Islam begin as something strange, and it will revert to being strange as it was in the beginning, so good tiding for the stranger.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the strangers?’ He said: ‘The ones who break away from their people for the sake of Islam.’” This Hadith was narrated by Ibn Majah on authority of Anas and Abu Hurayrah. [Ibn Majah, kitab al-Fitan (Hadith 3988), 2/1320] The warning: 22- Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your band be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth (universal message). (Isaiah.28:22) When they see thee, they treat thee no otherwise than in mockery: “Is this the one whom Allah has sent as a messenger?”…Soon will they know, when they see the penalty, who it is that is most misled in path! (Q.25:41-42) 26- For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him. (Isaiah.28:26) Allah (S) said: “Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled of (his own) desire. It is no les than inspiration sent down to him: He was taught by one Mighty in Power.”* (Q.53:2-5)* Those who fallow the Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) In the Taurat 9Torah) and the Injil (Gospel). (Q.7:157) No other Prophet came to the Jews as a mighty strong one, with a tempest of hail, and a destroying storm except Muhammad (S), He speak to them precept by precept, line upon line, here a little there a little in another language. His message is for the whole earth. God himself teach him. tnc Edited by truthnowcome - 10 May 2009 at 10:31pm
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	*Originally posted by truthnowcome* *Originally posted by JOUBERAR* Please do not add extra words into the texts God is talking only to the Jews the descendants of Jakob and not Arabs or muslims . Isa 29:12 Others say, "We can't read it, because we don't know how to read." Isa 29:13 The Lord has said: "These people praise me with their words, but they never really think about me. They worship me by repeating rules made up by humans. Isa 29:14 So once again I will do things that shock and amaze them, and I will destroy the wisdom of those who claim to know and understand." Isa 29:15 You are in for trouble, if you try to hide your plans from the LORD! Or if you think what you do in the dark can't be seen. Isa 29:16 You have it all backwards. A clay dish doesn't say to the potter, "You didn't make me. You don't even know how." Isa 29:17 Soon the forest of Lebanon will become a field with crops, thick as a forest. Isa 29:18 The deaf will be able to hear whatever is read to them; the blind will be freed from a life of darkness. Isa 29:19 The poor and the needy will celebrate and shout because of the LORD, the holy God of Israel. Isa 29:20 All who are cruel and arrogant will be gone forever. Those who live by crime will disappear, Isa 29:21 together with everyone who tells lies in court and keeps innocent people from getting a fair trial. Isa 29:22 The LORD who rescued Abraham has this to say about Jacob's descendants: "They will no longer be ashamed and disgraced. Isa 29:23 When they see how great I have made their nation, they will praise and honor me, the holy God of Israel. Isa 29:24 Everyone who is confused will understand, and all who have complained will obey my teaching." JOUBERER, you are new kid on the block, you have no idea what you are up against! However, it is good that I have some one to engage me in discussion because most Christians stay silent when I’ve posted in the pass! The reasons I’ve add brackets in the text is to make it more clear and shorten my explanation. Now, let me see what you got! Who fulfilled this prophesy? And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED. Isaiah.29:11 *(KJV)* …And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. *(Greek:Isaiah.29:12* KJV) No Jews! Secondly, you miss the most important point. I’ll explain for you! That prophesy was never fulfilled and the Jews rejected the Messiah (S) see John 1:11*. Although they were chosen: “O Children of Israel! Call to mind the (special) favors which I bestowed upon you, and I preferred you to all others (of your time period, in the past). (Q.2:47)* Allah (S) took the Covenant from them: …in that they broke the Covenant; that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right…Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy…That they REJECTED FAITH.” (Q.4:155-156) The answer is in Verse 10, read: “For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets (of the Jew’s), and your rulers (of the Jew’s), the seers (of the Jew’s). hath he covered.” (Isaiah 29:10 KJV) God Almighty has poured a spirit of deep sleep and closed the eyes of the Prophets, the rulers and the seer of the Jew’s - Three categories of people. At that Junction Prophet Hood ended for the Jews. Same thing he said in Isaiah.28:2 when the “Mighty Strong One” will come: “But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.” Isaiah.28:7-9 Do you know who that “Mighty strong one” is? I’ll deal with that later! Read my friend, the real reason is in verse 13: Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as *this people* draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have remove their heart* far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men. (Isaiah.29:13) So:* “For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath *closed your eyes*: the *prophets* (of the Jew’s), and your *rulers* (of the Jew’s), the *seers* (of the Jew’s). hath he covered.” (Isaiah 29:10 KJV) And this book came after him, so it was given to the Comforter. Coming of that book the kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews: Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone* which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42) What Isaiah 29: 14* said? It said: “Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.” And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44) If you reject Jesus (S) you reject his message, and the stone “represent his message” and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (S) is not “marvelous in our eyes,” His message does, and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail. Jesus (S) said: Matt.21:43 “Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” That nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham’s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham’s promise to bless Abraham’s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation: “And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION.”* (Genesis 17:20). This prophesies fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It isn’t true Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes? Look at Mecca, the largest congregation on the face of the earth bringing people of all races and colour, the rich and the poor standing side by side shoulder to shoulder worshiping the one true God Allah (S)? In Isaiah 42:16 God Almighty says: “And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in the path that they have not known: I will make darkness light* before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them (Kedarites: Ishmaelite), and not forsake them.” God Almighty did not forget the Ishmaelite he brings them out of darkness into light, he lead them into a path they knew not with the advent of Muhammad (S). The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness sake; he will magnify the (new) law, and make it honorable. (Isaiah 42:21) Who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come? (Isaiah42:23) *Tnc* What seeds are the ismaelites or shall I say muslims bringing fourth kill the jew kill the christians take note God have spoken of the descendants of Jakob and not Ismael All muslims are not ishmaelites and all ishmaelites are not muslims go and do beter research Ishmael's mother was a egiptian slave of Abraham here are the covenants that God have made Abraham and Isaak. Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, "I am the Almighty GOD; walk before Me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly." 3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. God is telling Abram to be 'perfect'. This means 'having integrity', in other words, 'be mature, stand up like a man of God and be just'. This promise here in the 5th verse God is saying to Abram that he would be the father of 'many nations', not just Israel. This was true, as Ishmael was actually the firstborn of Abram, but not of Abraham and Sarah, which was to be the 'seed of the Promise'. Ishmael, the firstborn son of Abram and Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's maidservant, was blessed by God though, as He promised Ishmael would be 'a great nation' (Gen.17:20) Gen 17:19 And God said, "Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. The Second Promise To Abraham In Genesis 22, Abraham proves his 'faith' in God's Promises by obeying The LORD in His command to offer up his son Isaac upon the altar. God stopped Abraham, for it was a test of faith only as God does not approve of Molech worship (see Leviticus 18:21). For Abraham's obedience, God gave him another Promise: Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, 16 And said, "By Myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed My voice." After Abraham's wife Sarah died, he took another wife by the name of Keturah (Gen.25:1). He bare other sons, Medan and Midian which made up the lands of the Medes and Midianites (Gen.25:2). These were half-brothers with Ishmael (Arab peoples), but not the 'seed of Promise', which was and still is, Isaac. As can possibly be seen today, with the conflicts between the Arab peoples and the Nation state of Israel, since Ishmael was Abraham's 'firstborn', and the 'birthright' is to go to the 'firstborn' by Law, Ishmael feels cheated out of his birthright, and wishes to claim It. These are part of the reasons why the Palestinians have refused to declare Israel as a Nation, and are so vehemently opposed to Israelites, including Christians. It's an 'old wound' that will not be healed until Shiloh returns The Promise Continues in Jacob At Genesis 25:19, the 'seed of the Promise' continues, as Isaac's wife Rebekah, births twins Jacob and Esau the firstborn. Because of the struggle within Rebekah's womb she asks of God why: Gen 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, "Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger." These two children of Jacob (supplanter or contender), and Esau (hairy, rough) being the firstborn, represented 'two nations', Jacob becoming re-named 'Israel' and father of the twelve Patriarchs of Israel (God prevails), and Esau would become the nation 'Edom' meaning 'red' in the Hebrew (Gen.25:30). If you haven't read and understood how and why Esau, who was the firstborn of Isaac and Rebekah, lost his birthright to the younger Jacob, I suggest you cover it (see Gen.25-28). Esau despised his 'birthright' and sold it as 'wares' to Jacob, for a bowl of 'red pottage' beans. This is not the way to treat a heritage which Jehovah Almighty gives as a blessing. For this reason, the 'birthright' was to go to Jacob, Esau's younger brother. It took a little craftiness on the part of Rebekah and Jacob, but it was God's Plan. In Malachi 1:3, God stated that He 'loved Jacob', but 'hated Esau'. The word 'hate' is 'sane'' in the Hebrew meaning 'to hate (personally)' so it did not mean that God just preferred Jacob, no, God literally 'hated' Esau. Paul tells us more of the conditions for this in Romans 9: Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. We must'n make our own statements or own vision how the promise of God must have been or should have been then it should be better today or in future we can not and will not prescribe to what God must or should do He is God and let him be, if you want follow him you are only there to obey his orders and no strings attached. Edited by JOUBERAR - 10 May 2009 at 2:01pm
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JOUBERAR Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 573	Posted: 10 May 2009 at 1:58pm
	*Originally posted by truthnowcome* *Originally posted by JOUBERAR* OK what you asume is that muslims believe what was written in Revelations is true like you you want asume what was written about the so called Muhammad when did you or the muslims made such a wonderfull non corrupted discovery. 1-The revelation to the prophet Mohamed lasted 23 years and the revelation to Saint John was once and finished. 2.The revelation to the prophet Mohamed was from the God though the angel Gabriel (the Soul of Holiness) and the revelation to Saint John had an unknown source. 3.The revelation to Prophet Mohamed explains the logic behind the Oneness of God and the resurrection, the principles of the belief, the laws that regulate the life of a man and the society in Islam, the wisdom from the stories of previous prophets and the stubborn of their troops and the events of the day of resurrection. But the revelation to Saint John was describing a momentarily situation. 4.The revelation to the prophet Mohamed is the Proof of the truth of His mission due to its miraculous text but the revelation to Saint John is the last chapter of the Holy book and represents a point of confusion between the ChristianChurches. 5.The revelation to Prophet Mohamed offers the answers from the God to the aroused inquiries and problems faced by Prophet Mohamed but the revelation to Saint John represent a great inquiry in the Christian belief. 6.The revelation to the Prophet Mohamed is dedicated through a miraculous simple Arabic language but the revelation to Saint John is dedicated through a symbolic Greek language full of mistakes and illogical expressions. 7.The revelation to the Prophet Mohamed identifies the God’s principles governing the Muslim’s life before resurrection, i.e. the earth’s life, and after resurrection but the revelation to Saint John is non-distinguishable. In the Holy Quran, we may find the God’s throne is in a glorious scene, surrounded by Angels and described as follows: [39: 75] And thou wilt see the angels surrounding the Throne (Divine) on all sides, singing Glory and Praise to their Lord. The Decision between them (at Judgment) will be in (perfect) justice, and the call (on all sides) will be, "Praise is to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!" In the revelation of Saint John we may read such description as follows: 4:5 From the throne came out flashes of lightning and roaring and crashes of thunder. Seven flaming torches, which are the seven spirits of God, were burning in front of the throne 4:6 and in front of the throne was something like a sea of glass, like crystal. In the middle of the throne and around the throne were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 4:7The first living creature was like a lion, the second creature like an ox, the third creature had a face like a man’s, and the fourth creature looked like an eagle flying. 4:8 Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside. They never rest day or night, saying: “*Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God, the All-Powerful,* We may read also: 5:6 Then I saw standing in the middle of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the middle of the elders, a Lamb that appeared to have been killed. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 5:7 Then he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who seated on the throne, 5:8 and when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders threw themselves to the ground before the Lamb. Each of them had a harp and golden bowls full of incense (which are the prayers of the saints). Why is there such a big difference between the throne that Muhammad discribe and the throne that Saint John discribe of God. It is because the book of revelation is a “vision of prophesy” and the Quran is “reality in heaven!” tnc Quran reality in heaven bla bla dont make me laugh then look at your anti - christ and the so called al borak that Muhammad ascended in to his so called heaven in reality he wasn't even near Jerusalem at that time, he made up the story all by himself.
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truthnowcome Senior Member Joined: 05 April 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 683	Posted: 11 May 2009 at 12:02am
	JOUBERER, I did not finish with Isaiah 29, Let us go back to the beginning! Isaiah 29 ¹Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices. ²Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel. ³And I will *camp against* thee round about, and will *lay siege* against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee. God is pronouncing Judgment against the city of Jerusalem. There were two sets of people of whom Judgment will come upon. Let read: *V.4* And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech* shall be low out of* the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust. Who are these people? Verse 5 tells us who they are: 5Moreover the multitude of *thy strangers* shall be like *small dust*, and the multitude of the *terrible ones* shall be as *chaff that passeth away*: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly. It is all about multitude of thy stranger and the multitude of the terrible ones. V 2 mentioned: “Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.” Thy stranger will be unto God as Ariel! The multitude of stranger shall be like small dust but the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away. Who are the terrible ones? It is the leader of the Jews’! How de know that? Isaiah29:10 mentioned: “For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath *closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers** hath he covered”.* Prophet Hood ended at that Junction! Isaiah 28 gives you in full details of who they are: It is mentioned in Isaiah.28:2 when the “Mighty Strong One” will come: “But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.” Isaiah.28:7-9 They are the multitude of the terrible ones against multitude of thy stranger! This is how they were described in Isaiah 28: 14 : “Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.” God Almighty is talking about “scornful men,” that “rule the people” which in Jerusalem: The leaders who rule Jerusalem and not the Jews, he describe them as “scornful men” and this would be at the advent of Muhammad (S). And the “word of the Lord” describes them Isaiah.28:15 “Because ye (scornful men that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell* are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we* (scornful men) made LIES* our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves.”* They made a covenant with death, and hell when the Mighty Strong One [Muhammad (S)] will come. So, both prophesy tied into each other, Isaiah 28 and 29! Those judgments that mentioned in Isaiah 28:2-5 will occur at the beginning of the end of the prophet Hood of the Jews’ until the siege of the multitude of stranger, which is now; they terrible ones will be as “chaff that passeth away.” (Isaiah 29:5) Now, God Almighty gives the reason why has ended the Prophet Hood with the Jews: Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have remove their heart far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men. (Isaiah.29:13) Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a *marvelous work* among this people, even a *marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish*, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. (Isaiah29:14) Woe unto them (the leader of the Jews’) that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their work are in darkness, and they say, who Seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things up-side down shall be esteemed as the putter’s clay… (Isaiah29:15-16) Isaiah.28:15 “Because ye (scornful men that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell* are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we* (scornful men) made LIES* our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves.”* Jesus (S) told them in: Matt.21:43 “Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our *eyes.* (Matt.21:42) *And in that day* (when the book is reveled to the unlettered Prophet) shall the deaf hear* the* *word of the book, and the* *eyes* of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and they among men shall rejoice in the Holy one of Israel. (Isaiah.29:18-19) Compare closing of the eyes of the Jews Isaiah29:10 “For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath *closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers** hath he covered”.* *tnc*
	LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 13 May 2009 at 5:32pm
	TNC- as hard as you try and I know you want it so. Mohammad /Islam is not prophecised in the Bible. In fact the verse that makes Muslims think that Moahammad is in the Bible is actually about Jesus. 007.157YUSUFALI: "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel; This could only mean Jesus. All of the Holy Bible leads to Jesus- not Mohammad. - for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); Look at the Gospel stories about what Jesus said about the commandments and Laws. You could also add interpretion to this and say, Mohammad didn't command anything in the Gospel, he didn't utter a word, LOL! He wasn't even around at the time. He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. Jesus died on the cross for each of us. Mohammd hasn't done a darn thing for me- just cause Muslims to call me kuffir, infidel and curse at me!! This is something only GOD could do. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." Jesus is the way to GOD. Jesus said as much in the Gospel that your Quran confirms!
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 13 May 2009 at 6:08pm
	Jouberar, very intersting, through you we are making new discoveries in the Bible. The quotes you provide describing the throne seem to be more out of a halloween movie, cratures with many horns and eyes? and spirits of God burning? You quoted: "4:5 From the throne came out flashes of lightning and roaring and crashes of thunder. Seven flaming torches, which are the seven spirits of God, were burning in front of the throne 4:6 and in front of the throne was something like a sea of glass, like crystal." Even my 7 year old is smarter than that. She will just laugh, and I don't mean to be rude here but are you really serious to even think that this is how throne of God looks like, lightning, roaring of thunder and so on. You further quoted: "In the middle of the throne and around the throne were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 4:7The first living creature was like a lion, the second creature like an ox, the third creature had a face like a man’s, and the fourth creature looked like an eagle flying. 4:8 Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside. They never rest day or night, saying:" Take heed my friend, don't wait for the day when you would not be able to reverse things nor will be saved and will be accounted for every thing you say, and do. Follow the logic and truth, these are the only things that will not make you regret. By the way what are those seven spirits of God you mentioned? what are there names? and why are they burning? (may God forgive me for repeating that here what you worte) Hasan Edited by honeto - 13 May 2009 at 6:17pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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JOUBERAR Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 573	Posted: 13 May 2009 at 11:47pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* Jouberar, very intersting, through you we are making new discoveries in the Bible. The quotes you provide describing the throne seem to be more out of a halloween movie, cratures with many horns and eyes? and spirits of God burning? You quoted: "4:5 From the throne came out flashes of lightning and roaring and crashes of thunder. Seven flaming torches, which are the seven spirits of God, were burning in front of the throne 4:6 and in front of the throne was something like a sea of glass, like crystal." Even my 7 year old is smarter than that. She will just laugh, and I don't mean to be rude here but are you really serious to even think that this is how throne of God looks like, lightning, roaring of thunder and so on. You further quoted: "In the middle of the throne and around the throne were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 4:7The first living creature was like a lion, the second creature like an ox, the third creature had a face like a man’s, and the fourth creature looked like an eagle flying. 4:8 Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside. They never rest day or night, saying:" Take heed my friend, don't wait for the day when you would not be able to reverse things nor will be saved and will be accounted for every thing you say, and do. Follow the logic and truth, these are the only things that will not make you regret. By the way what are those seven spirits of God you mentioned? what are there names? and why are they burning? (may God forgive me for repeating that here what you worte) Hasan The Book of Revelation refers 4 times to the "seven spirits of God". Confusion has resulted from this phrase, leading some to conclude that God must not be a Trinity, because the Bible refers to God as having seven spirits. Others have simply thought that the "seven spirits of God" are seven angels, perhaps the seven angels to the seven churches outlined in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 Revelation 1:4-5 "Grace and Peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness..." Revelation 3:1 " To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead." Revelation 4:5 "From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God." Revelation 5:6 "Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Isaiah 11:2 and the Sevenfold Spirit: "And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD." Here the seven aspects of the Holy Spirit are defined: The first is who He is [The Spirit of the LORD], while aspects 2 - 7 are *what* He is. Ezekiel 1; the four creatures, and the Spirit: Ezekiel chapter 1 describes four creatures who go wherever the Spirit tells them to go [Ezekiel 1:12]. This begs comparison to Revelation 5:6 with the Spirit and the four living creatures. If you dont know what the seven spirits God are then you must asked Muhammad about the seven heavens and the Al boraq and the hen toed anti_christ that is full of hair riding on a mule.
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JOUBERAR Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 573	Posted: 14 May 2009 at 12:56am
	*Originally posted by truthnowcome* JOUBERER, I did not finish with Isaiah 29, Let us go back to the beginning! Isaiah 29 ¹Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices. ²Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel. ³And I will *camp against* thee round about, and will *lay siege* against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee. God is pronouncing Judgment against the city of Jerusalem. There were two sets of people of whom Judgment will come upon. Let read: *V.4* And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech* shall be low out of* the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust. Who are these people? Verse 5 tells us who they are: 5Moreover the multitude of *thy strangers* shall be like *small dust*, and the multitude of the *terrible ones* shall be as *chaff that passeth away*: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly. It is all about multitude of thy stranger and the multitude of the terrible ones. V 2 mentioned: “Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.” Thy stranger will be unto God as Ariel! The multitude of stranger shall be like small dust but the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away. Who are the terrible ones? It is the leader of the Jews’! How de know that? Isaiah29:10 mentioned: “For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath *closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers** hath he covered”.* Prophet Hood ended at that Junction! Isaiah 28 gives you in full details of who they are: It is mentioned in Isaiah.28:2 when the “Mighty Strong One” will come: “But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.” Isaiah.28:7-9 They are the multitude of the terrible ones against multitude of thy stranger! This is how they were described in Isaiah 28: 14 : “Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.” God Almighty is talking about “scornful men,” that “rule the people” which in Jerusalem: The leaders who rule Jerusalem and not the Jews, he describe them as “scornful men” and this would be at the advent of Muhammad (S). And the “word of the Lord” describes them Isaiah.28:15 “Because ye (scornful men that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell* are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we* (scornful men) made LIES* our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves.”* They made a covenant with death, and hell when the Mighty Strong One [Muhammad (S)] will come. So, both prophesy tied into each other, Isaiah 28 and 29! Those judgments that mentioned in Isaiah 28:2-5 will occur at the beginning of the end of the prophet Hood of the Jews’ until the siege of the multitude of stranger, which is now; they terrible ones will be as “chaff that passeth away.” (Isaiah 29:5) Now, God Almighty gives the reason why has ended the Prophet Hood with the Jews: Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have remove their heart far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men. (Isaiah.29:13) Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a *marvelous work* among this people, even a *marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish*, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. (Isaiah29:14) Woe unto them (the leader of the Jews’) that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their work are in darkness, and they say, who Seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things up-side down shall be esteemed as the putter’s clay… (Isaiah29:15-16) Isaiah.28:15 “Because ye (scornful men that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.) have said, We have made a covenant with death, and hell* are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we* (scornful men) made LIES* our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves.”* Jesus (S) told them in: Matt.21:43 “Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our *eyes.* (Matt.21:42) *And in that day* (when the book is reveled to the unlettered Prophet) shall the deaf hear* the* *word of the book, and the* *eyes* of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and they among men shall rejoice in the Holy one of Israel. (Isaiah.29:18-19) Compare closing of the eyes of the Jews Isaiah29:10 “For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath *closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers** hath he covered”.* *tnc* Isa 29:1 Jerusalem, city of David, the place of my altar, you are in for trouble! Celebrate your festivals year after year. Isa 29:2 I will still make you suffer, and your people will cry when I make an altar of you. Isa 29:3 I will surround you and prepare to attack from all sides. Isa 29:4 From deep in the earth, you will call out for help with only a faint whisper. Isa 29:5 Then your cruel enemies will suddenly be swept away like dust in a windstorm. Isa 29:6 I, the LORD All-Powerful, will come to your rescue with a thundering earthquake and a fiery whirlwind. Isa 29:7 Every brutal nation that attacks Jerusalem and makes it suffer will disappear like a dream when night is over. Isa 29:8 Those nations that attack Mount Zion will suffer from hunger and thirst. They will dream of food and drink but wake up weary and hungry and thirsty as ever. Isa 29:9 Be shocked and stunned, you prophets! Refuse to see. Get drunk and stagger, but not from wine. Isa 29:10 The LORD has made you drowsy; he put you into a deep sleep and covered your head. Isa 29:11 Now his message is like a sealed letter to you. Some of you say, "We can't read it, because it's sealed." I dont know where you got your info from because your info where ever you got must have cause him or you you that tried to puzzle and shuffle it to suite Muhammads cofiguration as mighty strong one one hell of a big headache You are sure that you mensioned Isa 29 from verse 1 please give me the source of your info. Edited by JOUBERAR - 14 May 2009 at 2:06am
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