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Quote owen.grandison Replybullet Topic: Was muhammad's first teacher a christian?
    Posted: 06 March 2009 at 3:22pm
Yes, according to orthodox sunni muslims own writings, waraqa bin naufal (527-639) was a christian. 

"Then she rose and gathered her garments about her and set forth to her cousin waraqa... who had become a christian and read the scriptures and learned from those that follow the torah and the gospel".

Waraqa attached himself to christianity and studied its scriptures until he had thoroughly mastered them".

(The life of muhammad.  A. guillaume.  Oxford university press. 1980 A.D. pages 83, 99).
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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 07 March 2009 at 6:35pm
Hello Owen.grandison,
 
I see many threads of yours. Guess, you are studying Islam. Thanks for sharing and questioning as well.
 
Though, this thread, does n't have any question, but would like to comment, so that it may help you to add up your knowledge.
 
Your first line which says acc to sunni writings. Let me tell you, that all muslims irrespective of any group, we belong to,  believe that he was a christian. Before Muhammad {peace be upon him} was bestowed with Prophethood, i.e in the age of Ignorance, one of the religions existed were christianity. There were very few amongst the people of scripture { Christians and Jews } who truly followed there religions. Anyways, but to say he was a teacher of Prophet, we don't believe such. Waraqa bin Naufal, was a true christian, since he recognised, Muhammad as a prophet, as prophesised by the Gospels. Therefore it's no wonder, after when Prophet Muhammad was first visited by Arch Angel Gibreel (Gabriel) peace be upon him, and brought him the first five verses of the Holy Qur'an and declared him as the Prophet of Allah, his Noble wife, Khadija took him to her cousin 'Waraqa Bin Noufal' who knew the Scriptures of Jews and Christians (who is stated to have translated them into Arabic).   When Khadija visited him after this first revelation of God's Message (about 610 A.D) and informed him about this great incidence, Waraqa bin Noufal cried out :"Holy! Holy! This is the Namus (The Holy Spirit) who came to Moses. He will be the Prophet of his people.  Tell him this and bid him be brave of heart."  Some time later, when he met the Holy Prophet he again confirmed the truth declared by Torah and Gospel : "I swear by Him (Means Allah) is whose hand Waraqa's life is, Allah has chosen you to be the Prophet of this people.  They will call you a liar, they will persecute you, they will banish you, they will fight against you.  Oh, that I could live to those days. I would fight for these." As he was very old, he died soon. We consider him the first person to accept Muhammad [peace be upon him] as a prophet.

 
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Quote owen.grandison Replybullet Posted: 08 March 2009 at 3:16am
Waraqa bin naufal also taught muhammad the torah and gospel.  So, shouldn't the orthodox sunni muslims follow this sunna and be taught by christian teachers and study the torah and gospel instead of saying they are tampered with?

It was khadiyjah and waraqah who MADE MUHAMMAD A PROPHET just like people turned noble drew ali, marcus garvey, martin luther king jr., malcolm x, etc. into prophets.  These leaders weren't divinely inspired.  They were motivated by their followers, nor was muhammad divinely inspired.  Muhammad was a prophet of revelation, not prophecy.  He did not tell of future events.  He merely gave revelation.  Khadiyjah and waraqa worked on his EGO and built him up more and more on untruths.  However, it tells you in the qur'aan, that allah is the planneer of planners (qur'aan 3:54).  Allah stepped in and gave revelations to muhaamad.  You can see this same thing happening with the forerunners of islam in the west, like marcus garvey, noble drew ali, and elijah muhammad because no one before them or during their time was able to uplift nuwaubian moors the way they did.  They took nuwaubian moors off the streets, out of bars, off drugs and out of jails and made them respect themselves and their nation, so others will respect them.  Who else can you say was able to accomplish something like this back then?  Now that nuwaubians are in need of some type of real leadership, you'll find sunni muslim organizations with many negro imaams in their congregation, who are being used to destroy nuwaubian leadership.  These people are being bribed with money into converting so that they can go out spreading lies and slandering for the organizations coming out of saudi arabia.  Whether they know it or not they are helping to spread this new islam.

Before the conspiracy, muhammad was actually following the laws (or torah) of abraham (qur'aan 2:130).  He also dressed in the attire prescribed for t he hebrews: the qamiys, ephod and breastplate (exodus 28:4) and the jallaabiyyah.  However the sunni muslims no longer wear this  garb of t he righteous.  They prefer to dress in business suites, smoke, drink liquor, and chase women.  Other traditions have also changed over, such as women choosing their husbands, whereas in the past young women were bethrothed through their families, which is what KHADIYJAH DID, when she chose muhaamad as her husband.  You may ask: how could it be possible for islam to be a made up religion, conspired by khadiyjah -meaning "the great one?" think about it.  How could a rich business woman with a prominent family in mecca and two previous husbands choose, and marry a poor and uneducated man 15 YEARS YOUNGER THAN HERSELF, SUCH AS MUHAMMAD?  Please don't say it was love!  No she did not need him for financial support.  It was a conspiracy!  Just look at the distance between their marriage, and his call to prophethood - a total of 15 years!  Do you think she actually suported him all that time with "no strings attached?"  I DON'T THINK SO.  THIS IS ONE BIG MESS KHADIYJAH, WARAQAH AND THE VATICAN, ST. AUGUSTINE, ETC.  created and it must be cleaned up with right knowledge, right wisdom and right overstanding, because the sunni orthodox muslim world turned the old religion of peace into a new form of idol worship.  Although, they claim to follow the qur'aan and the laws revealed, they don't.
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Quote owen.grandison Replybullet Posted: 08 March 2009 at 3:21am
Peace and blessings i've sent a reply but i didn't click on the reply button at first so i thought i would click on it now to let you know i've put a response to your thoughts.  Thanks.
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Quote savant Replybullet Posted: 08 March 2009 at 10:21am

Not only this; even also many signs prophet muhammad(Sallho-alihe Wassalam) and his Sahaba(companions) were to given chiristians; so that they can recognize last prophet and embrace Islam. And many saints of that time did so. And Quran also mention this point:

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The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel.

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Quote savant Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2009 at 3:16am
Once Hazrat Umer (Prophet Sallho-alihe Wassalam companion) was reading old testimonials at the moment Prophet came. And he teaches Umer that in existance Quran all past books are obselete now. All the orders and guidelines are cancelled.
 
So it will be useless effort by christian teachers to taught gospel to Muslims.


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Quote owen.grandison Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2009 at 3:41am
Originally posted by savant

Not only this; even also many signs prophet muhammad(Sallho-alihe Wassalam) and his Sahaba(companions) were to given chiristians; so that they can recognize last prophet and embrace Islam. And many saints of that time did so. And Quran also mention this point:

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The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel.



Only christians were telling muhammad's family that he was going to be special.  Everybody who had came into contact with muhammad's father around the same time of his betrothal engagement were roman catholic arabs.  Abdullah was approached by a woman, named qutayla, who was the sister of waraqa bin naufal, a christian, and the holder of the arabic bible, on his way to the ka'aba.  Qutayla knew that abdullah was going to be the father of muhammad and she informed him of this.  You see the plan was already in the works by the vatican.  Qutayla had consulted some soothsayers, and they agreed that abdullah wa going to be the father of this appointed prophet.  Qutayla's intentions were to offer herself to him, so that she might have the honour of being the mother of their prophet.  So qutayla (a christian and cousin to muhammad's first wife, khadiyjah) asked Abdullah to marry her, as she wanted to be the mother of his son.  As legend says, abdullah looked at her, a light radiated from his forehead abdullah promised to claim her after three days.

Within those three days abdullah consumated his mariage to amiynah.  Then he returned to qutayla.  However, the light that had supposedly illuminated his forehead was no longer there it transpired that abdullah had already married amiynah from medina.  Qutayla refused to be united with abdullah because the light she desperately wanted to possess had already been transmitted to amiynah.  She was quoted to have said, "No!  When you passed me there was a light between your eyes and when i invited you, you refused me and went to amiynah, and she has taken it away."  She was mad, but that was only one small piece to the jig-saw puzzle.

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Quote seekshidayath Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2009 at 5:52am

Originally posted by owen.grandison

Waraqa bin naufal also taught muhammad the torah and gospel.  So, shouldn't the orthodox sunni muslims follow this sunna and be taught by christian teachers and study the torah and gospel instead of saying they are tampered with?

Thanks for the response. But nowhere did i say that Waraqa bin Naufal TAUGHT Muhammad {Pbuh}, Torah and Gospel ! So its not a sunnah Smile. Nor does any of your copy-paste from other sites, tell us that Prophet Muhammad, learnt anything from Waraqah bin Naufal. Where is the proof that he taught ?

It was khadiyjah and waraqah who MADE MUHAMMAD A PROPHET just like people turned noble drew ali, marcus garvey, martin luther king jr., malcolm x, etc. into prophets.  These leaders weren't divinely inspired.  They were motivated by their followers, nor was muhammad divinely inspired.  Muhammad was a prophet of revelation, not prophecy.  He did not tell of future events.  He merely gave revelation.  Khadiyjah and waraqa worked on his EGO and built him up more and more on untruths.  However, it tells you in the qur'aan, that allah is the planneer of planners (qur'aan 3:54).  Allah stepped in and gave revelations to muhaamad.  You can see this same thing happening with the forerunners of islam in the west, like marcus garvey, noble drew ali, and elijah muhammad because no one before them or during their time was able to uplift nuwaubian moors the way they did.  They took nuwaubian moors off the streets, out of bars, off drugs and out of jails and made them respect themselves and their nation, so others will respect them.  Who else can you say was able to accomplish something like this back then?  Now that nuwaubians are in need of some type of real leadership, you'll find sunni muslim organizations with many negro imaams in their congregation, who are being used to destroy nuwaubian leadership.  These people are being bribed with money into converting so that they can go out spreading lies and slandering for the organizations coming out of saudi arabia.  Whether they know it or not they are helping to spread this new islam.

Before the conspiracy, muhammad was actually following the laws (or torah) of abraham (qur'aan 2:130).  He also dressed in the attire prescribed for t he hebrews: the qamiys, ephod and breastplate (exodus 28:4) and the jallaabiyyah.  However the sunni muslims no longer wear this  garb of t he righteous.  They prefer to dress in business suites, smoke, drink liquor, and chase women.  Other traditions have also changed over, such as women choosing their husbands, whereas in the past young women were bethrothed through their families, which is what KHADIYJAH DID, when she chose muhaamad as her husband.  You may ask: how could it be possible for islam to be a made up religion, conspired by khadiyjah -meaning "the great one?" think about it.  How could a rich business woman with a prominent family in mecca and two previous husbands choose, and marry a poor and uneducated man 15 YEARS YOUNGER THAN HERSELF, SUCH AS MUHAMMAD?  Please don't say it was love!  No she did not need him for financial support.  It was a conspiracy!  Just look at the distance between their marriage, and his call to prophethood - a total of 15 years!  Do you think she actually suported him all that time with "no strings attached?"  I DON'T THINK SO.  THIS IS ONE BIG MESS KHADIYJAH, WARAQAH AND THE VATICAN, ST. AUGUSTINE, ETC.  created and it must be cleaned up with right knowledge, right wisdom and right overstanding, because the sunni orthodox muslim world turned the old religion of peace into a new form of idol worship.  Although, they claim to follow the qur'aan and the laws revealed, they don't.

I wish you to ask those questions which arise while studying Islam. Not those from anti-Islamic sites, or those from christian missionaries. I guessed right, while looking at this thread, as its most common question from missionaries.Kindly don't share the rubbish from such sites here. Else i may report you to the mods. {He seems brother of "believer" here}
 


Edited by seekshidayath - 09 March 2009 at 6:04am
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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