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Chrysalis

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Posted: 12 March 2009 at 7:29am

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

Because this is a false statement. Christians are in fact the ones who have reversed the attributes of God and man, making the man Jesus into a God, and making the One and Only God into part of a triune equal with a man.

Interesting! I never thought of it that way. . . . so true.

God can nauzubillah have a son, die on the cross in Jesus's form etc (Human attributes)

While a man, can nauzubillah be God, and worthy of worship (Divine attributes)

"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

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Posted: 12 March 2009 at 10:27am

Apollo,

you have written some quotes in response to Mansoor's reply to you. Those quotes needs some attention from you to be understood. Upon reading and comprehending them one can simply seperate the status of Jesus and that of God. One a man and a prophet worshipping and serving His maker, God.

And that is the correction Islam brings to you after mankind making a msitake. Let me write those quotes, and let us pay them attention because they are clearly oppose to those which portray Jesus as God vs these that show Jesus as one who has a God and himself a prophet, a man.

Mat 21:10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?

Mat 21:11 And the crowd said, This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth of Galilee.

Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 12 March 2009 at 10:28am

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 12 March 2009 at 3:41pm

Why are Muslims so intent on saying the Quran is lying about the Gospel? LOL!! Mohammad is turning over in his grave.

Do you understand eyewitness accounts? Are these intended to be listed in chronological order? Are they mentioned by topic.

I am proud that the desciples had the gumption to keep the various accounts and not destroy, burn the ones that didn't quite jive exactly- why have the 4 if they did? LOL!!

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 7:38am

Originally posted by believer

Do you understand eyewitness accounts? Are these intended to be listed in chronological order? Are they mentioned by topic.

You quoted the Bible in English.

I heard Jesus spoke English.

Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 13 March 2009 at 7:38am

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Posted: 13 March 2009 at 6:47pm

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Why a corrupt Bible is a problem for Islam.

The Title should read, WHY A CORRUPT BIBLE IS A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIANITY. The facts that more and more Christians are dissatisfied of worshipping a powerless God who died on the cross. A Bible which is full of contradictions and traces of pornography and evil.

The version of the Bible that existed during Mohammed’s life is the same as we have today

However the Christians cannot produce this version as claimed above.

If God’s Word the Bible has been corrupted over time, the logical implication is that other revelations from God could also be corrupted. How do we know that the Quran has not also been corrupted the same way?

There is nothing in the Bible that says God is The Guardian - Al-Muhaimin, The Preserver = Al Hafiz - The All-Aware - Al-Khabir. And there are sentences in the Quran that Allah himself guaranteed that He Himself will guard this Holy Scripture. This aspects of guardianship of the Holy Scripture is not found in the Bible.

I quote from another website -

As for the claim that Allah did not preserve Divine Books (such as Torah, Gospel, etc.) or allowed them to be tainted and corrupted, this is not true. This is because Allah entrusted the People of the Book with the task of preserving and guarding their Books from any corruption but they disobeyed Him and failed to do so. This is stated in the Qur'an: "It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: FOR TO THEM WAS ENTRUSTED THE PROTECTION OF ALLAH'S BOOK, and they were witnesses thereto..." (Al-Ma'idah: 44)

That is why Allah took upon Himself to guard the Qur’an. Almighty Allah says, “Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder (Qur’an), and lo! We verily are its Guardian.” (Al-Hijr: 9)"

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503546346&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

I will make this short, and I will say that the Bible is corrupted because the Christians could not produce the authentic one that was written at the times of Jesus. (a Very big headache for the Christians indeed!) If the God that the Christians believe is Powerful, it will not be impossible for this God to preserve the holy scripture.

If you got something to say about corruption and pornography then you must do beter research then reading some accusation made about blaspheme of the holy God that you also helping and assisting the satan by degrading the Holy God how can you make such state ments that God died on the cross It was his son that died on that cross for you that blasphemies against him and the day when you die then you will see the facts and then you want to apoligize to him.You must get your facts together before you want judge the one and only Holy GOD.

Tell me show me any simularities between the bible and the quran why is there so much deviation o o dont forgot about the so called "prophecies" about muhammad in the bible they are also "corrupt".

It was We who revealed the law ( Who is the "we" and what law did he revealed to Moses.)

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Posted: 14 March 2009 at 8:03am

Originally posted by honeto

Apollo,

Mat 21:10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?

Mat 21:11 And the crowd said, This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth of Galilee.

Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God

Hasan

Hasan,

I do not understand what you want clarified. The best I can do is guess that you are still trying to read the events as if everyone is a chronological event that happens immediately after the preceding statement. There is no reason to assume this - especially in the context of this writer's style. If you are inquiring about something else, please clarify.

What about the original topic here? Do you have an explanation for point 3 or are you going to just keep saying the Bible is corrupt?

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Posted: 14 March 2009 at 11:15am

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Why a corrupt Bible is a problem for Islam.

The version of the Bible that existed during Mohammed’s life is the same as we have today

However the Christians cannot produce this version as claimed above.

I quote from another website -

That is why Allah took upon Himself to guard the Qur’an. Almighty Allah says, “Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder (Qur’an), and lo! We verily are its Guardian.” (Al-Hijr: 9)"

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503546346&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

What choice will you make a authentic false religion or corrupted true religion then satanism must have been also corrupted through the ages then the satanists must also produce there authentic scriptures why dont you attack them also.

So then according to your statements all history books must have also been corrupted true or false then the history that was recorded is not authentic.

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Posted: 15 March 2009 at 12:40am

Originally posted by JOUBERAR

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Why a corrupt Bible is a problem for Islam.

The version of the Bible that existed during Mohammed’s life is the same as we have today

However the Christians cannot produce this version as claimed above.

I quote from another website -

That is why Allah took upon Himself to guard the Qur’an. Almighty Allah says, “Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder (Qur’an), and lo! We verily are its Guardian.” (Al-Hijr: 9)"

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503546346&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

So then according to your statements all history books must have also been corrupted true or false then the history that was recorded is not authentic.

The choice should be authentic true religion.

Salam/Peace,
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Chrysalis Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031	Posted: 12 March 2009 at 7:29am
	*Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt* Because this is a false statement. Christians are in fact the ones who have reversed the attributes of God and man, making the man Jesus into a God, and making the One and Only God into part of a triune equal with a man. Interesting! I never thought of it that way. . . . so true. God can nauzubillah have a son, die on the cross in Jesus's form etc (Human attributes) While a man, can nauzubillah be God, and worthy of worship (Divine attributes)
	"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 12 March 2009 at 10:27am
	Apollo, you have written some quotes in response to Mansoor's reply to you. Those quotes needs some attention from you to be understood. Upon reading and comprehending them one can simply seperate the status of Jesus and that of God. One a man and a prophet worshipping and serving His maker, God. And that is the correction Islam brings to you after mankind making a msitake. Let me write those quotes, and let us pay them attention because they are clearly oppose to those which portray Jesus as God vs these that show Jesus as one who has a God and himself a prophet, a man. Mat 21:10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this? Mat 21:11 And the crowd said, This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth of Galilee. Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God Hasan Edited by honeto - 12 March 2009 at 10:28am
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 12 March 2009 at 3:41pm
	Why are Muslims so intent on saying the Quran is lying about the Gospel? LOL!! Mohammad is turning over in his grave. Do you understand eyewitness accounts? Are these intended to be listed in chronological order? Are they mentioned by topic. I am proud that the desciples had the gumption to keep the various accounts and not destroy, burn the ones that didn't quite jive exactly- why have the 4 if they did? LOL!!
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Nur_Ilahi Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031	Posted: 13 March 2009 at 7:38am
	*Originally posted by believer* Do you understand eyewitness accounts? Are these intended to be listed in chronological order? Are they mentioned by topic. You quoted the Bible in English. I heard Jesus spoke English. Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 13 March 2009 at 7:38am
	Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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JOUBERAR Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 573	Posted: 13 March 2009 at 6:47pm
	*Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi* Why a corrupt Bible is a problem for Islam. The Title should read, WHY A CORRUPT BIBLE IS A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIANITY. The facts that more and more Christians are dissatisfied of worshipping a powerless God who died on the cross. A Bible which is full of contradictions and traces of pornography and evil. The version of the Bible that existed during Mohammed’s life is the same as we have today However the Christians cannot produce this version as claimed above. If God’s Word the Bible has been corrupted over time, the logical implication is that other revelations from God could also be corrupted. How do we know that the Quran has not also been corrupted the same way? There is nothing in the Bible that says God is The Guardian - Al-Muhaimin, The Preserver = Al Hafiz - The All-Aware - Al-Khabir. And there are sentences in the Quran that Allah himself guaranteed that He Himself will guard this Holy Scripture. This aspects of guardianship of the Holy Scripture is not found in the Bible. I quote from another website - As for the claim that Allah did not preserve Divine Books (such as Torah, Gospel, etc.) or allowed them to be tainted and corrupted, this is not true. This is because Allah entrusted the People of the Book with the task of preserving and guarding their Books from any corruption but they disobeyed Him and failed to do so. This is stated in the Qur'an: "It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: FOR TO THEM WAS ENTRUSTED THE PROTECTION OF ALLAH'S BOOK, and they were witnesses thereto..." (Al-Ma'idah: 44) That is why Allah took upon Himself to guard the Qur’an. Almighty Allah says, “Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder (Qur’an), and lo! We verily are its Guardian.” (Al-Hijr: 9)" http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503546346&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar I will make this short, and I will say that the Bible is corrupted because the Christians could not produce the authentic one that was written at the times of Jesus. (a Very big headache for the Christians indeed!) If the God that the Christians believe is Powerful, it will not be impossible for this God to preserve the holy scripture. If you got something to say about corruption and pornography then you must do beter research then reading some accusation made about blaspheme of the holy God that you also helping and assisting the satan by degrading the Holy God how can you make such state ments that God died on the cross It was his son that died on that cross for you that blasphemies against him and the day when you die then you will see the facts and then you want to apoligize to him.You must get your facts together before you want judge the one and only Holy GOD. Tell me show me any simularities between the bible and the quran why is there so much deviation o o dont forgot about the so called "prophecies" about muhammad in the bible they are also "corrupt". It was We who revealed the law ( Who is the "we" and what law did he revealed to Moses.)
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Apollos Senior Member Joined: 29 January 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 426	Posted: 14 March 2009 at 8:03am
	*Originally posted by honeto* Apollo, you have written some quotes in response to Mansoor's reply to you. Those quotes needs some attention from you to be understood. Upon reading and comprehending them one can simply seperate the status of Jesus and that of God. One a man and a prophet worshipping and serving His maker, God. And that is the correction Islam brings to you after mankind making a msitake. Let me write those quotes, and let us pay them attention because they are clearly oppose to those which portray Jesus as God vs these that show Jesus as one who has a God and himself a prophet, a man. Mat 21:10 And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this? Mat 21:11 And the crowd said, This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth of Galilee. Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God Hasan Hasan, I do not understand what you want clarified. The best I can do is guess that you are still trying to read the events as if everyone is a chronological event that happens immediately after the preceding statement. There is no reason to assume this - especially in the context of this writer's style. If you are inquiring about something else, please clarify. What about the original topic here? Do you have an explanation for point 3 or are you going to just keep saying the Bible is corrupt? Apollos
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JOUBERAR Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 573	Posted: 14 March 2009 at 11:15am
	*Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi* Why a corrupt Bible is a problem for Islam. The Title should read, WHY A CORRUPT BIBLE IS A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIANITY. The facts that more and more Christians are dissatisfied of worshipping a powerless God who died on the cross. A Bible which is full of contradictions and traces of pornography and evil. The version of the Bible that existed during Mohammed’s life is the same as we have today However the Christians cannot produce this version as claimed above. If God’s Word the Bible has been corrupted over time, the logical implication is that other revelations from God could also be corrupted. How do we know that the Quran has not also been corrupted the same way? There is nothing in the Bible that says God is The Guardian - Al-Muhaimin, The Preserver = Al Hafiz - The All-Aware - Al-Khabir. And there are sentences in the Quran that Allah himself guaranteed that He Himself will guard this Holy Scripture. This aspects of guardianship of the Holy Scripture is not found in the Bible. I quote from another website - As for the claim that Allah did not preserve Divine Books (such as Torah, Gospel, etc.) or allowed them to be tainted and corrupted, this is not true. This is because Allah entrusted the People of the Book with the task of preserving and guarding their Books from any corruption but they disobeyed Him and failed to do so. This is stated in the Qur'an: "It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: FOR TO THEM WAS ENTRUSTED THE PROTECTION OF ALLAH'S BOOK, and they were witnesses thereto..." (Al-Ma'idah: 44) That is why Allah took upon Himself to guard the Qur’an. Almighty Allah says, “Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder (Qur’an), and lo! We verily are its Guardian.” (Al-Hijr: 9)" http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503546346&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar I will make this short, and I will say that the Bible is corrupted because the Christians could not produce the authentic one that was written at the times of Jesus. (a Very big headache for the Christians indeed!) If the God that the Christians believe is Powerful, it will not be impossible for this God to preserve the holy scripture. What choice will you make a authentic false religion or corrupted true religion then satanism must have been also corrupted through the ages then the satanists must also produce there authentic scriptures why dont you attack them also. So then according to your statements all history books must have also been corrupted true or false then the history that was recorded is not authentic.
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semar Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 11 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1234	Posted: 15 March 2009 at 12:40am
	*Originally posted by JOUBERAR* *Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi* Why a corrupt Bible is a problem for Islam. The Title should read, WHY A CORRUPT BIBLE IS A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIANITY. The facts that more and more Christians are dissatisfied of worshipping a powerless God who died on the cross. A Bible which is full of contradictions and traces of pornography and evil. The version of the Bible that existed during Mohammed’s life is the same as we have today However the Christians cannot produce this version as claimed above. If God’s Word the Bible has been corrupted over time, the logical implication is that other revelations from God could also be corrupted. How do we know that the Quran has not also been corrupted the same way? There is nothing in the Bible that says God is The Guardian - Al-Muhaimin, The Preserver = Al Hafiz - The All-Aware - Al-Khabir. And there are sentences in the Quran that Allah himself guaranteed that He Himself will guard this Holy Scripture. This aspects of guardianship of the Holy Scripture is not found in the Bible. I quote from another website - As for the claim that Allah did not preserve Divine Books (such as Torah, Gospel, etc.) or allowed them to be tainted and corrupted, this is not true. This is because Allah entrusted the People of the Book with the task of preserving and guarding their Books from any corruption but they disobeyed Him and failed to do so. This is stated in the Qur'an: "It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: FOR TO THEM WAS ENTRUSTED THE PROTECTION OF ALLAH'S BOOK, and they were witnesses thereto..." (Al-Ma'idah: 44) That is why Allah took upon Himself to guard the Qur’an. Almighty Allah says, “Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder (Qur’an), and lo! We verily are its Guardian.” (Al-Hijr: 9)" http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503546346&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar I will make this short, and I will say that the Bible is corrupted because the Christians could not produce the authentic one that was written at the times of Jesus. (a Very big headache for the Christians indeed!) If the God that the Christians believe is Powerful, it will not be impossible for this God to preserve the holy scripture. What choice will you make a authentic false religion or corrupted true religion then satanism must have been also corrupted through the ages then the satanists must also produce there authentic scriptures why dont you attack them also. So then according to your statements all history books must have also been corrupted true or false then the history that was recorded is not authentic. The choice should be authentic true religion.
	Salam/Peace, Semar The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full" "1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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