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Quote abosait Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2009 at 4:25am
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By just reading translations of hadith and quran and then quoting it for his fatwas; we need to fear from this.
I have quoted both Arabic text and the translation for you.
 
«الْكِبْرُ بَطَرُ الْحَقِّ وَغَمْصُ النَّاس»

(Arrogance is refusing the truth and belittling people.)

Originally posted by savant

Any doctor can read mechnical engineering book and can become engineer Ermm, i dont think so.
Whether Doctor or Lawyer, he should read the Instruction Manual - understand the do's and don'ts - follow the prescribed safety precautions before operating his Mechanical/Electrical/Electronic gadget.
 
Otherwise, - you know the consequences.
 
Well, if he thinks that the manufacturer has given him the manual to be preserved in an elevated place from where no one can take and read, I leave him to his fate.
 
The same is the case with this complicated structure of the human being. Qur'an and Hadith is the manual for using this complicated structure for best results.
 


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Quote abosait Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2010 at 11:00am
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Originally posted by abosait

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah.
 
WAalaikum salam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
 
Just one question this time, Do you deny that Imam Al-Ghazali and Abdul Qadir Jailani was a Sufi?
 
When did I deny?
 
Imam Al-Ghazali contributed significantly to the development of a systematic view of Sufism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghazali 

Abdul Qadir Jilani abandoned the city of Baghdad, after completion of education, and spent twenty-five years as a wanderer in the desert regions of Iraq as a recluse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul-Qadir_Gilani

Do such wanderings have any relation with the basic teachings of Islam? Does the Qur'an or Hadith approve of such ascetic life?


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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:50pm
Bismillah
Assalamualiakum wa rahamtullah wa barkatuhu,
Dear Nur-ilahi,
You started this thread in a particular mood, but ihnvariably it has gone to a certain derailment, which is the fate of such topics on a public discussion forum.
The 'desire' to change someone from being an anti-sufi into a man of purification of heart is alsoa  'desire' of the nafs ... which one must controle and tame.
Please excuse me, I did not go past reading two pages on this string ... but have seen some quotes from Futuh al-Ghaib. Since you seem to read and follow literature of this level, if you have access, please try to read Fath ar-Rabbani by the same author. The discourses in this collection are on deeper level. They mostly point on ones focus on his/her own purification, and not bothering about others who have not yet understood the meaning of self purification.
 
Discussions on the validity of tassawuf don't help anybody ... at least not in my experience. 
Your most important responsibility is towards your own soul, your own preparation for the day when no soul will be able to benefit other.
 
Im yet to see discussions on tassawwuf that benefits beginners amoung people of Ihsan.  If you can have one and keep it on that high road it will definitely be purposeful.
 
nausheen
Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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Quote abosait Replybullet Posted: 05 May 2010 at 9:24am
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.......... Since you seem to read and follow literature of this level, if you have access, please try to read Fath ar-Rabbani by the same author. .... 
..nausheen
 
If you understand your responsibility towards your own soul, your own preparation for "the day when no soul will be able to benefit other" is in the Qur'an and the Sunnah and not in Sufi lterature.
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Quote SteppeNomad Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2010 at 4:12pm
The self scholar above has spoken, of course, if you have a Bukhari and Muslim hadith book at home, you are an Aliim, who needs to study Islam for Years on end when we got Abosait around?
 
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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2010 at 9:27pm
Do these alims use a translated Quran?
 
Just wondering, because a translation is never the same as the original arabic text ...  do their preaching twist and tweek thereWink
 
 
 


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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
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Quote Nur_Ilahi Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2010 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by Nausheen

Bismillah
Assalamualiakum wa rahamtullah wa barkatuhu,
Dear Nur-ilahi,
You started this thread in a particular mood, but ihnvariably it has gone to a certain derailment, which is the fate of such topics on a public discussion forum.
The 'desire' to change someone from being an anti-sufi into a man of purification of heart is alsoa  'desire' of the nafs ... which one must controle and tame.
Please excuse me, I did not go past reading two pages on this string ... but have seen some quotes from Futuh al-Ghaib. Since you seem to read and follow literature of this level, if you have access, please try to read Fath ar-Rabbani by the same author. The discourses in this collection are on deeper level. They mostly point on ones focus on his/her own purification, and not bothering about others who have not yet understood the meaning of self purification.
 
Discussions on the validity of tassawuf don't help anybody ... at least not in my experience. 
Your most important responsibility is towards your own soul, your own preparation for the day when no soul will be able to benefit other.
 
Im yet to see discussions on tassawwuf that benefits beginners amoung people of Ihsan.  If you can have one and keep it on that high road it will definitely be purposeful.
 
nausheen
 
Dear Nausheen,
 
I did not read your post until today when Abosait gave the link to this page.
 
Before I replied, I had already been thinking, am I doing the right thing? Am I trying to assist another brother in acknowledging the existence and beauty of Ihsan where one can find the secrets of our existence? 
 
Or Am I following my Nafs in proving myself right?
 
I think I follow your advice.
 
But it is such a pity, Allah had given ways and means to His servants to find the secrets in the creation of our existence, yet, some of His servants refuse to acknowledge.
 
Lahaulawala Quwwatailla billahil aliyil adzeem.
 
Salam alaikum.
 
Jazakallah
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Quote abosait Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2010 at 3:57am
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.......acknowledging the existence and beauty of Ihsan where one can find the secrets of our existence? .............
 
But it is such a pity, Allah had given ways and means to His servants to find the secrets in the creation of our existence, yet, some of His servants refuse to acknowledge.
 
There is no way to learn the rulings of Allaah, which have to do with His commands and prohibitions, except through His Messengers.
 
Whoever says that he has taken the ruling of Allaah from his heart or from what he received in his heart through intuition, and that he acts upon that and thus has no need of the Qur’aan or Sunnah, has claimed for himself the unique qualities of Prophethood.
 
Astagfirullah.
For Allaah has set up the system by His wisdom in such a way that His rulings can only be known through His Messengers who are ambassadors between Him and His creation. They are the only ones who convey His Message and His words from Him, explaining His laws and rulings, and He has chosen them for that purpose. 

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“Allaah chooses Messengers from angels and from men. Verily, Allaah is All-Hearer, All-Seer”..[al-Hajj 22:75] 

“Allaah knows best with whom to place His Message” [al-An’aam 6:124] 

“Mankind were one community and Allaah sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings” [al-Baqarah 2:213] 

and there are other similar aayahs. 

 
Read more at the following URL:
 
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/22245/secret%20knowledge%20in%20islam
 
 
 
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