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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 07 June 2009 at 8:23am
Mansoor_ali - you and the paper you reference forgot to mention the outside witness to the event:

Acts 9

10In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!"
      "Yes, Lord," he answered.

 11The Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight."

 13"Lord," Ananias answered, "I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your saints in Jerusalem. 14And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name."

 15But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name."

 17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

A contradiction would be that the event didn't happen, or someting completely different ocurred.  It is not a contradiction that a fuller understanding of what happened is evealed.
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Quote Nazarene Replybullet Posted: 09 June 2009 at 8:59pm
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   what are the names of the two witneses who were with paul? please tell us.
   if i were there and heard such a thing i'd follow paul every where and testify to the fact. they must not have been impressed.
    also this guy named Ananias. where is he ? you would think this man would follow paul to the ends of the earth after such a revelation{ such as simon magnus with phillip }. but yet when barnabas found paul both the so called witneses to paul vision and Ananias are nowhere to be found. unless this is the Ananias peter struck down.
      paul tells of how the high priest " told him what he must do in damascus". " opened his eyes " so to speak. at the time of paul there was a high priest named Ananias, { he had james stoned } so one could say this high priest placed his hands upon paul and he "saw" what he must do. a blessing so to speak. 
    paul went into arabia {where he was unknown} for some time and learned to be a "christain" .sitting in the croud he lisened to the gospel taught by Thomas, Matthis and others he learned to walk the walk and talk the talk.
     but doing this { act against jewdisum} without the blessing of the high priest would have condemed him. this is why paul says "for me everything is permisable but not benifical".
      paul gives himself away in many ways if you step back with an open mind to except the fact he may be a false prophet.
      i feel i should pray and meditate on this more and post a new topic on his exposure.
      remember what paul says in ROMANS 1: 18-19.
remember god is going to allow the world to be led astray in jesus' name.
also please note that paul NEVER REPENTS for his past actions {crimes} . unrepentent even for his part in the murder of stephen .
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Quote Mansoor_ali Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2009 at 10:49am

 
Mansoor_ali - you and the paper you reference forgot to mention the outside witness to the event:

Acts 9

10In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!"
      "Yes, Lord," he answered.

 11The Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight."

 13"Lord," Ananias answered, "I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your saints in Jerusalem. 14And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name."

 15But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name."

 17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

A contradiction would be that the event didn't happen, or someting completely different ocurred.  It is not a contradiction that a fuller understanding of what happened is evealed.

 Let us first analyze who is author of Book of Acts?

 Taken from Work of brother Osama Abdullah

 

The Book of Acts:

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 1643)"

So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?

After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?

 My Comment:So how can you convince me that book of Acts is word of God?How can you convince me who is author of that book?Whether he was inspired or not?

 Paul never even met Jesus Christ in person while the latter was on earth.  It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4.  Note: Paul's name used to be Saul.  Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).




 
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2009 at 4:19pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananias_of_Damascus

 

These are 2 different men.  Just as there were 2 Marys living at the time of Jesus there was more then one Ananias.   One Ananias was known as a Disciple of Jesus and the other an anti-christian Jewish High Priest.

 

We know that Paul was not considered a false prophet because he was a part of the Decree of the Council of Jerusalem that occurred around 50 AD.

 

Nazarene you are mistaken.  Paul was not converted in arabia but on the road to Damascus.

 

what are the names of the two witneses who were with paul? please tell us.

 

Poor arguments really for Mohammad had no one witnessing his revealations- just his word that it happened.

 

In Paul's case the witnesses were more then likely anti-christian or they would not have been traveling with Paul to attack the churches.  We have the separate witness of the Disciple of Jesus- Ananias.

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Quote Mansoor_ali Replybullet Posted: 12 June 2009 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by believer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananias_of_Damascus

 

These are 2 different men.  Just as there were 2 Marys living at the time of Jesus there was more then one Ananias.   One Ananias was known as a Disciple of Jesus and the other an anti-christian Jewish High Priest.

 

We know that Paul was not considered a false prophet because he was a part of the Decree of the Council of Jerusalem that occurred around 50 AD.



 Paul was a corrupter of message of Jesus Christ.


  Jeremy Bentham (English Philosopher)

"If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no farther than Paul." (Paraphrased. Looking for a copy of "Not Paul, but Jesus" in order to retrieve the exact quote.)


 Visit:


 Islamic Answers presents a 516-page refutation of the false apostle Paul:

http://islamic-answers.com/jesus__words_only

Some extra refutations as bonuses are included:

1: Pauline corruption of Biblical Analysis

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Pauline_Corruption_of_Biblical_Analysis.pdf

2: Jude's Epistle - More Evidence of rift between Jerusalem  and Paul

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Jude_s_Epistle__More_Evidence_of_Rift_Between_
Jerusalem_and_Paul__.pdf

3: Was Paul or James' Church the more successful evangelists ?

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Was_Paul_or_James__Church_the_more_succesfull_Evangelist.pdf

4: Jesus or Paul ? - Lecture by a former Christian Priest

http://islamic-answers.com/jesus_or_paul_____audio_lecture_

For more info check:

http://islamic-answers.com/christianity

 

Nazarene you are mistaken.  Paul was not converted in arabia but on the road to Damascus.

 

Originally posted by believer

what are the names of the two witneses who were with paul? please tell us.

 

Poor arguments really for Mohammad had no one witnessing his revealations- just his word that it happened.

 

In Paul's case the witnesses were more then likely anti-christian or they would not have been traveling with Paul to attack the churches.  We have the separate witness of the Disciple of Jesus- Ananias.



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 Brother Osama Abdullah response to Muhammad didnot have witnesses to prove that he was truthful
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Quote Akhe Abdullah Replybullet Posted: 19 June 2009 at 7:46am
Originally posted by Mansoor_ali


Originally posted by believer

" lang="EN"><o:p>We know that Paul was not considered a false prophet because he was a part of the Decree of the Council of Jerusalem that occurred around 50 AD.</o:p></span>
Paul is not concidered a Prophet at all in Islam.                                                 

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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> Paul was a corrupter of message of Jesus.True
                                                                                                                      
"If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no farther than Paul."
As Salamu Alaikum Mansoor Ali,Lol!

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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 22 June 2009 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by believer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananias_of_Damascus

 

These are 2 different men.  Just as there were 2 Marys living at the time of Jesus there was more then one Ananias.   One Ananias was known as a Disciple of Jesus and the other an anti-christian Jewish High Priest.

 

We know that Paul was not considered a false prophet because he was a part of the Decree of the Council of Jerusalem that occurred around 50 AD.

 

Nazarene you are mistaken.  Paul was not converted in arabia but on the road to Damascus.

 

what are the names of the two witneses who were with paul? please tell us.

 

Poor arguments really for Mohammad had no one witnessing his revealations- just his word that it happened.

 

In Paul's case the witnesses were more then likely anti-christian or they would not have been traveling with Paul to attack the churches.  We have the separate witness of the Disciple of Jesus- Ananias.

 
 
My friend you are the one who has poor argument.
The proof is in the pudding!
to know if its a true revelation from God or not, there is a simple test you need to do instead of childish arguments.
God is all knowing, right? and does not contradict, also God knows all.
Now, if we find something inconsistant in a book that is claimed to be from God there are two possibilites: either the claim is false or someone has played with it.
 
I have said it before, but seems like some of us have short memory:
What Christians claim as major teachings of their belief, in my observation, tend to contradict to their own source, the Bible.
 
Now, what we as a Muslim claim to be the major teachings of our belief in my obervation and study are 100% consistant to our source, the Quran.
Both claim, yet only one proves it ! So simple,
Hasan
39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote JOUBERAR Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2009 at 5:15pm
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Originally posted by believer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananias_of_Damascus

 

These are 2 different men.  Just as there were 2 Marys living at the time of Jesus there was more then one Ananias.   One Ananias was known as a Disciple of Jesus and the other an anti-christian Jewish High Priest.

 

We know that Paul was not considered a false prophet because he was a part of the Decree of the Council of Jerusalem that occurred around 50 AD.



 Paul was a corrupter of message of Jesus Christ.


  Jeremy Bentham (English Philosopher)

"If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no farther than Paul." (Paraphrased. Looking for a copy of "Not Paul, but Jesus" in order to retrieve the exact quote.)


 Visit:


 Islamic Answers presents a 516-page refutation of the false apostle Paul:

http://islamic-answers.com/jesus__words_only

Some extra refutations as bonuses are included:

1: Pauline corruption of Biblical Analysis

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Pauline_Corruption_of_Biblical_Analysis.pdf

2: Jude's Epistle - More Evidence of rift between Jerusalem  and Paul

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Jude_s_Epistle__More_Evidence_of_Rift_Between_
Jerusalem_and_Paul__.pdf

3: Was Paul or James' Church the more successful evangelists ?

http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Was_Paul_or_James__Church_the_more_succesfull_Evangelist.pdf

4: Jesus or Paul ? - Lecture by a former Christian Priest

http://islamic-answers.com/jesus_or_paul_____audio_lecture_

For more info check:

http://islamic-answers.com/christianity

 

Nazarene you are mistaken.  Paul was not converted in arabia but on the road to Damascus.

 

Originally posted by believer

what are the names of the two witneses who were with paul? please tell us.

 

Poor arguments really for Mohammad had no one witnessing his revealations- just his word that it happened.

 

In Paul's case the witnesses were more then likely anti-christian or they would not have been traveling with Paul to attack the churches.  We have the separate witness of the Disciple of Jesus- Ananias.



 Visit:

 Brother Osama Abdullah response to Muhammad didnot have witnesses to prove that he was truthful
 

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