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Posted: 11 July 2005 at 1:28pm

Great explanation from the zone...short and clear...

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Posted: 11 July 2005 at 6:52pm

Originally posted by Sophie_J

Asalaamu Alaykum

......... if you think this is jihad then Allah help you is all I can say

Sophie

W's Sophie,

I am so sorry this is happening there. The people that think this is Jihad or are not sorry the body count is not higher will have to answer to Allah, their mouths will tell what is in their hearts.

People often twist the words of God to fit what they think is correct. And you are right..........Allah help those that have gone against Him and what He says and what His rules are.

Again, this is a horrible thing and I am sorry this is happening to you all there..............

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Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:19am

Sophie,

I'm so sorry to hear of the losses and pain your friends have suffered in London...it is indeed unbelievable to think that devout Muslims have been murdered by who - devout Muslims? I don't think so...these murderers are Muslim and 'religious' in name only - don't you think. I think they are heinous, pagan murderers of innocent people. And in Iraq they're murdering innocent children. You cannot get lower than this, in this world.

Sophie you said:
"Another thing is the majority in the UK did not vote for Tony Blair in the last election but due to the flawed democracy here; they still got in;"
A flawed democracy is certainly better then no democracy at all - wouldn't you agree?

Bruce
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Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:41am

Bismillah

Originally posted by b95000

A flawed democracy is certainly better then no democracy at all - wouldn't you agree?

"A burst balloon is better than no balloon at all" would you also agree?

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Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:44am

So, does that mean a bad Muslim who bombs the subway is better then not having been a Muslim at all?

We can all make those generalizations MOCKBA........

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Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:48am

Originally posted by MOCKBA

Bismillah

Originally posted by b95000

A flawed democracy is certainly better then no democracy at all - wouldn't you agree?

"A burst balloon is better than no balloon at all" would you also agree?

What is the parallel/metaphor between a balloon and democracy?

Bruce
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Posted: 12 July 2005 at 1:33am

Bismillah

The parallel is not beween democracy and balloon... it is the uselesness that is a common point in these two statements.

Flawed democracy could be equally used to describe any government in the world... having anything ugly hidden in the shade of the flaw.

Government that is first and foremost obedient to God's commands is better... the rest is dirty and bloodstained politics.

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Posted: 12 July 2005 at 1:50am

Originally posted by MOCKBA

Bismillah

The parallel is not beween democracy and balloon... it is the uselesness that is a common point in these two statements.

B: I disagree that this parallel makes any sense - you are suggesting that a flawed democracy is totally useless like a burst balloon. That is ridiculous and you know it.

Flawed democracy could be equally used to describe any government in the world... having anything ugly hidden in the shade of the flaw.

B: OK, right, that is why we fight against corruption...please show me a state anywhere in the world democracy or no that doesn't battle corruption to various degrees...................

I'm simply saying the freedom of democracy allows there to be less corruption and absolute power. That that in a flawed form is better than totalitarianism in any form..you disagree with this? Maybe you can name specific non-democratic governments that you think are superior in RESULTS than democratic ones.

Bruce
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Suleyman Senior Member Joined: 10 March 2003 Location: Turkey Online Status: Offline Posts: 3324	Posted: 11 July 2005 at 1:28pm
	Great explanation from the zone...short and clear...
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Lameese Female Senior Member Joined: 08 April 2002 Online Status: Offline Posts: 307	Posted: 11 July 2005 at 6:52pm
	*Originally posted by Sophie_J* Asalaamu Alaykum ......... if you think this is jihad then Allah help you is all I can say Sophie W's Sophie, I am so sorry this is happening there. The people that think this is Jihad or are not sorry the body count is not higher will have to answer to Allah, their mouths will tell what is in their hearts. People often twist the words of God to fit what they think is correct. And you are right..........Allah help those that have gone against Him and what He says and what His rules are. Again, this is a horrible thing and I am sorry this is happening to you all there.............. Lameese
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b95000 Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1328	Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:19am
	Sophie, I'm so sorry to hear of the losses and pain your friends have suffered in London...it is indeed unbelievable to think that devout Muslims have been murdered by who - devout Muslims? I don't think so...these murderers are Muslim and 'religious' in name only - don't you think. I think they are heinous, pagan murderers of innocent people. And in Iraq they're murdering innocent children. You cannot get lower than this, in this world. Sophie you said: "Another thing is the majority in the UK did not vote for Tony Blair in the last election but due to the flawed democracy here; they still got in;" A flawed democracy is certainly better then no democracy at all - wouldn't you agree?
	Bruce Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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MOCKBA Moderator Group Joined: 27 September 2000 Location: Malaysia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1410	Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:41am
	Bismillah *Originally posted by b95000* A flawed democracy is certainly better then no democracy at all - wouldn't you agree? "A burst balloon is better than no balloon at all" would you also agree? Edited by MOCKBA
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Lameese Female Senior Member Joined: 08 April 2002 Online Status: Offline Posts: 307	Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:44am
	So, does that mean a bad Muslim who bombs the subway is better then not having been a Muslim at all? We can all make those generalizations MOCKBA........ Lameese Lameese
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b95000 Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1328	Posted: 12 July 2005 at 12:48am
	*Originally posted by MOCKBA* Bismillah *Originally posted by b95000* A flawed democracy is certainly better then no democracy at all - wouldn't you agree? "A burst balloon is better than no balloon at all" would you also agree? What is the parallel/metaphor between a balloon and democracy?
	Bruce Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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MOCKBA Moderator Group Joined: 27 September 2000 Location: Malaysia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1410	Posted: 12 July 2005 at 1:33am
	Bismillah The parallel is not beween democracy and balloon... it is the uselesness that is a common point in these two statements. Flawed democracy could be equally used to describe any government in the world... having anything ugly hidden in the shade of the flaw. Government that is first and foremost obedient to God's commands is better... the rest is dirty and bloodstained politics.
	MOCKBA
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b95000 Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1328	Posted: 12 July 2005 at 1:50am
	*Originally posted by MOCKBA* Bismillah The parallel is not beween democracy and balloon... it is the uselesness that is a common point in these two statements. B: I disagree that this parallel makes any sense - you are suggesting that a flawed democracy is totally useless like a burst balloon. That is ridiculous and you know it. Flawed democracy could be equally used to describe any government in the world... having anything ugly hidden in the shade of the flaw. B: OK, right, that is why we fight against corruption...please show me a state anywhere in the world democracy or no that doesn't battle corruption to various degrees................... I'm simply saying the freedom of democracy allows there to be less corruption and absolute power. That that in a flawed form is better than totalitarianism in any form..you disagree with this? Maybe you can name specific non-democratic governments that you think are superior in RESULTS than democratic ones.
	Bruce Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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